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i seen one of their builds before but don't remember any exacts...but...

Originally posted by Timetoshine-Metta
prolly sex

here is what I got when I tried to build a pwr, but of course I have no clue how to build a pwr, carrying too high, jumping too low.

Attributes:
strength : 26
speed : 99
agility : 90.38
jumping : 62.38
stamina : 61
vision : 50.38
confidence : 49
blocking : 6
throwing : 8
catching : 92.38
carrying : 84.38
tackling : 8
kicking : 8
punting : 8

id probably drop carrying for 60+ vision...maybe even 70+ vision. Confidence down to 40. Also not sure if you took into account the SP's for SA's needed.

how many SPs are needed for SAs do you think?

Originally posted by Robbnva
how many SPs are needed for SAs do you think?

around 60 or so maybe. Possibly more if you are using 2 Fake and 2 Catch ball AEQ's.

Just so you know about archetypes, WRs are a little special...

the difference between majors and minors for WRs is a grand 3.38 at end build (meaning your majors get an additional +3.38 when all is said and done).

It's because they have 5 majors and 3 minors, so the minors still get a pretty good boost from the ALG in comparison.


Also, the penalized vs favorite SAs are kind of a wash, since both the penalized and favored SAs are pretty good for all archetypes

thus, I'd pick archtype of WR based on weight and height.

possession WR archetype can be 4 inches taller, but the speedster WR can be 20 lbs lighter

so basically:
-If you are trying to get separation via speed, fakes, or agility (cuts etc)... go with the lighter choice (speedster)
-if you are wanting a receiver whose better at catching contested passes... go with the taller choice (possession)

but that's just my 2 cents

Originally posted by jampysos
Thanks Novus,
but I hope you understand the point I am trying to understand,
as I am not intentionally trying to have a debate,
I just want to understand why/how this huge favor of 1 arch/buildtype is so much more preferred than the other. (Which seems more dominant imo)

Hey, it's always good to ask questions, even if they go against the flow of conventional wisdom.

I think what it all comes down to is the simple question of what most people want out of their WR. Super-fast WRs are simple to build (though deceptively difficult to build correctly -- an important distinction), and even the dumbest OC knows how to use a super-fast WR in their offense. That probably explains the disparity more than anything.

Possession WRs can work, but with much more difficulty... since you can't get their Speed up as high, you have to absolutely nail the rest of the build. And even then, you also have to find an OC who knows how to correctly use your WR and how to find him some single-coverage short-to-medium routes where he can do his thing. If you end up on a team that just bombs it downfield all game long, your WR is going to struggle, because he's going to be fighting for the ball with 2 or 3 defenders every single time -- maybe more defenders than that, depending on how quickly the rest of the defense can converge on you while the ball is in the air.

And even then, if I want to build somebody for short-to-medium underneath routes, my personal preference is still gonna be a Speedster so he can use his Speed and Agility to make quick cuts away from his man, though I'd still certainly build him differently than I'd build a downfield threat.

But that's what makes this game so much fun... tryin' this shit out. Only way to know for sure is to build a dot and let 'er rip.

Great thread, jampy. Really enjoyed this one.

So how much is wrong with this sWR ? Asking because I gave very minimal attention to his build until today....just kind of coasted through the seasons and auto training

Brother Allman (Lv. 76 WR)
Ht/Wt: 5'8", 175lbs

Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 28
Speed: 161.45(withVA) (+55)
Agility: 93.37 (withVA)
Jumping: 61.58
Stamina: 62.58
Vision: 71.87
Confidence: 40.87

Football Skills
Catching: 90.16 (withVA)
Carrying: 34.58


Special Abilities
Possession Receiver Abilities
Route Running: 4
Sticky Hands: 7
Jumping Catch: 0
Diving Catch: 0
One Handed Catch: 0

Speedster Abilities
First Step: 11
Quick Cut: 4
Head Fake: 3
Spin: 1
Juke: 1

Additional Abilities
Catch Fake: 9


Current Bonuses/Penalties

Catch ball chance: +21%
Fake chance: +15%

with 3 boost left have 20SP's to fix whatever his problem may be, lol

carrying way low

Originally posted by Bane
So how much is wrong with this sWR ? Asking because I gave very minimal attention to his build until today....just kind of coasted through the seasons and auto trainingo_O

Brother Allman (Lv. 76 WR)
Ht/Wt: 5'8", 175lbs

Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 28
Speed: 161.45(withVA) (+55)
Agility: 93.37 (withVA)
Jumping: 61.58
Stamina: 62.58
Vision: 71.87
Confidence: 40.87

Football Skills
Catching: 90.16 (withVA)
Carrying: 34.58


Special Abilities
Possession Receiver Abilities
Route Running: 4
Sticky Hands: 7
Jumping Catch: 0
Diving Catch: 0
One Handed Catch: 0

Speedster Abilities
First Step: 11
Quick Cut: 4
Head Fake: 3
Spin: 1
Juke: 1

Additional Abilities
Catch Fake: 9


Current Bonuses/Penalties

Catch ball chance: +21%
Fake chance: +15%

with 3 boost left have 20SP's to fix whatever his problem may be, lol

20 sp's goes right out the window because the main part of the whole reason you have this arch still needs attention. RR and SH.

Well thanks everyone

I think I really learned something about my favorite position (in glb and irl) the WR.

Will take all the essentials from this thread and use it to help advance me.

Thanks everyone who contributed, especially bhall and Novus.

I'll add in a last lick here. I believe, especially since many more of them are made, Speed WR's are much easier to build than the other types. Especially if you're trying to build a WL comparable dot. I'd also say that because building a great Power or Possession WR is much harder to do WL-style and that's why you don't see many up there (in WL). I had a lot of fun and success with my Power WR but there was no way he would ever play for a WL team. Not good enough. Good enough to be effective until I retired him from old age... but not good enough to be WL class. And that's my 2 centavos.

No power WR is good enough for WL...because they have little use in these days.