Yah, not to mention they faced a basic defense in one of those games, accounting for the most of their 9WR catches and 5TE catches.
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No LE... don't bring facts into the conversation... all the haters won't have any reason to post anymore.
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24 of 30 to the Hbs/Fbs
6 of 9 to the TEs
29 of 70 to the Wrs
It will be interesting later on as the players get closer to 13 and the passing bonus disappears.
24 of 30 to the Hbs/Fbs
6 of 9 to the TEs
29 of 70 to the Wrs
It will be interesting later on as the players get closer to 13 and the passing bonus disappears.
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Originally posted by ManOgwaR
Originally posted by Nif
The amount of misinformation and and opinions being thrown around in this thread and others is astounding.
If the goal was to dumb down Pee Wee then I think they have done as much. The offenses that are being touted as adaptive and doing well are the same crap we ran in Silver leagues many seasons ago. Any person who thinks they are being innovative are fooling themselves. I can't believe there isn't more outcry over this. You want realism in WR/CB interaction but its ok to be able to rush 4 times and gaurantee yourself a first down? Its cool that your 15 catch having FB is better at catching passes than your capped WRs? You're really ok with that?
As it is pointed out so often, albeit mostly when it benefits your agendas, we pay a premium to participate in Pee Wee season after season. Why wouldn't we want all aspects of game planning to be viable options? Every owner of a current or former Gold team knows the lameness of the lolslam offense... its kinda ridiculous to expect anybody to take someone seriously who is defending it.
you assume a lot here so is just merely an opinion
who is to say going up against the right defense lolslam would work ...the only peeps crying about this are from the teams that have shown to be cripped by the new sims and haven't found a solution to them as yet, whereas it was ok last season when your teams dominated other less fortunate teams ...somones misfortune is another's gain ...I think that you poor bastards are just gonna have to lump it until yas find a solution like how less fortunate teams lumped it in previous seasons when they didn't get the formulas right ...too bad so sad ...good luck next season
Not sure if you're trying to insult me or just point out the obvious. The only thing crippling Lunch Box is our desire not to conform and the extreme effects the SIM changes had on Pee Wee passing. The problems plagueing our opponents last season had little to do with what everyone wants to say is to blame. Pump fake and deep routes weren't the reason for our passing success the previous two seasons. I can agree with your too bad so sad sentiment but I'm not sos sure what next seasons sim is going to look like either so it does me no good.
LE is pretty spot on about that passing success tho. Hell, our Silver team is leading all pee wee teams with any significant amount of attempts in completion % but almost two thirds of those went to a HB/FB.
Originally posted by Nif
The amount of misinformation and and opinions being thrown around in this thread and others is astounding.
If the goal was to dumb down Pee Wee then I think they have done as much. The offenses that are being touted as adaptive and doing well are the same crap we ran in Silver leagues many seasons ago. Any person who thinks they are being innovative are fooling themselves. I can't believe there isn't more outcry over this. You want realism in WR/CB interaction but its ok to be able to rush 4 times and gaurantee yourself a first down? Its cool that your 15 catch having FB is better at catching passes than your capped WRs? You're really ok with that?
As it is pointed out so often, albeit mostly when it benefits your agendas, we pay a premium to participate in Pee Wee season after season. Why wouldn't we want all aspects of game planning to be viable options? Every owner of a current or former Gold team knows the lameness of the lolslam offense... its kinda ridiculous to expect anybody to take someone seriously who is defending it.
you assume a lot here so is just merely an opinion
who is to say going up against the right defense lolslam would work ...the only peeps crying about this are from the teams that have shown to be cripped by the new sims and haven't found a solution to them as yet, whereas it was ok last season when your teams dominated other less fortunate teams ...somones misfortune is another's gain ...I think that you poor bastards are just gonna have to lump it until yas find a solution like how less fortunate teams lumped it in previous seasons when they didn't get the formulas right ...too bad so sad ...good luck next season
Not sure if you're trying to insult me or just point out the obvious. The only thing crippling Lunch Box is our desire not to conform and the extreme effects the SIM changes had on Pee Wee passing. The problems plagueing our opponents last season had little to do with what everyone wants to say is to blame. Pump fake and deep routes weren't the reason for our passing success the previous two seasons. I can agree with your too bad so sad sentiment but I'm not sos sure what next seasons sim is going to look like either so it does me no good.
LE is pretty spot on about that passing success tho. Hell, our Silver team is leading all pee wee teams with any significant amount of attempts in completion % but almost two thirds of those went to a HB/FB.
