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Originally posted by Diamonddog
You have Obviously never watched Tony Romo Play...And I am a Cowboys fan

His confidence isnt even first capped bro. He is 140 strength 160 throwing 68 vision with deep pass tactics set and no throwaway risk

I remember that old discussion. GLB still suffers statistical runaways due to lack of negative feedback (which could come in many forms but mostly boils down to players not doing the same thing over and over expecting different results) during a game. I'm not sure why this is still surprising to so many.

The reason Confidence/Morale has never really changed the problem is that Morale is a positive feedback for bad events, and the best Confidence can do is dampen a positive feedback, instead of actually dampening the chance the event happens in the first place.

EDIT - for the sake of completeness, the AI auto-adjust thing is sort of a negative feedback event, but it's kinda like controlling a phase locked loop by manually spinning dials.

In real life, throwing an interception does not cause a QB to be more likely to throw another. It simply doesn't. However, there is one thing which clearly (and understandly) causes a QB to be FAR more likely to throw one or more interceptions.....getting hit (i.e. Sacks and to a lesser degree Hurries). In the game where the QB threw 8 Interceptions, he was sacked 4 times (no record on the number of Hurries or hits after throwing). In the Super Bowl where Rich Gannon threw 5, he was sacked 5 times (again no record on the number of Hurries or hits after throwing).

Thus, if anything should cause multiple Interceptions, it should be getting pressure on the QB, not the actual act of throwing an Interception.

nvm

Originally posted by Diamonddog
You have Obviously never watched Tony Romo Play...And I am a Cowboys fan

Why is it that people continually insist on how bad Tony Romo is? I mean are you people even watching these games?

interceptions have gone up but its probably a good thing since QB's throwing only 5 ints a seasons is a little low

Originally posted by Plankton
In real life, throwing an interception does not cause a QB to be more likely to throw another. It simply doesn't. However, there is one thing which clearly (and understandly) causes a QB to be FAR more likely to throw one or more interceptions.....getting hit (i.e. Sacks and to a lesser degree Hurries). In the game where the QB threw 8 Interceptions, he was sacked 4 times (no record on the number of Hurries or hits after throwing). In the Super Bowl where Rich Gannon threw 5, he was sacked 5 times (again no record on the number of Hurries or hits after throwing).

Thus, if anything should cause multiple Interceptions, it should be getting pressure on the QB, not the actual act of throwing an Interception.

or Jon Gruden knew the Raiders offense......which is the more likely scenario

Originally posted by burn_209
or Jon Gruden knew the Raiders offense......which is the more likely scenario

Probably true. I just used that game since it was posted earlier. In any event, getting smacked around makes a QB jumpy and quick to release the pass. That leads to Interceptions. You see it every Saturday and Sunday in the Fall.....a QB gets rattled by a couple of hits and he is quick to leave the pocket, tries to force the pass to avoid the hit, and wham...gets picked off.

Originally posted by bhall43
Why is it that people continually insist on how bad Tony Romo is? I mean are you people even watching these games?

When he puts his team down 20 points in the 4th quarter to where they have to pass every play... must be hard throwing for 400 yards huh?

Originally posted by bhall43
Why is it that people continually insist on how bad Tony Romo is? I mean are you people even watching these games?

Because he just doesn't get it done in the clutch. Everybody wants that QB that can put da team on their back and Romo just isn't that guy.

Originally posted by DarkRogue
Because he just doesn't get it done in the clutch. Everybody wants that QB that can put da team on their back and Romo just isn't that guy.

Eh, Romo ain't bad. Problem is, Jerry Jones thinks he's Tom Brady or something, and very, very few QBs are at that level. Teams have won Super Bowls with QBs worse than Romo... but the template there is that you'd better have one helluva defense and solid hard-working guys on the offense. Instead of following that template, Jones is trying to follow the superstar-QB template, and when you don't actually have a superstar-QB, that's a recipe for disaster.

Originally posted by bhall43
Why is it that people continually insist on how bad Tony Romo is? I mean are you people even watching these games?

