Originally posted by Todd Toddy
as ej said, GCV is 14th...
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as ej said, GCV is 14th...
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Originally posted by Todd Toddy
as ej said, GCV is 14th...
Thanks for the example!
IMO, a difference of less than 50 is a surmountable obstacle and no excuse for a blowout. If you lose, the other team was just better, dots and coordinators, on average. Even if you just had bad luck vs. theirs in the game plan, they were better that day and you can't argue it.
Now if you're-100, that probably is too much of a disadvantage to overcome, but whining about it will not win you any points. Find two teams in network with similar levels, game plan a couple just to get a feel for them, then challenge a team at a similar EL in the other network with the express purpose of an even test between two coordinators. Put up or shut up.
What do you expect people to say? "You're obviously a top-flight OC even though you can't beat a winning team. It's just your EL that holds you back." If it's true and you want to make the point, state your credentials and get a better team to lead. If you're unwilling to do that for any reason, worthy or not, don't expect too much benefit of the doubt in a game about competition.
There's a good chance EAG is our first opponent in the playoffs. They have about a +35 average on us. If we lose, it won't just be due to that and I'll admit it. If we win, we definitely out-planned them. Then again, I don't claim to be a top-flight OC.
as ej said, GCV is 14th...
Thanks for the example!
IMO, a difference of less than 50 is a surmountable obstacle and no excuse for a blowout. If you lose, the other team was just better, dots and coordinators, on average. Even if you just had bad luck vs. theirs in the game plan, they were better that day and you can't argue it.
Now if you're-100, that probably is too much of a disadvantage to overcome, but whining about it will not win you any points. Find two teams in network with similar levels, game plan a couple just to get a feel for them, then challenge a team at a similar EL in the other network with the express purpose of an even test between two coordinators. Put up or shut up.
What do you expect people to say? "You're obviously a top-flight OC even though you can't beat a winning team. It's just your EL that holds you back." If it's true and you want to make the point, state your credentials and get a better team to lead. If you're unwilling to do that for any reason, worthy or not, don't expect too much benefit of the doubt in a game about competition.
There's a good chance EAG is our first opponent in the playoffs. They have about a +35 average on us. If we lose, it won't just be due to that and I'll admit it. If we win, we definitely out-planned them. Then again, I don't claim to be a top-flight OC.
Edited by MissingNola on Jan 27, 2012 20:33:06
Edited by MissingNola on Jan 27, 2012 20:28:59
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Originally posted by JackBeQuick
I was just looking at remaining schedule, question is now will they be the first team in OPL history to start 7-1 and finish 8-8?
i had to go there, looks like schedule gets tough now. 
Prescient.
I was just looking at remaining schedule, question is now will they be the first team in OPL history to start 7-1 and finish 8-8?
i had to go there, looks like schedule gets tough now. Prescient.
Originally posted by MissingNola
Thanks for the example!
IMO, a difference of less than 50 is a surmountable obstacle and no excuse for a blowout. If you lose, the other team was just better, dots and coordinators, on average. Even if you just had bad luck vs. theirs in the game plan, they were better that day and you can't argue it.
Now if you're-100, that probably is too much of a disadvantage to overcome, but whining about it will not win you any points. Find two teams in network with similar levels, game plan a couple just to get a feel for them, then challenge a team at a similar EL in the other network with the express purpose of an even test between two coordinators. Put up or shut up.
What do you expect people to say? "You're obviously a top-flight OC even though you can't beat a winning team. It's just your EL that holds you back." If it's true and you want to make the point, state your credentials and get a better team to lead. If you're unwilling to do that for any reason, worthy or not, don't expect too much benefit of the doubt in a game about competition.
There's a good chance EAG is our first opponent in the playoffs. They have about a +35 average on us. If we lose, it won't just be due to that and I'll admit it. If we win, we definitely out-planned them. Then again, I don't claim to be a top-flight OC.
Nola, you are the man. You just "get it."
We played many seasons in OPL, back in the EEA days, where we had no real EL compared to some teams, but we played people tough and we out gameplanned people when it came to the playoffs. We got wins because of it, just like our first couple seasons in WL, when we made playoffs with a very average EL team compared to the rest.
