Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Hagalaz
Sir, I do hope you're kidding, because that is the most incorrect method I've seen in a long time. It does not matter whether or not youa re getting experience or not, you should be multi-ing your primaries before your secondaries to stock up on ALGs EVEN if you ignore the fact that your primaries are primaries because they are more important to you than secondaries...

By secondaries I meant your 2nd, 3rd, 4th attributes. primaries excluding your #1 attribute.

Originally posted by Hagalaz
Sir, I do hope you're kidding, because that is the most incorrect method I've seen in a long time. It does not matter whether or not youa re getting experience or not, you should be multi-ing your primaries before your secondaries to stock up on ALGs EVEN if you ignore the fact that your primaries are primaries because they are more important to you than secondaries...

Even if you multi train, your 2nd attribute will not hit see AGLs in season 1.

Originally posted by kevoncox
Do you multi train in the offseason. I see that as a waste because, there is no Xp given, so its best to Normal train or intense train those days to bulk up your secondaries. I'm thinking of trying light training on those days to push my BTs up.



Hagalaz is correct man. Whether its the offseason or not has NOTHING to do with how you should train. Once your primary hits the 3rd cap you should multi train all the way til its time to start training on LIGHT in order to get the amount of tokens to reach 3 or 4 pieces of AE. Switching back and forth between multi train and intense and light will ruin your dot compared to competition.

Originally posted by Hagalaz
Usually, you can start 4-way multi the day you hit the 3rd cap on your primary. I am a firm believer that this is the most efficient path.
Yup.

Originally posted by whodey08
Hagalaz is correct man. Whether its the offseason or not has NOTHING to do with how you should train. Once your primary hits the 3rd cap you should multi train all the way til its time to start training on LIGHT in order to get the amount of tokens to reach 3 or 4 pieces of AE. Switching back and forth between multi train and intense and light will ruin your dot compared to competition.

Those days that you are not aging / getting xp are very valuable. Wasting them by skipping 3 of them at a time too me is a waste.
When the clock is stopped, you try to do as much work as possible before the clock starts back. You get your none capped primaries to cap and enjoy all of the ALGs of the following year.

Example

Strength - 34
Speed - 102.32
Agility - 92.32
Catching - 87.37
Vision - 71.37
Stamina - 62
Carrying - 63
Jumping - 51
Confid- 53

I also ended with 676 BT and 75XP
I know that 676 is too few BT but...I trained until day 220.
I will be limiting my build and going light a sooner.
How is this ruined?

I love some of you guys topics and comments but I think you sometimes, put things in only two baskets:

Basket A: My way(until I change mind next week)
Basket B: Ruined Build ( That may well be the way I am building next week)

Originally posted by kevoncox
Example

Strength - 34
Speed - 102.32
Agility - 92.32
Catching - 87.37
Vision - 71.37
Stamina - 62
Carrying - 63
Jumping - 51
Confid- 53

I also ended with 676 BT and 75XP
I know that 676 is too few BT but...I trained until day 200.
I will be limiting my build and going light a sooner.
How is this ruined?


Oh boy... I don't even know where to start...

First of, you can get better attributes and DOUBLE that amount of BTs... Second, what build value does that method get you? What is the build value of that player whose build you posted? If you saw that, you would understand just how wrong you are.

This is so illogical and your attitude is so wrong that it doesn't even feel right to help you.

You accuse us of thinking only of our way of building yet you refuse to understand just how TERRIBLE your way is.

Why? Why do you, not knowing wtf you are talking about, choose to ignore the people that are here trying to HELP YOU by showing you that you are doing something wrong?

If you don't want our help and don't want to understand, fine, but you ARE wrong.

A very, VERY simplified build plan for a 3-aeq player would be:

a) purchase 10% training enhancement
b) train light once
c) purchase 20% enhancement
d) train intense till day 48
e) convert 15 bt to 1 sp
f) apply SP getting you to 49
g) boost 3 times
h) intense train 9 times
i) purchase 30% enhance
j) keep up the intense, but if need be, train normal once or twice to make sure you end up at 90% trained before you level.
k) train intense or normal until either you hit enough BT for unlocking 4-way multi (36 BTs) and you have reached the third cap on your primary
l) multi 4-way once, unlock 10% enhance on two of the attributes in your training regime
m) multi 4-way once, unlock 10% enhance on the final attribute in your training regime
n) multi 4-way twice, unlock 20% enhance on one of the attributes in your training regime
o) multi 4-way once, unlock 20% enhance on another of the attributes in your training regime.
p) multi-4way once, unlock 20% enhance on the final attribute of your training regime.
q) multi 4-way until day 200 nonstop
r) light train until day 280

This will get you around 1300-1400 BTs, plus a build value of 1400 even without any more tricks.

Now, I'm giving you one chance to, rationally, tell us how in hell would a day with experience be any difference from a day with no experience in what regards to training. With detail. And numbers. Once you realise that there is no difference, you will soon see (I hope) that you are arbitrarily deciding not to train in a certain way on certain days for no reason.

Kevoncox...we are trying to help you. If you think your way is better than great.....go build your dots.

I am not going to waste any more of my time trying to help someone who thinks they already know it all despite the lack of success to back it up. Some of the agents trying to help you have the success to back up their claims.