2006:

The Cowboys played the Seattle Seahawks in the NFC Wild Card playoff round on January 6, 2007. With the Cowboys trailing 21–20 on fourth-and-one with 1:19 left in the game, the Cowboys attempted a 19-yard field goal. Romo, the holder for the kick, fumbled the snap. He recovered the ball and attempted to run it in, but was tackled short of the first down marker, and turned the ball over on the Seattle 2-yard line. The Cowboys went on to lose the game.

2007:

In the Cowboys' January 13, 2008 Division playoff game against the New York Giants, Romo was unable to lead his team to a come-from-behind victory. On 4th down with less than half a minute and no timeouts left, Romo threw the ball into the endzone, but it was intercepted by Giants cornerback R. W. McQuarters, ensuring that the Cowboys were eliminated from the playoffs with a 21–17 loss.

2008:

In what became a de facto third playoff game for Romo shortly prior to its start, on December 28, 2008, Romo and the Cowboys failed to compete against the Philadelphia Eagles in a 44–6 loss.[19] Romo committed three turnovers in the game and went 21/39 for 183 yards and no touchdowns.

2009:

Romo had a 104.9 passer rating in a 34-14 win of the Philadelphia Eagles in the first round of the playoffs, earning the first play-off win in 13 years for the Dallas Cowboys, and his own first career post-season win.

However the following week in the NFC divisional rounds against the number two seed Minnesota Vikings, Romo had three fumbles (losing two), an interception and was sacked six times in the 34-3 loss.

2010:

Injured

2011:

The next week, in the season finale in New York, the winner between the Cowboys and Giants would take the NFC East title and a spot in the playoffs, while the loser would be eliminated from playoff contention. Romo started the game despite the hand injury the previous week. Romo posted 29 out of 37 passing for 289 yards, two touchdowns and one interception for a 106.0 QB rating and a 78% pass completion rate (second highest of the season) as the Cowboys lost the game 31-14, dropped to an 8-8 record and were eliminated from playoff contention.

2012:

Dallas would finish 2012 with an 8-8 record and fail to make the playoffs for the third straight season after losing the last two games.

Step away a bit. Then think about how people will look back on Romo in 15 years if he keeps his current trajectory. One playoff win. Three seasons in a row not making the playoffs. And many of the failures are on his shoulders (fumbled snap, turnovers). And this is happening in a golden age for quarterbacks. Regardless of whether it is fair, he is going to be compared with Brees, Manning, Brady, Rogers, etc. I don't think there is any argument that he is a bad quarterback, but he certainly isn't a successful quarterback when it matters and in a time with quarterbacks have a much higher impact on the game due to rules changes and progressions in strategy/preparation that favor the passing game. No one cares if he throws for a bunch of yards or TDs every season if there are a number of other QBs doing the exact same thing and winning playoff games.

Originally posted by Plankton
In real life, throwing an interception does not cause a QB to be more likely to throw another. It simply doesn't. However, there is one thing which clearly (and understandly) causes a QB to be FAR more likely to throw one or more interceptions.....getting hit (i.e. Sacks and to a lesser degree Hurries). In the game where the QB threw 8 Interceptions, he was sacked 4 times (no record on the number of Hurries or hits after throwing). In the Super Bowl where Rich Gannon threw 5, he was sacked 5 times (again no record on the number of Hurries or hits after throwing). Thus, if anything should cause multiple Interceptions, it should be getting pressure on the QB, not the actual act of throwing an Interception.
Yeah, plus as I said in the initial thread, I have no problem with low confidence on QBs or HBs causing a higher initial turnover chance. My problem is with turnovers greatly increasing the likelihood of additional turnovers. It's not realistic and it's been a problem with the sim for most of this game's existence.

Originally posted by Novus
Eh, Romo ain't bad. Problem is, Jerry Jones thinks he's Tom Brady or something, and very, very few QBs are at that level. Teams have won Super Bowls with QBs worse than Romo... but the template there is that you'd better have one helluva defense and solid hard-working guys on the offense. Instead of following that template, Jones is trying to follow the superstar-QB template, and when you don't actually have a superstar-QB, that's a recipe for disaster.

true ..... and romo ain't bad ... but he should have ONLY been a GREAT backup in green bay ....... and JJ should've been interested in having a championship team instead of a fancy lipstick on a pig stadium ....