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Originally posted by Joe_B
Originally posted by Clinton Esquire

Originally posted by Joe_B


Originally posted by Clinton Esquire




You're that alright.

So should a paying customer be forced to eat a meal at a restaurant that he doesn't like or didn't order?

It's one thing to sign up for a bad deal and then fail to remember you signed up for the bad deal in the first place. It's another thing to suggest that when the GLB mods come in and say, "We're giving your team to jackass #32," that we should have to stick out and honor our 10 year contracts which were signed up for under a different set of circumstances.

Even the NCAA allows students to transfer schools when the coach that they signed up under leaves... this isn't much different, is it? And what do you care if the league you were in has a team which is no longer as dominant - that is one less factor you have to worry about.

They could've played out to the end of the season. Does the NCAA allow the transfers to go through mid season? And as far as why i care, i like the competition.

Generally coaches don't leave midseason - you might be able to cite a few examples but usually they are fired for poor performance, and some of that has to fall on the shoulders of the players who agreed to play for the coach at the beginning of the season.

I understand the competition argument, and it is a valid one - however I signed up for USAORG, not the USAORG Exiles - the mods have made the decision that the team will go to someone new (probably some jackass who has no idea how to run a team), rather than letting us finish out the season with the current set of GM's we have.

So let me ask you, is your beef with us or with the mods if what I have said in the above paragraph is 100% correct?

Both. The way i see it, you guys could finish the season and the admins should've done what they could to keep the teams together.

I'm with you on that 100%... a guy, even though he went inactive for 2 weeks, paid for an entire season and set his team up with competent GM's and a good set of players, but the admins/mods/owners of this game - with one PM every 24 hours (nevermind we're talking about 2 teams and... what... 40-50 real life human beings affected by it? We can only get 1-2 PM's every 24 hours?) slowly, with half explanations, and without a clear set of defined rules, decided that they were just going to move the team to someone new because he was inactive for 2 weeks.

In my opinion, how the GLB staff handled this situation was wrong. Maybe it's because I haven't read the bylaws, rules, and fine print well enough - but I think they really dropped the ball with this one. The team should have finished out the season, the players on the team should have left in the offseason - and you and I wouldn't be here having this conversation right now. But they did what they did for whatever reasons they have. I'm not exactly sure why anyone would want to take a team over midseason - but that is what we have to live by I guess.

Originally posted by boondocksaint
If you all at "USAORG" are as dedicated as you'd like to think that your are... make sure that everyone has that one year end on day forty contract and f'ing man up about it?! How hard is it honestly to ride out 20+ DAYS on a contract?

I do agree that the current GMs should be able to run the team, at least for the remainder of this season. Rules are rules though, and why the hell should you all be given preferential treatment for taking a team over just because you've decided that your little popsicle gang can't hang together as you'd planned?

Newsflash... not everyone here knows everyone here. I might sign a contract with the best intentions and best feeling in the world about a team only to find out a week later that the owner actually isn't living up to what I originally thought. So, OBVIOUSLY, I should then just be cut or traded on a whim whenever wherever?!

Shut up. Actually, better yet, talk to your mommy about it as apparently she's held your hand this far in life. You should probably get her to get Bort's home contact info and let him know certified mail that her precious little baby isn't being satisfied according to his ever changing pre-pubescent whim...

Or maybe I'm just jaded.

Awww, hi crybaby. How are you doing tonight? Do you need a lolly?

Get a clue. We're probably dedicated to this organization. You even say you agree with what we want... but here you are spewing filth like you're something that matters.

I'm nobody here and I don't pretend to be.

I do agree with your sentiment, but facts are facts and we're in our big boy pants now.

Originally posted by boondocksaint
I'm nobody here and I don't pretend to be.

I do agree with your sentiment, but facts are facts and we're in our big boy pants now.

Yes we are - and since we have our big boy pants on - I paid to be part of something that the staff here at GLB decided they would change.

