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Originally posted by Kirghiz
Originally posted by yello1

IMO More of this would be bad for the game.


Of course it would. That is why you do it. Could you imagine the butthurt of people that lost games to Yello1's team full of CPU dots? They'd fix them for sure then.

Heh that would be amusing but I don't know the tricks of the CPU trade to make them work. Other than possession WRs.

But I tend to use my noncontending teams as homes for the wayward and decrepit. Every CPU player is some poor kid who cant boost or some old timer who cant say goodbye being sad and lonely without a team. Couldn't go there. Too mean.

Originally posted by lhass
By "kicked tail" I meant they had some impressive wins as a group. Demon beat some of the high seed teams that made the playoffs, etc and I realize they also lost badly to other teams. Devonport even lost to a team with an average level in the 40+ range if memory serves. It is over and done but the insults to our team and players goes on without letup. Ok I admit we are terrible at gameplanning, our builds stink, and we beat every team in our conference with pure luck. Now - leave the CPU teams alone, they have problems other than our constant complaining to deal with. Really glad we are not in the ELITE leagues based on the attitude of their owners we have seen in this thread. Losing to one of them would bring on months of trash talking.

The problem is that before CPUs got a buff the same owners bitched about everything else under the sun and had other excuses as to why they lost. I can promise you that the same people (some who are posting ITT) will be making horrible suggestions well after a giant CPU nerf because they still won't be able to win.

In other words, I wouldn't give a shit one way or the other if it wasn't for all the QQing.

Originally posted by lhass
By "kicked tail" I meant they had some impressive wins as a group. Demon beat some of the high seed teams that made the playoffs, etc and I realize they also lost badly to other teams. Devonport even lost to a team with an average level in the 40+ range if memory serves.
The mistake you're making is assuming that these CPU teams are beating good human teams. Again, I point out: A.) these human teams are in Competitive, which means they weren't good enough to stay in Elite, and B.) they're losing to CPU-roster teams. Sorry, but a CPU-roster team beating a human-roster team that isn't good enough to stay in Elite. Is. Not. Impressive.

Originally posted by lhass
Ok I admit we are terrible at gameplanning, our builds stink, and we beat every team in our conference with pure luck. Now - leave the CPU teams alone, they have problems other than our constant complaining to deal with.
Like I said above, just eliminate CPU dots altogether if you hate 'em so much. Then, instead of losing to CPU-roster teams 32-30 ( http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1880743 ), you'll lose to better human teams like Purple Haze Jesus Saves 32-13. That's way more fun, right?

Originally posted by lhass
Really glad we are not in the ELITE leagues based on the attitude of their owners we have seen in this thread.
Believe me, I'm glad you're not either. Playing against you would be boring.

Originally posted by yello1
But Its like saying the family whose Toyota drove them off a cliff shoulda taken a defensive driving course. It misses the point, to say the least.

In response to that, I'd say put up a guardrail.

Problem is, some drivers are so bad that they'd still drive off the road with enough speed to break through the guardrail.

Whose fault is that? At what point do you stop blaming the cliff or the guard rail and start blaming the bad driver?

That's why I'm in favor of both guardrails AND defensive driving courses. And I'm also in favor of a chemistry hit to CPU-heavy rosters AND telling bad owners to learn how to play better if they're tired of losing to CPU-heavy rosters.

I'm pretty sure this is irony at it's finest.

Bad owners were behind the CPU buff because they couldn't/wouldn't recruit.

Now bad owners are behind nerfing CPUs because they are beating their teams.

I agree, recruiting should be as much a part of the sim as anything, and if a team is bad at recruiting and can only get CPU dots then they deserve to have them hurt the team.

Originally posted by Novus
In response to that, I'd say put up a guardrail.

Problem is, some drivers are so bad that they'd still drive off the road with enough speed to break through the guardrail.

Whose fault is that? At what point do you stop blaming the cliff or the guard rail and start blaming the bad driver?

That's why I'm in favor of both guardrails AND defensive driving courses. And I'm also in favor of a chemistry hit to CPU-heavy rosters AND telling bad owners to learn how to play better if they're tired of losing to CPU-heavy rosters.