It can be done, just do it against someone else... lol
Thanks for the example!
IMO, a difference of less than 50 is a surmountable obstacle and no excuse for a blowout. If you lose, the other team was just better, dots and coordinators, on average. Even if you just had bad luck vs. theirs in the game plan, they were better that day and you can't argue it.
Now if you're-100, that probably is too much of a disadvantage to overcome, but whining about it will not win you any points. Find two teams in network with similar levels, game plan a couple just to get a feel for them, then challenge a team at a similar EL in the other network with the express purpose of an even test between two coordinators. Put up or shut up.
What do you expect people to say? "You're obviously a top-flight OC even though you can't beat a winning team. It's just your EL that holds you back." If it's true and you want to make the point, state your credentials and get a better team to lead. If you're unwilling to do that for any reason, worthy or not, don't expect too much benefit of the doubt in a game about competition.
There's a good chance EAG is our first opponent in the playoffs. They have about a +35 average on us. If we lose, it won't just be due to that and I'll admit it. If we win, we definitely out-planned them. Then again, I don't claim to be a top-flight OC.
Nola, you are the man. You just "get it."
We played many seasons in OPL, back in the EEA days, where we had no real EL compared to some teams, but we played people tough and we out gameplanned people when it came to the playoffs. We got wins because of it, just like our first couple seasons in WL, when we made playoffs with a very average EL team compared to the rest.
It can be done, just do it against someone else... lol
WL teams right now going back to Pro vs the ones staying
2-14 1276EL
2-14 1266EL
4-12 1315EL This is what happens when you give up on the season
6-10 1276EL
6-9-1 1292EL
7-9 1284EL
8-8 1383EL This is what happens when you think EL is going to win it all
8-8 1263EL
16-0 1328EL This is what happens when you GP and have a high EL
14-2 1278EL
11-5 1245EL
9-7 1301EL
9-7 1288EL
9-7 1281EL
9-7 1277EL
8-8 1238EL This is what happens when you GP
Game planning goes way farther than ELs do. EL does not take into effect # of AEQ each dot has too. I've seen dots with insane EL that only have 1 AEQ or even 0 AEQ and next to no SA's. EL is just a measure of how big your stick it, and not necessarily how you use it. Its completely a number to make you feel better about yourself.
2-14 1276EL
2-14 1266EL
4-12 1315EL This is what happens when you give up on the season
6-10 1276EL
6-9-1 1292EL
7-9 1284EL
8-8 1383EL This is what happens when you think EL is going to win it all
8-8 1263EL
16-0 1328EL This is what happens when you GP and have a high EL
14-2 1278EL
11-5 1245EL
9-7 1301EL
9-7 1288EL
9-7 1281EL
9-7 1277EL
8-8 1238EL This is what happens when you GP
Game planning goes way farther than ELs do. EL does not take into effect # of AEQ each dot has too. I've seen dots with insane EL that only have 1 AEQ or even 0 AEQ and next to no SA's. EL is just a measure of how big your stick it, and not necessarily how you use it. Its completely a number to make you feel better about yourself.
Edited by gbororats on Jan 29, 2012 13:35:01
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Originally posted by gbororats
WL teams right now going back to Pro vs the ones staying
2-14 1276EL
2-14 1266EL
4-12 1315EL This is what happens when you give up on the season
6-10 1276EL
6-9-1 1292EL
7-9 1284EL
8-8 1383EL This is what happens when you think EL is going to win it all
8-8 1263EL
16-0 1328EL This is what happens when you GP and have a high EL
14-2 1278EL
11-5 1245EL
9-7 1301EL
9-7 1288EL
9-7 1281EL
9-7 1277EL
8-8 1238EL This is what happens when you GP
Game planning goes way farther than ELs do. EL does not take into effect # of AEQ each dot has too. I've seen dots with insane EL that only have 1 AEQ or even 0 AEQ and next to no SA's. EL is just a measure of how big your stick it, and not necessarily how you use it. Its completely a number to make you feel better about yourself.
I agree and I disagree with parts of your post.