I'm a paying customer. Facts are facts, and to take something away that had been purchased previously for an entire season and left in the good hands of the GM's is not the way to handle things.

I understand the anger, or maybe it's just some hatin', but whatever it is I think we should look at some constructive ways to address the issue - if we can agree on what the issue here really is?

There's no anger or hatin'...

Sprovo is actually the one who introduced me to this game. You say that you can't understand why the admins would allow a team to be given to a new owner (one who has, by the way, waited a LONG time to get his/her team in their mind), well I can't understand why someone who was as dedicated as you say he was would just give up on multiple teams midseason. Is it fair? No. Is life fair?
Is it fair that the next owner will inherit a stripped team? Is it fair that he spent his money and waited (I think) months to get his team only to have it be a gutted team in a competitive league? Where does it end? At what point do we stop worrying about the "me" and become more concerned, as you say you are, with the "organization"?

Originally posted by boondocksaint
There's no anger or hatin'...

Sprovo is actually the one who introduced me to this game. You say that you can't understand why the admins would allow a team to be given to a new owner (one who has, by the way, waited a LONG time to get his/her team in their mind), well I can't understand why someone who was as dedicated as you say he was would just give up on multiple teams midseason. Is it fair? No. Is life fair?
Is it fair that the next owner will inherit a stripped team? Is it fair that he spent his money and waited (I think) months to get his team only to have it be a gutted team in a competitive league? Where does it end? At what point do we stop worrying about the "me" and being more concerned, as you say you are, with the "organization"?

You've asked a lot of questions, and I will try to answer them all.

I didn't "give up" on multiple teams - I decided that I was committed to one organization which has basically become a group of my friends and continued to support that organization. Is it fair? It's no less fair than taking something you had planned to at least be a part of for the rest of the season and giving it to some complete stranger. Is life fair? No, not really. If I was 4" taller I can guarantee you I would be in the NBA right now.

Is it fair the next owner will inherit a "stripped" team? Absolutely. A stripped team with 8 million in cash, a complete stadium, and in one of the most competitive leagues in the game - that is more than fair. You know what wouldn't be fair - if that owner was a member of the KKK, or if that owner had 42 of his own players that he needed to bring over to the team despite them being lower levels than myself, or if that owner demanded I do X in order to get some playing time... you've already made the point "is life fair," and the answer is no - but this guy taking over a team that just got quite a few assets, including the ability to recruit to one of the heaviest competition leagues - yea, he did get a fair shake. My contract didn't expire until season 12 - would it have been fair for him to bury me on the bench for whatever reason for that long? But again - life isn't fair.

Do you think the new owner even paid for this season? I really don't know - but I KNOW that Sprovo DID PAY FOR THIS ENTIRE SEASON - regardless of whether or not he went inactive, he paid the owner, Bort, of GLB the agreed upon sum to run a team for the entire year - if he chooses to leave the team in the hands of his GM's and watch from afar, that should be his right as a paying customer, yes/no? I see several owners out there with horrible teams that should probably be taken away from them if competition mattered, but they paid to own a team - and they get what they pay for, right?

There's absolutely no owner that "paid for a competitive team" at this point - it's an owner that paid for *a* team. Not a competitive one - the fact that he got a team in the USA AA #2 should be reason enough for him to cheer, right?

You say worrying about the "me" - but the "me" is what... 50 different human beings who all paid to play here, that were going to be affected by the decision, right?

Where do we draw the line? I signed a 10 year contract when those were still available to play under Sprovo - should I be expected to honor that contract to some guy that I've never spoken with or talked to, and might be any number of horrific individuals which seem to be common place on the internet today?

In a perfect world - we both agree the team should have been sold after the season was over. But this world ain't perfect, and what I would think is the easy solution - "This team has been paid for until the end of the season." - apparently wasn't "within the rules."