LOL

Okay, fair nuff.

But just to reiterate, this goes way beyond the owner's shorts being steamed and is as much or more about the players who are finding seating limited because some damned android has his locker.

Originally posted by yello1
this is about the players who are finding seating limited because some damned android has his locker.

If an owner would rather have a CPU dot instead of a certain human dot, than that human dot probably doesn't need a seat or a locker to begin with.

Originally posted by Dub J
The problem is that before CPUs got a buff the same owners bitched about everything else under the sun and had other excuses as to why they lost. I can promise you that the same people (some who are posting ITT) will be making horrible suggestions well after a giant CPU nerf because they still won't be able to win.

Yeah, like the twisted illogical simulation with non existent documentation filled with arcane tricks exploits and counter-intuitive strategies contained only by whispered word of mouth recorded in network chat or hidden in the dark corners of the forums amidst contradictory observations, advice, rumors, speculation and innuendo usually wrong and damaging and even if right often outdated by a nerf or three or ten, like none of THAT was a reason to complain about a game where the average team owner can be pouring hundreds of bucks a month into playing a game that was ultimately a booby trap for anyone who did not dedicate ridiculous amounts of time to sniffing out the rare tidbit of true guidance or lucky enough to network with those that did.

Yeah, none of THAT happened. We all just suck, its all our fault. We should have just shot ourselves and stopped wasting desperately needed consumables so that the uber gamers of Africa and India could survive to win another tourney.

Originally posted by Kirghiz
If an owner would rather have a CPU dot instead of a certain human dot, than that human dot probably doesn't need a seat or a locker to begin with.



The growing trend of the all CPU clubs, even at National Pro level, suggests otherwise.

But deservin's got nothing to do with it.

Its about Bort making enough money to keep our little hobby extant. If you run the less than geeky enough to be perfect gamers out the door, we will all soon follow them as Bort closes shop to start making facebook games.

Originally posted by yello1
we will all soon follow them as Bort closes shop to start making facebook games.

He'd probably make more if GLB was a facebook game, but that's another thread entirely.

.Originally posted by yello1

But just to reiterate, this goes way beyond the owner's shorts being steamed and is as much or more about the players who are finding seating limited because some damned android has his locker.


This the one part of your argument that I simply do not agree with at all. Whether CPUs were good, bad or ugly, no humans were going to be on my team this season. None were going to be on evileyez's Hellas Hoplites team. We were parking our teams in Reg Pro for different reasons (I know this because I have talked to ee about it), but neither reason would have led us to have human players, regardless of our success or failure this season.

When I demoted Devonport to Regional Pro, it was not to win a trophy. It was because I did not want to give up a team that I have owned for 16 seasons and might decide to start back up. Have I enjoyed having CPU players that actually do what the gameplan says to do? Yes! However, to be clear, CPU player quality did not cost a single human a roster spot on my team or any of the other CPU teams that I have talked with. If they announce that they are adding a Chem hit and increasing the attribute penalty to 30%, I will still trot out my CPU players next season.

Originally posted by yello1
The growing trend of the all CPU clubs, even at National Pro level, suggests otherwise.

But deservin's got nothing to do with it.

Its about Bort making enough money to keep our little hobby extant. If you run the less than geeky enough to be perfect gamers out the door, we will all soon follow them as Bort closes shop to start making facebook games.

That sounds like the argument people were making against non-boosters. To hear them tell it, the minors were full of non-boost teams. The fact of the matter was while bringing three different teams up through the minors I only encountered one non-boost squad.

Same with this whole notion that CPUs are overpowered and people are flocking to have CPU rosters. There were shitloads of CPU rosters before the CPU buff.

Originally posted by yello1
For instance

The WEAK are half your player base or more.

If GLB DOESNT consider them in its game design, GLB will be defunct toot sweet.

lol u telling me half the user base are losing to cpu teams lol ur stretching

like i said before cpu dots can only be so good so if u are losing to cpu dots that means ur dot sucks and needs to retire.