Having 2 or 3 Centers with 2000 SP value and a kicker and punter with 2000 sp value alters EL a bit.
The positions where EL matter are QB, HB, and defensive secondary.
WL teams right now going back to Pro vs the ones staying
2-14 1276EL
2-14 1266EL
4-12 1315EL This is what happens when you give up on the season
6-10 1276EL
6-9-1 1292EL
7-9 1284EL
8-8 1383EL This is what happens when you think EL is going to win it all
8-8 1263EL
16-0 1328EL This is what happens when you GP and have a high EL
14-2 1278EL
11-5 1245EL
9-7 1301EL
9-7 1288EL
9-7 1281EL
9-7 1277EL
8-8 1238EL This is what happens when you GP
Game planning goes way farther than ELs do. EL does not take into effect # of AEQ each dot has too. I've seen dots with insane EL that only have 1 AEQ or even 0 AEQ and next to no SA's. EL is just a measure of how big your stick it, and not necessarily how you use it. Its completely a number to make you feel better about yourself.
I agree and I disagree with parts of your post.
Having 2 or 3 Centers with 2000 SP value and a kicker and punter with 2000 sp value alters EL a bit.
The positions where EL matter are QB, HB, and defensive secondary.
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Originally posted by gbororats
WL teams right now going back to Pro vs the ones staying
2-14 1276EL
2-14 1266EL
4-12 1315EL This is what happens when you give up on the season
6-10 1276EL
6-9-1 1292EL
7-9 1284EL
8-8 1383EL This is what happens when you think EL is going to win it all
8-8 1263EL
16-0 1328EL This is what happens when you GP and have a high EL
14-2 1278EL
11-5 1245EL
9-7 1301EL
9-7 1288EL
9-7 1281EL
9-7 1277EL
8-8 1238EL This is what happens when you GP
Game planning goes way farther than ELs do. EL does not take into effect # of AEQ each dot has too. I've seen dots with insane EL that only have 1 AEQ or even 0 AEQ and next to no SA's. EL is just a measure of how big your stick it, and not necessarily how you use it. Its completely a number to make you feel better about yourself.
so what you are saying is Blaze are better but had really shitty chemistry
WL teams right now going back to Pro vs the ones staying
2-14 1276EL
2-14 1266EL
4-12 1315EL This is what happens when you give up on the season
6-10 1276EL
6-9-1 1292EL
7-9 1284EL
8-8 1383EL This is what happens when you think EL is going to win it all
8-8 1263EL
16-0 1328EL This is what happens when you GP and have a high EL
14-2 1278EL
11-5 1245EL
9-7 1301EL
9-7 1288EL
9-7 1281EL
9-7 1277EL
8-8 1238EL This is what happens when you GP
Game planning goes way farther than ELs do. EL does not take into effect # of AEQ each dot has too. I've seen dots with insane EL that only have 1 AEQ or even 0 AEQ and next to no SA's. EL is just a measure of how big your stick it, and not necessarily how you use it. Its completely a number to make you feel better about yourself.
so what you are saying is Blaze are better but had really shitty chemistry
Edited by Timetoshine-Beta on Jan 29, 2012 21:15:12
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Originally posted by bug03
I agree and I disagree with parts of your post.
Having 2 or 3 Centers with 2000 SP value and a kicker and punter with 2000 sp value alters EL a bit.
The positions where EL matter are QB, HB, and defensive secondary.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1802179
1300 eff. level
offensive MVP in OPL zeta, s24 and 26! BOOM! i really have no idea what a good eff. level is for a QB since i have always built my dots around my own strategy and could care less about their eff. level. I just care about performance!
I agree and I disagree with parts of your post.
Having 2 or 3 Centers with 2000 SP value and a kicker and punter with 2000 sp value alters EL a bit.
The positions where EL matter are QB, HB, and defensive secondary.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1802179
1300 eff. level
offensive MVP in OPL zeta, s24 and 26! BOOM! i really have no idea what a good eff. level is for a QB since i have always built my dots around my own strategy and could care less about their eff. level. I just care about performance!