You quote "within the rules" as if you and I and your "organization's" players are the only paying customers on this site... simply not fact.
And to be quite honest, I don't care how much money you've left or how big your stadium is, facts are recruiting is tough. I've got a good team and some dedicated guys and and I still feel recruiting is tough... and I view myself and my team as one of the "lucky" ones in that aspect.
You're a GM correct? As I said earlier, resign yourself and your minions to end on day 40 contracts for this season, if it doesn't work out, you can be on your merry way. I promise that Sprovo wasn't the only dedicated owner, and judging by two weeks of inactivity, he's not even that anymore.
Here's an idea... you've got your group of "dedicated paying customers", why don't you ride it out through the season and see if maybe you could even help the new owner(s)? You guys seem to have accumulated some knowledge of the game, are you truly disfunctional without your MIA owner?

Originally posted by boondocksaint
You quote "within the rules" as if you and I and your "organization's" players are the only paying customers on this site... simply not fact.
And to be quite honest, I don't care how much money you've left or how big your stadium is, facts are recruiting is tough. I've got a good team and some dedicated guys and and I still feel recruiting is tough... and I view myself and my team as one of the "lucky" ones in that aspect.
You're a GM correct? As I said earlier, resign yourself and your minions to end on day 40 contracts for this season, if it doesn't work out, you can be on your merry way. I promise that Sprovo wasn't the only dedicated owner, and judging by two weeks of inactivity, he's not even that anymore.
Here's an idea... you've got your group of "dedicated paying customers", why don't you ride it out through the season and see if maybe you could even help the new owner(s)? You guys seem to have accumulated some knowledge of the game, are you truly disfunctional without your MIA owner?

You're right, we're not the only paying customers on this site - we don't pay for you to play, we play for ourselves to play.

You seem to think the new owner coming in will be Mr. Rogers with a great suit, trainset and the whole 9... in all liklihood maybe he isn't half bad, but if a guy has been on the wait list for this long he probably knows a thing or two about GLB and has his own plans for the team - which were not what I paid for, nor what the original owner of the team paid for.

I'm sure you think $$$ and how big a stadium is don't matter. Let me know how shelling out for the equipment upgrades at lvl 32 treat ya... a stadium someone else paid to build gets transferred? That's fine - I think that might be a HUGE selling point... but to say recruiting for starting positions and a decent squad would be tough, I guess I'd have to reply with I don't really know. I'm not a GM of anything.

I think what you said earlier is we should be allowed to play it out under our current GM's and inactive owner. But if you want to suggest we should have all been required to play out our contracts on day 40, I won't go against it - but the roster should have also been locked and the new owner shouldn't be allowed to make any changes to the roster, starting lineup, or depth chart. Right?

Are we disfunctional without our owner? No. We are completely functional.

Well if you're completely functional, then what is exactly the issue? You've got GMs right? Even if you aren't one... someone within your organization must have the ability to resign players.

I really do think it's kind of a raw deal to have your owner go inactive, but why should the rest of the community/the next owner be forced to suffer for his misgivings? Maybe he just got in over his head and decided this was the only way he could easily be out, maybe he went to jail, maybe his mother died for all I know. I'm not knocking the guy, all I'm saying is that yeah, you signed up for his team, ok, did you know him personally prior to being introduced to this site? Was he your friend? If the answer to these questions is yes, well then I'd suppose you'd know what was going on with him and why he's gone now. If the answer to these questions is no, well then your time and money spent here is just like the rest of us...

sometimes easily well worth it, and other times frustrating as hell. Welcome to the way the world works. It's not just GLB (though I've got a hard time even convincing myself of that) out there. And, let's be honest, how much have you actually spent here? $5, $10, $70... $500? Any way you cut it, you spent your money and now you're just pissed that your beloved owner is gone. Did Bort/DD/Thorn kick him off the site? Did someone force him to go inactive for this long?