Best of luck to you man.....send us a PM or post again when your way of building lands you in WL or at least allows you to kick ass in the Pro's.

Originally posted by kevoncox
Those days that you are not aging / getting xp are very valuable. Wasting them by skipping 3 of them at a time too me is a waste.
When the clock is stopped, you try to do as much work as possible before the clock starts back. You get your none capped primaries to cap and enjoy all of the ALGs of the following year.


makes no sense to me. What does getting XP have to do with training gains?

Oh, I know

nothing

the training gains are SO much more in multi training. You are not really skipping 3 days, your saving those up for MUCH bigger gains when the multi training happens.

I realize in the past people may have attacked people and that has several posters here with their panties in a bunch but I'm not attacking any of you. We are having a discussion with polar views. I'm not going to respond to anyone directly but some of you responded so poorly, you can keep you advice.

To those that would like to continue to discuss..

Strength - 34
Speed - 102.32
Agility - 92.32
Catching - 87.37
Vision - 71.37
Stamina - 62
Carrying - 63
Jumping - 51
Confid- 53

This was the build I posted. I never claimed this to be the end all build of WR dots and hell, I made several mistakes while completing it however. It's a damn good build when people would say it would ruin the dot.
I'm here to discuss nto to fight. If you can't take a dissenting opinion...I'll keep note of who you are and remeber any response you make to say it was the greatest forum post of all time.

Originally posted by kevoncox
I love some of you guys topics and comments but I think you sometimes, put things in only two baskets:

Basket A: My way(until I change mind next week)
Basket B: Ruined Build ( That may well be the way I am building next week)



We were having a discussion about how to build when you attacked us. Your the one who attacked us by saying we put everything into 2 baskets which is "our way" or "your way sucks". Sounds like an attack to me.

The build you posted with 102 speed. Any AE on him? If you only had 670 some tokens than that means he could only get 2 pieces of AE if he was lucky because it costs 600 tokens just to upgrade 2 pieces of AE let alone the tokens needed to shop or build it so he might have been left with just 1 piece of AE. That speed will never cut it in the big leagues.

If that's all the speed he has than his other attributes need to make up the difference and they don't.

Originally posted by Bane
makes no sense to me. What does getting XP have to do with training gains?

Oh, I know

nothing

the training gains are SO much more in multi training. You are not really skipping 3 days, your saving those up for MUCH bigger gains when the multi training happens.

I understand the talent gains on multi. I do. I understand the Bts gains I do. That's the basics.
My thought process is...
You have 8 days before ALG kick back in. You want to conserve those on your players because they are worth the most. By conserve I mean to have them happen as far into the cap as possible. From level 0 - 48 they are worthless because they are worth .5 or .4 in some cases.

However, right now my 2nd attribute is at 22. With a couple of level gains before day 48 it should hit approx 28.
How ever simply using the trainin potential now,...If I was to train on MT from -8 to 0 that's 9 days.
In those 9 days, I would be able to MT 2X for 83 * 2. = 1.66 points. If I Intense train 9 times. I will end up with approx 5.4 points.
Is it getting clearer why I do it.

This then helps me get to the first cap of my 2nd attribute faster and using less SP from levels 20+ to do so.
During the season, I go back to MT
I have seen where putting an attribute on a cap a day later, is capable of making a huge alteration to the final points of the DOT. You guys contain a wealth of knowledge but I think I am well aware of some of little tricks here or there than makes all the difference in a build.

Thanks for those who didn't take my remarks as an attack. To thos that did....its must be a reflection of your comments.

Your looking at "now" whereas we are looking at an "end build" and our way will have a better end build than your way. Again.....we can back up our claims with our success......can you? Played in WL? OC or DC in WL? Even Pro level? Show us where your way has had success in the big leagues?

Best I can see without diving into things too much is you haven't done shit since season 7....that's 23 seasons with no success!!!

Originally posted by whodey08
We were having a discussion about how to build when you attacked us. Your the one who attacked us by saying we put everything into 2 baskets which is "our way" or "your way sucks". Sounds like an attack to me.

The build you posted with 102 speed. Any AE on him? If you only had 670 some tokens than that means he could only get 2 pieces of AE if he was lucky because it costs 600 tokens just to upgrade 2 pieces of AE let alone the tokens needed to shop or build it so he might have been left with just 1 piece of AE. That speed will never cut it in the big leagues.

If that's all the speed he has than his other attributes need to make up the difference and they don't.

Originally posted by whodey08
..... Switching back and forth between multi train and intense and light will ruin your dot compared to competition.

Your post about your way or its ruined was what I responded to.
You say 160 speed will cut it but 157 (102 + 55) will not
I had already said, as I was going thru this build I continued to multi train some of the less important attributes way too long.
I have rectify that and will start at day 160 to ensure I hit the # of Bts needed.
So my 3 speed difference needs to be addressed...what else is wrong with the build?
I can show you the SA's if you like. I think its solid and with the right tweaking...can be impressive.
Thinking outside the box is sometimes difficult but also rewarding. Last week you were championing Intense training, this week you are all about normal training. What's changed? The spread of ideas me thinks.