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Oh, I hadn't thought to mention that I had a team that was doing just fine passing this season... oh wait.. yes I did..
but don't worry... its me not being able to adapt... not that the sim is beyond awful.
but don't worry... its me not being able to adapt... not that the sim is beyond awful.
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Originally posted by Stoner DTD
No LE... don't bring facts into the conversation... all the haters won't have any reason to post anymore.
Actually...I'm back...and I'm not hating...
Yeah, it probably was wrong to use the word balanced LE, the sim favors runs over passes ATM, but I am replying to perma's "you cannot build a passing team" comment. Which is untrue (not sure if this is from this thread or the other thread).
Providence
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6 of 9 to the TEs
29 of 70 to the Wrs
Thats right where it should be to the WRs...a 40% completion rate imo...we aren't talking about developed dots or developed defenders, it really is a flip of a coin every single play at this point. Also, using PNP is a bad example, because we haven't been a pass first team since DB took over the offense at some point last season. We have played nothing but stout Ds and have managed a solid pass game. We have piggybacked a bit on the D earlier in the season...but at this rate, why do much different...
I argued all offseason with DB to make PNP into a UT Pimp style team but every time he said no they are going to nerf it...and I was actually pretty pissed at some points thinking that I would have to put in extra work to stay in gold and make the playoffs, but I was wrong, and passing was nerfed.
No LE... don't bring facts into the conversation... all the haters won't have any reason to post anymore.
Actually...I'm back...and I'm not hating...
Yeah, it probably was wrong to use the word balanced LE, the sim favors runs over passes ATM, but I am replying to perma's "you cannot build a passing team" comment. Which is untrue (not sure if this is from this thread or the other thread).
Providence
24 of 30 to the Hbs/Fbs
6 of 9 to the TEs
29 of 70 to the Wrs
Thats right where it should be to the WRs...a 40% completion rate imo...we aren't talking about developed dots or developed defenders, it really is a flip of a coin every single play at this point. Also, using PNP is a bad example, because we haven't been a pass first team since DB took over the offense at some point last season. We have played nothing but stout Ds and have managed a solid pass game. We have piggybacked a bit on the D earlier in the season...but at this rate, why do much different...
I argued all offseason with DB to make PNP into a UT Pimp style team but every time he said no they are going to nerf it...and I was actually pretty pissed at some points thinking that I would have to put in extra work to stay in gold and make the playoffs, but I was wrong, and passing was nerfed.
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Originally posted by Nif
The amount of misinformation and and opinions being thrown around in this thread and others is astounding.
If the goal was to dumb down Pee Wee then I think they have done as much. The offenses that are being touted as adaptive and doing well are the same crap we ran in Silver leagues many seasons ago. Any person who thinks they are being innovative are fooling themselves. I can't believe there isn't more outcry over this. You want realism in WR/CB interaction but its ok to be able to rush 4 times and gaurantee yourself a first down? Its cool that your 15 catch having FB is better at catching passes than your capped WRs? You're really ok with that?
As it is pointed out so often, albeit mostly when it benefits your agendas, we pay a premium to participate in Pee Wee season after season. Why wouldn't we want all aspects of game planning to be viable options? Every owner of a current or former Gold team knows the lameness of the lolslam offense... its kinda ridiculous to expect anybody to take someone seriously who is defending it.
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The amount of misinformation and and opinions being thrown around in this thread and others is astounding.
If the goal was to dumb down Pee Wee then I think they have done as much. The offenses that are being touted as adaptive and doing well are the same crap we ran in Silver leagues many seasons ago. Any person who thinks they are being innovative are fooling themselves. I can't believe there isn't more outcry over this. You want realism in WR/CB interaction but its ok to be able to rush 4 times and gaurantee yourself a first down? Its cool that your 15 catch having FB is better at catching passes than your capped WRs? You're really ok with that?
As it is pointed out so often, albeit mostly when it benefits your agendas, we pay a premium to participate in Pee Wee season after season. Why wouldn't we want all aspects of game planning to be viable options? Every owner of a current or former Gold team knows the lameness of the lolslam offense... its kinda ridiculous to expect anybody to take someone seriously who is defending it.
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Passing was overnerfed to the point that the run-heavy defenses of the old days are absolutely overpowered.
There I said it.
It isn't really that passing is weaker... its that the Run Heavy defense is OVERPOWERED
maybe you'll agree with it if I sell it another way... aye...
A team should NOT be able to hold a team to both a low rushing average and a low passing average using the SAME defense.
End of story.
Defense is no longer about playing the pass when you can... and strategy... its about how well you can stop the run, and that is IT.
Sure... you still have to cover everyone... but.... single coverage > last season's double coverage.... therefore the RUN HEAVY defense is EXTREMELY overpowered thus ultimately PREVENTING a pass heavy, or even a balanced attack from working.
