Warrior General Games

Originally posted by SeattleNiner
I would like to see plateau dots get (1) VA reset every game played.

That would 1) allow them to slowly adjust a build to the sim, 2) give a little room for experimentation and 3) give plateau players something to do during the season - making them more valuable.

I would like to see an elephant fly. In other words, NGTH.

There's been a few season where I didn't even need to use VA resets. I just think the issue here is overrated.

Originally posted by Homage
It's bout dam time. Too many VA's, too many team changes, too many sim changes...
With the way this current VA rule is setup, it benefits the networks and hurts the independents.

QFT. This is a great idea. 30 should be enough. Full VA reset...thats a lot, but all in all, this is a great idea and should be given some credence, esp with respect to the point he made. Dots who move around on teams might have to do GIANT VA swaps.

Like a WR who is for third down on one team...he might have Go To guy, Mr reliable, clutch, and slot machine if he is a WR3...however, he moves to another system where they force starters on 3rd and 4th and he wont be a starter...now he's stuck with all those VA's he cant use?? A 15 point VA reset just doesnt cut it.

Originally posted by TheGreatAus
Originally posted by Homage

It's bout dam time. Too many VA's, too many team changes, too many sim changes...
With the way this current VA rule is setup, it benefits the networks and hurts the independents.

QFT. This is a great idea. 30 should be enough. Full VA reset...thats a lot, but all in all, this is a great idea and should be given some credence, esp with respect to the point he made. Dots who move around on teams might have to do GIANT VA swaps.

Like a WR who is for third down on one team...he might have Go To guy, Mr reliable, clutch, and slot machine if he is a WR3...however, he moves to another system where they force starters on 3rd and 4th and he wont be a starter...now he's stuck with all those VA's he cant use?? A 15 point VA reset just doesnt cut it.


Yeah, the folks fighting this don't seem to have a lot of experience with dots at the higher levels of the game, and also seem to labor under the impression that unless a huge uproar is found in the forums that the sim hasn't changed. The sim changes EVERY season, and the OCs and DCs revise rosters and strategies based upon those major-or-minor changes. Dot builders need a little more wiggle room than the current 15 VA reset to adapt.

Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader
Yeah, the folks fighting this don't seem to have a lot of experience with dots at the higher levels of the game


If by "experience" you mean sitting around waiting for someone to post in a forum what VAs to put your VPs in...

That's what the vast majority do, tbh. Every team you go to there's a VA list. Not a VA discussion list but rather a thread telling everyone where to put their VPs. This game gets increasingly boring because the mold for cookie cutter is stronger than ever.

Originally posted by Dub J
Originally posted by Myd

There's been a few season where I didn't even need to use VA resets. I just think the issue here is overrated.



That's cool. But those of us at the top actually have to use them because we're actually trying to win in a competitive league. Regional Pro, hell even Nat Pro you don't even need to apply VA's to have a playoff team. So if you're level of success is simply making the playoffs in those, then yeah... this change won't really affect you at all.

Originally posted by Dub J

If by "experience" you mean sitting around waiting for someone to post in a forum what VAs to put your VPs in...

That's what the vast majority do, tbh. Every team you go to there's a VA list. Not a VA discussion list but rather a thread telling everyone where to put their VPs. This game gets increasingly boring because the mold for cookie cutter is stronger than ever.




Cool so let's not offer people a reason or incentive to try out VAs and limit their reset potential and force them into "proven" tactics. Glad you're seeing things through buddy.

Originally posted by Myd
I still see Plateau dots as just dots that an agent is getting a bonus season or two before decline. As such, I don't see the need to change anything or make them better.
Have you ever built a dawt to plateau? I'm not trying to talk shit here, but from your retired and current player lot (granted you could have unnamed folk) it doesn't appear you've even experienced plateau. You seem content on just playing the building game. That's fine. That's your prerogative. But you and Dub J are clearly on a mission to deny something that clearly has 0 impact on how you guys play this game. Neither of you guys are concerned with plateau or the top tier leagues in this game.

This suggestion only concerns plateau dawts.. with which you guys have never really experienced nor care to partake in... so IMO, you guys really have no business even discussing your opposition to this. You have no relevant experience on the topic. You're competency on the subject is subpar.

I've never had a dot in plateau?


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Originally posted by Homage

Have you ever built a dawt to plateau? I'm not trying to talk shit here, but from your retired and current player lot (granted you could have unnamed folk) it doesn't appear you've even experienced plateau. You seem content on just playing the building game. That's fine. That's your prerogative. But you and Dub J are clearly on a mission to deny something that clearly has 0 impact on how you guys play this game. Neither of you guys are concerned with plateau or the top tier leagues in this game.

This suggestion only concerns plateau dawts.. with which you guys have never really experienced nor care to partake in... so IMO, you guys really have no business even discussing your opposition to this. You have no relevant experience on the topic. You're competency on the subject is subpar.

Lol.. no plateau for me huh? Ok.. lol..

Anyways.. lets look at your reasoning here. You claim that the lack of resets keeps you from being competitive at higher leagues. Well, assuming your opponents are in the same league... the lack of resets wouldn't affect your competitiveness one bit as they are facing the same "limitations" as you are.

I still see it as a non issue as Bort gives a complete reset for VAs that are drastically changed and enough reset points in general to overcome your inability to plan your dots future. If you built the dot right in the first place, you shouldn't need the resets. The only reason you should use all resets if you built right and safe, in my opinion, is a significant change to a dot's role such as going from starter to STOP. And even that isn't that hard to do.

Dots aren't meant to last forever. There is incentive to start over. That's why there is decline. Plateau was designed to give a person a short reprieve before decline started.

I just retired a dot a few days ago that had one season of plateau left. I was bored with him after looking at that dot for so many seasons, tbh.

Originally posted by sehorn31
Alot of things changes from Season to Season and every Team is different for the most part. Alot of Agents have journeymen Player's and there Roles on each Team might change from Season to Season. I think this would help Teams work together more.

As I stated before in my OP above, I might have a Combo Back FB and was used as a Short Yardage Specialist this Season and next Season, I need to Focus more on being a Blocker. Why would anyone discourage Player's adjusting things to help the needs of the Team that Season. It's not good the way it is and everyone that has given this a -1 isn't making as good of an argument to not change it as I am to make the change!!

Originally posted by Dub J
I just retired a dot a few days ago that had one season of plateau left. I was bored with him after looking at that dot for so many seasons, tbh.





Your also making my point about the Plateau Dots Dub, What if after your "bored" you could change things up and do something different, specially if the Coaches ask you to because of a Team need? Keeping Agent's interested in the Dots is good for the Game!!

Originally posted by JcWildcat
Originally posted by sehorn31

We can't vote on when Sim changes happen

You do realize this is Bort's game right?


You do realize without us die hard Agents, Bort's Game would be played by Catch, DD and himself!! What a silly thing to say from a Mod!! To hear that makes me what to say he can have his Game and I'll spend my $$ elsewhere!! Your not doing Bort any favors with that Comment JC and tbh, I wouldn't expect that from you!!