Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Time Trial
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2265748&pbp_id=2363246

Yeah... it is plays like this that make me question surge over another skill. The boost to speed is negligible, and the one time he needed to break a tackle, he didn't.

This guy is just as fast through the gap, but he's also going to make people miss.

I know it isn't a fair comparison, but I don't have any active high level power backs. I used surge on my last one, but I wish I had gone with something else.

That burst of speed look negligible to you? When he gets the ball he is moving 5 yds/11 clicks = 0.454 yds/click, then he accelerates and goes about 3 yds in 4 clicks = 0.75 yds/click. His speed almost doubled for about 5 clicks.

Originally posted by tpaterniti
That burst of speed look negligible to you? When he gets the ball he is moving 5 yds/11 clicks = 0.454 yds/click, then he accelerates and goes about 3 yds in 4 clicks = 0.75 yds/click. His speed almost doubled for about 5 clicks.

Problem is that according to the SA description Surge is not supposed to fire in that situation as it is clearly outside the "tackle box". not complaining, but does same for RBs as well so the description needs an adjustment...

what did it accomplish again?

Originally posted by Black Peter
Problem is that according to the SA description Surge is not supposed to fire in that situation as it is clearly outside the "tackle box". not complaining, but does same for RBs as well so the description needs an adjustment...


I'd just include the blocking TE in that tackle box. Bort probably did it by area on the field and not by where the OT actually was but who knows. There are a lot of "off-tackle" runs where the HB goes off-tackle one over, as in he goes one gap over from off tackle with the TE where the OT would be and the OT where a G would be.

Originally posted by tpaterniti
In fact he averaged 4.42 ypc when it fired
Isn't he averaging even more than that when it doesn't fire? I understand why you're impressed at the rate of fire, but it's fair to question how much benefit you're getting when it does.

Originally posted by Black Peter
Problem is that according to the SA description Surge is not supposed to fire in that situation as it is clearly outside the "tackle box". not complaining, but does same for RBs as well so the description needs an adjustment...


I watched the replay over and over again and I think that it could be just a bad example of the replay not being completely accurate. If you slow it down he is pretty close to where the OT is lined up at the start of the play and it's firing right near the line of scrimmage. In the replay he is outside the tackle box but by only a small margin.

power backs too much these days

Running inside would have to not suck at the highest levels for Surge to be really appealing to me.

Originally posted by jdbolick

Isn't he averaging even more than that when it doesn't fire? I understand why you're impressed at the rate of fire, but it's fair to question how much benefit you're getting when it does.

Its a speed up at the LOS...it definitely has benefit. Unless you talk me into another SA worth a damn adding on that is the SA to add.

Originally posted by jdbolick
Running inside would have to not suck at the highest levels for Surge to be really appealing to me.

Certainly has its benefit. As does D4Y. This thread is kinda comical right now from my standpoint.

Originally posted by bhall43
Its a speed up at the LOS...it definitely has benefit. Unless you talk me into another SA worth a damn adding on that is the SA to add.
To my knowledge Surge doesn't allow you to go over your natural maximum speed the way First Step does for DEs and such, while HBs already get to maximum speed in pretty short order if they have an open lane. Obviously Surge has some positive value, but so would spending those skill points in something else. The question is whether or not the benefit is large enough to make a significant difference to performance.

Opinions on Quick Cut for a PHB who runs both inside and outside?

In the past it was again hard to really see a difference on the sweeps

Originally posted by KCScott
Opinions on Quick Cut for a PHB who runs both inside and outside?

In the past it was again hard to really see a difference on the sweeps

Good investment given it's first in the elusive tree. I wouldn't use it for AEQ or anything, but taking it to 4 costs you just 6 SPs. That's well worth it.

Originally posted by jdbolick

To my knowledge Surge doesn't allow you to go over your natural maximum speed the way First Step does for DEs and such, while HBs already get to maximum speed in pretty short order if they have an open lane. Obviously Surge has some positive value, but so would spending those skill points in something else. The question is whether or not the benefit is large enough to make a significant difference to performance.

at a previous Q&A bort implied surge is probably the equivalent to first step.

Originally posted by jdbolick

Isn't he averaging even more than that when it doesn't fire? I understand why you're impressed at the rate of fire, but it's fair to question how much benefit you're getting when it does.

Not on inside runs. He averages pretty high on pitches mostly I would say because he can break DB's tackles.