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i can vouch for cjericho building good dots. hopefully i'm not one of the bad owners that he has played for

i think the big point is that cpu offers and upper level d teams came around about the same time to help qb and hb find teams at higher levels, but only 1 or the other was needed. cpu teams will at least play appropriate level competition whereas the d teams are filled with players that should have been retired long ago.

as far as recruiting these days, back in s23, i was made co-owner about the 3rd preseason game at which point i convinced enough players to join us that we ended up with a hefty overflow, so i bought a team after week 1, in the same league. those 2 teams met for the gold. but just a few seasons ago, i bought a borderline playoff team in week 11. half the players quit or were cut immediately so that the team was age/level appropriate. and it was impossible to find players willing to jump aboard. we still managed to make the silver game as the 6 seed, but about 3/4 of the team were 10-20 levels below the conf champ. if you dont have your team set by the 1st couple of games, you arent going to find appropriate level players any more. and we all know that most agents regardless of the quality of their dots, want to only play for winning teams, so once you start that downward movement, its hard not to spiral downward out of control even as a good owner.

Originally posted by Guppy, Inc
i can vouch for cjericho building good dots. hopefully i'm not one of the bad owners that he has played for

i think the big point is that cpu offers and upper level d teams came around about the same time to help qb and hb find teams at higher levels, but only 1 or the other was needed. cpu teams will at least play appropriate level competition whereas the d teams are filled with players that should have been retired long ago.

as far as recruiting these days, back in s23, i was made co-owner about the 3rd preseason game at which point i convinced enough players to join us that we ended up with a hefty overflow, so i bought a team after week 1, in the same league. those 2 teams met for the gold. but just a few seasons ago, i bought a borderline playoff team in week 11. half the players quit or were cut immediately so that the team was age/level appropriate. and it was impossible to find players willing to jump aboard. we still managed to make the silver game as the 6 seed, but about 3/4 of the team were 10-20 levels below the conf champ. if you dont have your team set by the 1st couple of games, you arent going to find appropriate level players any more. and we all know that most agents regardless of the quality of their dots, want to only play for winning teams, so once you start that downward movement, its hard not to spiral downward out of control even as a good owner.

No you are not one of the bad owners Guppy, I enjoyed playing for you and thanks for vouching for me. I do understand what you are saying as well but me and what everyone else who supports d-leagues are saying is that we want as many options as possible. I suppose that recruiting has gotten tougher due to fewer players available but again that is why any current or future owners need to give the players out there a good reason to join their teams. Ultimately it is all boils down to can you win or not and if you don't have a winning rep then it is that much harder to sign players. Getting rid of d-leagues will not change that one bit, all it will do is decrease the already shrinking free agent pool because those players who only want to play int the d-leagues will most likely stop playing GLB altogether.

i think the problem many of us have with the d leagues is getting to compare stats playing against players like this http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=821217, versus playing in the real leagues even on a cpu team, and having to play appropriate level players, but come the end of the day for rankings, the d league players have a huge advantage based on competition. i dont know how many times i've seen players brag about their stats only to see that it was in the d leagues. i'd never sign a player who tried that on me...lol

Originally posted by Guppy, Inc
i think the problem many of us have with the d leagues is getting to compare stats playing against players like this http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=821217, versus playing in the real leagues even on a cpu team, and having to play appropriate level players, but come the end of the day for rankings, the d league players have a huge advantage based on competition. i dont know how many times i've seen players brag about their stats only to see that it was in the d leagues. i'd never sign a player who tried that on me...lol

For players like that they should just have an auto retire. You should only get to play 1 season after your player starts to decline and that problem is solved. You will always get the people who sign with a low level Reg Pro team just to pad stats whether you have D-Leagues or not. In the grand scheme of the game, if you are relying on D-League players to fill your roster you wont be very successful. People sign with D-Leagues for a variety of reasons, some just to hold players for their own team in case they need a replacement. Why sign with a CPU team that can be bought when you can just do D-Leagues and just wait out the season. I think there are much bigger issues for GLB to solve than the D-leagues.

i'm pretty sure that bort is on record as saying that he'll never force players to retire. plus i've had players play very well into their 4th season of decline.

the inability to purchase cpu teams after a certain point, would have to go hand in hand with getting rid of the d leagues otherwise it just wouldnt work.

to me, this is part of the larger competitive balance issue which i think is the #1 issue in glb. as a former owner, i see little reason to buy teams any more when you are lucky to get 6 quality games out of the 24 that you'll play each season. there are still far too many teams for the current player base, and d teams filled with quality players does not for the game as a whole except to fill bort's pockets which is why it'll never change.