Yeah, he paid his money to own the team for the season(s?), and you paid your money to mold your player(s). I promise that your players won't disappear without Sprovo. They won't lose any XP, they won't get mad and perform poorly in your games. Your money for your players is still working for you the exact same way that you intended when you decided to purchase flex.

I must say I'd love to continue this conversation, but I must be off to bed. As much as I'd like sometimes to live here, the real world continues on...

If you'd like to continue the conversation, I'll be back bright and early before work

Yup, we have GM's - and who knows what the new owners plans would have been. Maybe they'd no longer be GM's.

The next owner doesn't have to suffer for anything. Why should the next owner be the beneficary of hard work that he might do nothing but undermine?

Have you ever been part of a horrible owner? Have you read some of the horror stories around here? Go check out the (insert a 1-37 teams) and the stories from some of the people on that franchise. A good friend of mine has a great one from a team that is honestly 1 and 30 right now.

You say my players won't lose XP or perform poorly in games? Why do you say that...? Can you promise me the new owner won't do anything differently? I'm still the starter over his lvl 9 players? I guess those are the rules at GLB... and it's a chance you take - but don't try to feel sorry for a guy you don't know.

I appreciate the game and have never had an bad word to speak about the staff/admin... but this rule of theirs is questionable at best, don't you think?

Originally posted by blurev
Originally posted by islander1

Franchises aren't dying if they have a new active owner.

Sounds like a pathetic attempt to justify you gutting two competitive teams to me. Appoint new GMs, work with the GLB staff to get teams transferred, and be done with it.

otherwise, you're 'organization' is no better then anyone else who's gutted a team - for example, 1/3 of USA Pro league.


No, they aren't dying in the sense they are "dead", but our claim to them is gone and if people do not wish to stay on the team, I feel as an active GM it is my duty to attempt to move them where they request. If your franchise was getting a new owner tomorrow, would you want to stay on the team or would you want to sign somewhere you have friends?

As for working with the GLB staff, I've been in PMs this week with Thorn, along with other GMs we have.

I guess we are truly "gutting" franchises considering the two we are leaving behind will have millions of dollars in the bank along with all the money spent on stadium construction. Not to mention the roster will be filled with players who have contracts that expire on Day 40, so they will have no salary to deal with and can build their team from scratch. That is a hell of a better deal than you would get starting out with the standard amount of cash.


What I'm not following is why you believe you'll lose the franchise(s).

I know first hand of a person who was a GM, had a 'dead' owner, and through Bort got the team transferred in ownership to him.

Is it not possible for the admins to just leave the ORG team unders Sprovo to expire at the end of the season? The teams continue to function till the end of the season, and then the team goes back to the pool. Players on the team rework to a 40-day expire contract, and the new owner has the offseason to work on the team.

Everyone would be happy then. Seems reasonable? I'm sure if the admins allowed that, then they would have no problems rescinding the trades, and everyone can move along now.

Sprovo's absence, unfortunately, has created a massive ripple effect across, and I think letting the team play out under the existing GMs till the end of the season would have the least impact. Unless you have ever had a player end up on a team without your consent, you would not understand the potential risk to the players of the agents are facing if the ownership of the team is transferred to a stranger. Though the season is about halfway through, I'm sure eveyone can understand how it would suck if you spent the remaining 17 days on so on the bench with just daily XP.

Islander, apparently teams where the owner goes inactive cannot be transferred to the GMs anymore, and will go back to the pool for redistribution.

Originally posted by Whitesun
Islander, apparently teams where the owner goes inactive cannot be transferred to the GMs anymore, and will go back to the pool for redistribution.

If that is the case, then the new team owner still has a right to the players on the team. Offloading players just because they were on the team for a different reason is completely and unequivocally gutting. It's no more then new owners fault that sporvo is gone then it is the players fault sporvo is gone.

When a team in pro sports is sold, it's not like all of the players go away. No, if there is an exodus off of that team in any shape or form, the team should simply be taken away. period.

I do think your previous post though about the end of season contracts would be a somewhat reasonable solution though.