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I haven't trusted a scout since Catch screwed my first WL title by talking me into running some crap plays.

I wouldn't mind a scout looking at the other team and telling me what he saw I'm still going to scout the team and can compare what we both got. There is always that off chance I could overlook something while scanning as much information I Dan. If he saw something and I miss it, I can make changes if I feel I should or if I'm comfortable not going with his report, then its on me in the end. Never hurts to have another set of eyes looking things over. In RL I've scouted for our defense, though I ran the offense and the defensive coach did the same. We compared notes and came up with our game plan from there (using both sets of reports).

Originally posted by Dub J
Yeah, all I've ever seen from scouts is a copy/paste from the scouting report.

If I could find a scout that could watch replays and link hundreds of plays and explain the significance of those plays I wouldn't be so anti-scout. Never found one willing and/or able to do that. But even then, I would still have to look at all the links so I would essentially be watching replays anyway. lol





I scouted for a team of yours once, and you dismissed it because it required tagging.

Was no copy/paste scout either

I must have not perceived that dot as a threat.

Or our team was going to get beaten so badly it wouldn't have mattered.

don't remember, it was like 2 seasons ago... but I think we lost in a close game, and gave up big plays on exactly what I suggested looking for based on my scouting. Yea I scouted the opponents offense. Never bothered scouting for that team again because my scouting requires tagging.....

I never been to good at scouting opponents defenses. Probably one of the reasons I am so bad at OC'n.

Just to develop the thread a little and maybe some of you boys could toss a nickel for a poor new-boy (ish). I'm OCing. What if, having scouted your opponent's Defense, and seen that their coverage is awesome whenever a particular passing play has been called against them so they a 4 called 0 Gains history. You run that self-same play, but have a 4/4 success rate with it. Do I trust my own dots and the play order to continue to be successful, or do I fear their defense and remove the play from the package in favor of something they've struggled against? (Hope that makes sense) For the record, I feared their defense and couldn't see that pass ever working other than by lucky rolls so I swapped it out for something else, but it's bugged me ever since.

Originally posted by Makntak
Just to develop the thread a little and maybe some of you boys could toss a nickel for a poor new-boy (ish). I'm OCing. What if, having scouted your opponent's Defense, and seen that their coverage is awesome whenever a particular passing play has been called against them so they a 4 called 0 Gains history. You run that self-same play, but have a 4/4 success rate with it. Do I trust my own dots and the play order to continue to be successful, or do I fear their defense and remove the play from the package in favor of something they've struggled against? (Hope that makes sense) For the record, I feared their defense and couldn't see that pass ever working other than by lucky rolls so I swapped it out for something else, but it's bugged me ever since.

Some defenses will be like that but you have to stick with your team's strengths. If they are overcompensating against a certain play that is everyone seems to be running that season than you might want to find something different to take advantage of their setup. You just have to be the judge and decide if you want to attack it or not. Odds are you will get a few gains but not 4/4, maybe 2/4?

Also just saying teams are 0 for 4 with a play doesn't mean it won't work. What competition ran the play? with what type of builds? What were the tag setups? Maybe u can manipulate them somehow to get a more favorable look

Originally posted by Bane


I never been to good at scouting opponents defenses. Probably one of the reasons I am so bad at OC'n.

cant be any worse than me. i struggle like a motherfucker which is why i hate to put too much effort into anything beneath reg minors.

Originally posted by snakes22
Also just saying teams are 0 for 4 with a play doesn't mean it won't work. What competition ran the play? with what type of builds? What were the tag setups? Maybe u can manipulate them somehow to get a more favorable look

Expanding on this as well... you have to figure out why the other teams were 0 for 4 on a given play. Take this scenario for example... Single Back Big TE Drive. When scouting your next opponent, you notice that when other teams have played them, that play has gone 0 for 4. But it turns out that it was all in one game, where the offense insisted on only throwing deep bombs to WR1 despite him being triple-covered, while WR2 was single-covered by just the SS, not even a CB.

If I saw that, I'd immediately start scouting all the other Single Back Big plays that our next opponent had defended against, in ALL of their games. If I saw that they had a pattern of single-covering WR2 and triple-covering WR1 against ALL Single Back Big plays, regardless of opponent, then you can bet your ass that I'd dial up a TON of the Single Back Big TE Drive play and keep feeding WR2.

And yes, I've seen that happen before -- IN WORLD LEAGUE, no less.

Don't just look at numbers. There is simply no substitute -- NONE -- for watching replays. That way you can understand what those numbers actually mean.

Originally posted by Dub J
Yeah, scouts are just a nuisance. I've never met a scout that actually helped me.

At best, they tell me obvious things or things I already knew. At worst, they give me terrible information that is horribly inaccurate. Found out a long time ago it's best to coordinate without using scouts.



Pwned is really, really good.

No, he's the worst.

Originally posted by Novus
Expanding on this as well... you have to figure out why the other teams were 0 for 4 on a given play. Take this scenario for example... Single Back Big TE Drive. When scouting your next opponent, you notice that when other teams have played them, that play has gone 0 for 4. But it turns out that it was all in one game, where the offense insisted on only throwing deep bombs to WR1 despite him being triple-covered, while WR2 was single-covered by just the SS, not even a CB.

If I saw that, I'd immediately start scouting all the other Single Back Big plays that our next opponent had defended against, in ALL of their games. If I saw that they had a pattern of single-covering WR2 and triple-covering WR1 against ALL Single Back Big plays, regardless of opponent, then you can bet your ass that I'd dial up a TON of the Single Back Big TE Drive play and keep feeding WR2.

And yes, I've seen that happen before -- IN WORLD LEAGUE, no less.

Don't just look at numbers. There is simply no substitute -- NONE -- for watching replays. That way you can understand what those numbers actually mean.

Love it Novus. It's reassuring to hear you say this. it's exactly what I've been doing after your last piece of advice to me, which has been a huge help - two wins since implementing it and as a direct consequence of the scouting

Ya you really need to know why those plays weren't successful. Some minor build and VA differences go a LONG ways.

Originally posted by Makntak
Love it Novus. It's reassuring to hear you say this. it's exactly what I've been doing after your last piece of advice to me, which has been a huge help - two wins since implementing it and as a direct consequence of the scouting



Glad to hear it.