Originally posted by Lewk57
For players like that they should just have an auto retire. You should only get to play 1 season after your player starts to decline and that problem is solved. You will always get the people who sign with a low level Reg Pro team just to pad stats whether you have D-Leagues or not. In the grand scheme of the game, if you are relying on D-League players to fill your roster you wont be very successful. People sign with D-Leagues for a variety of reasons, some just to hold players for their own team in case they need a replacement. Why sign with a CPU team that can be bought when you can just do D-Leagues and just wait out the season. I think there are much bigger issues for GLB to solve than the D-leagues.

+1

Originally posted by Guppy, Inc
i think the problem many of us have with the d leagues is getting to compare stats playing against players like this http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=821217, versus playing in the real leagues even on a cpu team, and having to play appropriate level players, but come the end of the day for rankings, the d league players have a huge advantage based on competition. i dont know how many times i've seen players brag about their stats only to see that it was in the d leagues. i'd never sign a player who tried that on me...lol

As for this any owner looking for a dot in the d-leagues should do their full research on a player before offering a contract to them. The player you are highlighting there is also the perfect example of a permanent d-leaguer because at this point the d-league only place this player will be effective and if there is no more d-league than this player will be retired or go to a cpu team in the lowest possible league it can be on.

Originally posted by Lewk57
For players like that they should just have an auto retire. You should only get to play 1 season after your player starts to decline and that problem is solved. You will always get the people who sign with a low level Reg Pro team just to pad stats whether you have D-Leagues or not. In the grand scheme of the game, if you are relying on D-League players to fill your roster you wont be very successful. People sign with D-Leagues for a variety of reasons, some just to hold players for their own team in case they need a replacement. Why sign with a CPU team that can be bought when you can just do D-Leagues and just wait out the season. I think there are much bigger issues for GLB to solve than the D-leagues.



Forcing people to retire would cause a huge stir...
The D-Leagues are a problem, have you not read the OP? People are just stat-whoring in D-Leagues when they could be on a team that needs players. It's not as easy to stat-whore in lower level leagues.
People don't use the D-Leagues as a placeholder despite what they tell you. They are stat-whoring.
You seem to contradict yourself and make yourself look dumb. Auto-retire? The OP's suggestion would fix this. Other posts you have made in suggestions are ridiculous as well. You make a suggestion within the suggestion that suggests the same damn thing, only more work.

Originally posted by BagO'Chips


Forcing people to retire would cause a huge stir...
The D-Leagues are a problem, have you not read the OP? People are just stat-whoring in D-Leagues when they could be on a team that needs players. It's not as easy to stat-whore in lower level leagues.
People don't use the D-Leagues as a placeholder despite what they tell you. They are stat-whoring.
You seem to contradict yourself and make yourself look dumb. Auto-retire? The OP's suggestion would fix this. Other posts you have made in suggestions are ridiculous as well. You make a suggestion within the suggestion that suggests the same damn thing, only more work.



LOL

Why is stat whoring a big problem in the game? Why does anyone care that a player in a D league has 15,000 yards rushing? No matter what you do, there are owners that will never be able to fill a roster. Have you looked at the talent in the D-Leagues? Most of those players are no better than a CPU anyway.

There are people that play the game for a variety of reasons and D-Leagues probably serve a purpose for them. Maybe they only log in once a week and dont want to be on a team where the owner hounds him on training or if he goes inactive he gets cut. On a CPU team it can be bought and if the player doesnt log in he is stuck there, or maybe he gets cut after the new owner takes over. There are plenty of casual players out there.

I make myself look dumb by suggesting auto retire? If people are so worried about stat whoring auto retire would solve some of that, you get your X number of seasons and thats it. It may cause a stir for a bit but that would die down quickly. What human team benefits from a 25 season player on their roster?

In most cases the teams that can't fill their roster have an ownership problem. I have free agents every season, but I only sign with people I know or good teams. If an owner of an 0-16 team PMed me, they would have to have a real good story as to why his team would be a good place to play. When I make a player its usually for a specific team for the life of that player, if that team goes away I usually retire that player or ask my friends if they need him.

Originally posted by Lewk57
LOL

Why is stat whoring a big problem in the game? Why does anyone care that a player in a D league has 15,000 yards rushing?


What are you, 8? Have you not learned to comprehend yet? It clearly states this in the OP. Because they are players that could be playing for your team. idgaf about your recruiting success nor does anyone else, this isn't what this is about Originally posted by CyberNinja
The D-league was meant to help new players find teams, not to help stat whoring vets climb higher on the Hall of Shame voting.

Originally posted by Lewk57

There are people that play the game for a variety of reasons and D-Leagues probably serve a purpose for them. Maybe they only log in once a week and dont want to be on a team where the owner hounds him on training or if he goes inactive he gets cut. On a CPU team it can be bought and if the player doesnt log in he is stuck there, or maybe he gets cut after the new owner takes over. There are plenty of casual players out there.