There I said it.
It isn't really that passing is weaker... its that the Run Heavy defense is OVERPOWERED
maybe you'll agree with it if I sell it another way... aye...
A team should NOT be able to hold a team to both a low rushing average and a low passing average using the SAME defense.
End of story.
Defense is no longer about playing the pass when you can... and strategy... its about how well you can stop the run, and that is IT.
Sure... you still have to cover everyone... but.... single coverage > last season's double coverage.... therefore the RUN HEAVY defense is EXTREMELY overpowered thus ultimately PREVENTING a pass heavy, or even a balanced attack from working.
LordEvil
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Even when the Colts lose Manning will still have 300 yds passing and 2 Tds. They lose because of defense. Hey so does Short Bus. 
D~Town
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If I could of reclaimed 50% flex to cash. I would of already hit the FU button this season.
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Originally posted by Stoner DTD
Passing was overnerfed to the point that the run-heavy defenses of the old days are absolutely overpowered.
There I said it.
It isn't really that passing is weaker... its that the Run Heavy defense is OVERPOWERED
maybe you'll agree with it if I sell it another way... aye...
A team should NOT be able to hold a team to both a low rushing average and a low passing average using the SAME defense.
End of story.
Defense is no longer about playing the pass when you can... and strategy... its about how well you can stop the run, and that is IT.
Sure... you still have to cover everyone... but.... single coverage > last season's double coverage.... therefore the RUN HEAVY defense is EXTREMELY overpowered thus ultimately PREVENTING a pass heavy, or even a balanced attack from working.
That makes a lot more sense...thank you
I do believe that they go hand in hand but I see your point now.
Passing was overnerfed to the point that the run-heavy defenses of the old days are absolutely overpowered.
There I said it.
It isn't really that passing is weaker... its that the Run Heavy defense is OVERPOWERED
maybe you'll agree with it if I sell it another way... aye...
A team should NOT be able to hold a team to both a low rushing average and a low passing average using the SAME defense.
End of story.
Defense is no longer about playing the pass when you can... and strategy... its about how well you can stop the run, and that is IT.
Sure... you still have to cover everyone... but.... single coverage > last season's double coverage.... therefore the RUN HEAVY defense is EXTREMELY overpowered thus ultimately PREVENTING a pass heavy, or even a balanced attack from working.
That makes a lot more sense...thank you
I do believe that they go hand in hand but I see your point now.
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Originally posted by zmj44
That makes a lot more sense...thank you
I do believe that they go hand in hand but I see your point now.
Basically, you can put all 11 in the box for the run and not have to worry otherwise. A few seasons ago (before passing got super deadly), I used to have our rushing QB put a few points in throwing. I had 2 pass plays in a rushing package for the rushing QB. A team tagged him and brought all 11 guys up to the line of scrimmage and sent 10 to the backfield. He threw like 5 passes that day, completed 4 of them for like 280 yards and 4 TD's. You can't do that in today's SIM.
That makes a lot more sense...thank you
I do believe that they go hand in hand but I see your point now.
Basically, you can put all 11 in the box for the run and not have to worry otherwise. A few seasons ago (before passing got super deadly), I used to have our rushing QB put a few points in throwing. I had 2 pass plays in a rushing package for the rushing QB. A team tagged him and brought all 11 guys up to the line of scrimmage and sent 10 to the backfield. He threw like 5 passes that day, completed 4 of them for like 280 yards and 4 TD's. You can't do that in today's SIM.
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Originally posted by juiceweezl
Basically, you can put all 11 in the box for the run and not have to worry otherwise. A few seasons ago (before passing got super deadly), I used to have our rushing QB put a few points in throwing. I had 2 pass plays in a rushing package for the rushing QB. A team tagged him and brought all 11 guys up to the line of scrimmage and sent 10 to the backfield. He threw like 5 passes that day, completed 4 of them for like 280 yards and 4 TD's. You can't do that in today's SIM.
11 is an overexaggeration much? If a team puts 11 in the box an outside run is a TD or a pass lol
Basically, you can put all 11 in the box for the run and not have to worry otherwise. A few seasons ago (before passing got super deadly), I used to have our rushing QB put a few points in throwing. I had 2 pass plays in a rushing package for the rushing QB. A team tagged him and brought all 11 guys up to the line of scrimmage and sent 10 to the backfield. He threw like 5 passes that day, completed 4 of them for like 280 yards and 4 TD's. You can't do that in today's SIM.
11 is an overexaggeration much? If a team puts 11 in the box an outside run is a TD or a pass lol
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