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Originally posted by SLZmonster
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1802179
1300 eff. level
offensive MVP in OPL zeta, s24 and 26! BOOM! i really have no idea what a good eff. level is for a QB since i have always built my dots around my own strategy and could care less about their eff. level. I just care about performance!
we love Mickey!!
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1802179
1300 eff. level
offensive MVP in OPL zeta, s24 and 26! BOOM! i really have no idea what a good eff. level is for a QB since i have always built my dots around my own strategy and could care less about their eff. level. I just care about performance!
we love Mickey!!
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Originally posted by SLZmonster
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1802179
1300 eff. level
offensive MVP in OPL zeta, s24 and 26! BOOM! i really have no idea what a good eff. level is for a QB since i have always built my dots around my own strategy and could care less about their eff. level. I just care about performance!
Another case in point. That's pretty low EL for a QB, but if the SP are where they need to be to do what you want him to, that's what's more important.
That brings into this mix how dots are designed. Many go all-out on the build to max just a few atts which leads to a very high EL and one that, in a specific role, is very tough to beat. Others try to make a dot a little bit of everything, which makes him excel at none but capable of filling a number of roles. These can let a good OC make an unpredictable offense, but leads to a low EL. (Sorry, I'm stuck on O right now.) Then there are all points in between. The marriage of dots with the OC's approach is the key to a good offense.
As we get to future seasons with (hopefully) less tampering with the sim and build process, I think the real challenge with dot building will become striking the right balance between max building around core atts and giving the dot enough versatility to do more than one type of play. I'm really thinking of the skill positions here, but I don't see O-line builds changing that much, unless something gets Borted.
I wish I had all of this figured out (or at least to the point I have now) when we started the Baggers! Somewhere in the next few seasons it will start again... several months from now, you're all ded!
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1802179
1300 eff. level
offensive MVP in OPL zeta, s24 and 26! BOOM! i really have no idea what a good eff. level is for a QB since i have always built my dots around my own strategy and could care less about their eff. level. I just care about performance!
Another case in point. That's pretty low EL for a QB, but if the SP are where they need to be to do what you want him to, that's what's more important.
That brings into this mix how dots are designed. Many go all-out on the build to max just a few atts which leads to a very high EL and one that, in a specific role, is very tough to beat. Others try to make a dot a little bit of everything, which makes him excel at none but capable of filling a number of roles. These can let a good OC make an unpredictable offense, but leads to a low EL. (Sorry, I'm stuck on O right now.) Then there are all points in between. The marriage of dots with the OC's approach is the key to a good offense.
As we get to future seasons with (hopefully) less tampering with the sim and build process, I think the real challenge with dot building will become striking the right balance between max building around core atts and giving the dot enough versatility to do more than one type of play. I'm really thinking of the skill positions here, but I don't see O-line builds changing that much, unless something gets Borted.
I wish I had all of this figured out (or at least to the point I have now) when we started the Baggers! Somewhere in the next few seasons it will start again... several months from now, you're all ded!
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Originally posted by SLZmonster
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1802179
1300 eff. level
offensive MVP in OPL zeta, s24 and 26! BOOM! i really have no idea what a good eff. level is for a QB since i have always built my dots around my own strategy and could care less about their eff. level. I just care about performance!
Offensive MVP is not technically how good the player is...the players surrounding a QB helps make him great...without a good line/good receivers, a good QB can be terrible and vice versa. I never like MVP stuff because it's exemplifies one player even though it took more than just that one player to make him good. I think S25 for him is a prime example of that.
Either way, not a knock on your dot, but a knock on the MVP system....Good job winning it this season though! Congrats.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1802179
1300 eff. level
offensive MVP in OPL zeta, s24 and 26! BOOM! i really have no idea what a good eff. level is for a QB since i have always built my dots around my own strategy and could care less about their eff. level. I just care about performance!
Offensive MVP is not technically how good the player is...the players surrounding a QB helps make him great...without a good line/good receivers, a good QB can be terrible and vice versa. I never like MVP stuff because it's exemplifies one player even though it took more than just that one player to make him good. I think S25 for him is a prime example of that.
Either way, not a knock on your dot, but a knock on the MVP system....Good job winning it this season though! Congrats.
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