D-Leagues =/= CPU Teams, but I vaguely see the point you are making and where you transitioned. There are also plenty of casual players stat-whoring, not on purpose, but when they could be on a human team that needs them

Originally posted by Lewk57

I make myself look dumb by suggesting auto retire?


Yes.
Originally posted by Guppy, Inc
i'm pretty sure that bort is on record as saying that he'll never force players to retire. plus i've had players play very well into their 4th season of decline.



Originally posted by Lewk57

In most cases the teams that can't fill their roster have an ownership problem.

You have an intelligence problem.

itt bad owners mad that they cant recruit a decent team

Originally posted by Deathblade
itt bad owners mad that they cant recruit a decent team

If anything it will attract people to this thread. Agents feed on drama.

+1

Currently, new QBs can't find any teams. I've had this problem with 2 QBs that I created. I've also had several new QBs that are free agents come to me and ask me to sign them to my rookie team. QBs do not get any auto offers from any CPU teams or D-League teams currently because all rosters have reached the maximum limit of 2 QBs. Pushing higher leveled players out of developmental league teams would help the new players being created.

This would help the game too by retaining the new agents. I had to wait 10 hours just now to find a team for my new QB. I ended up only getting an offer for the QB after I agreed to sign 7 of my other players to the same team. The QB is a developmental player that I was looking for a D League team for and not looking to statwhore. A high percentage of new agents probably choose QB as their first DOT, but if they don't find a team within a couple of minutes to an hour, you can probably bet that they are not coming back to the game.

The only problem I see with this is that the currently high leveled QBs in developmental leagues might not be able to find teams if they are forced out of the league.

Originally posted by whatadai
+1

Currently, new QBs can't find any teams. I've had this problem with 2 QBs that I created. I've also had several new QBs that are free agents come to me and ask me to sign them to my rookie team. QBs do not get any auto offers from any CPU teams or D-League teams currently because all rosters have reached the maximum limit of 2 QBs. Pushing higher leveled players out of developmental league teams would help the new players being created.

This would help the game too by retaining the new agents. I had to wait 10 hours just now to find a team for my new QB. I ended up only getting an offer for the QB after I agreed to sign 7 of my other players to the same team. The QB is a developmental player that I was looking for a D League team for and not looking to statwhore. A high percentage of new agents probably choose QB as their first DOT, but if they don't find a team within a couple of minutes to an hour, you can probably bet that they are not coming back to the game.

The only problem I see with this is that the currently high leveled QBs in developmental leagues might not be able to find teams if they are forced out of the league.

you cant use the stupidity of people making unneeded players as an argument for or against any suggestion. we wouldnt need the d leagues at all if people would stop being so stupid and over making qb. there needs to be a pop up when making Qbs. "yo there are already too many Qbs, so unless you already have a team lined up, you will likely have trouble finding a team for your whole career, so if you come to the forums whining about it, its a permanent forum ban"

Originally posted by Guppy, Inc
you cant use the stupidity of people making unneeded players as an argument for or against any suggestion. we wouldnt need the d leagues at all if people would stop being so stupid and over making qb. there needs to be a pop up when making Qbs. "yo there are already too many Qbs, so unless you already have a team lined up, you will likely have trouble finding a team for your whole career, so if you come to the forums whining about it, its a permanent forum ban"

New players don't give a flying fuck. They'll create a QB, HB, or WR no matter what. Even if there is a popup.

Originally posted by Guppy, Inc
you cant use the stupidity of people making unneeded players as an argument for or against any suggestion. we wouldnt need the d leagues at all if people would stop being so stupid and over making qb. there needs to be a pop up when making Qbs. "yo there are already too many Qbs, so unless you already have a team lined up, you will likely have trouble finding a team for your whole career, so if you come to the forums whining about it, its a permanent forum ban"

Um...when creating a player the need for QB says average so there's already a problem there, it's not on low like HB. Then there's people who want to make developmental QBs like me, who doesn't have a team this year, but has one lined up for next season that hasn't been bought yet. Everyone has their own reasons for creating a player, I'd rather there be enough teams for them to at least retain the agent for the game. Maybe someone just wants to make a test build too? And who says the QBs that are being created in excess are good? Maybe this one guy who wants to create one is better than most of the ones that were created before him and he wants to have the player develop in the league? Blaming the agents for building in excess at a position is a dumb idea since you don't know why they're building that player...instead push the stat whores out so these players can have teams.

And if a new agent wants to create a QB...let him and have him find a developmental team easiliy...cause the first thing you want to do is to retain new agents who will end up creating more players at other positions when he starts getting addicted to the game. Making them leave cause they can't find a team won't help the shortage at other positions.