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He treats us like we are a capped minors league, when we are more like the WL, PL, AAA
He treats us like we are a capped minors league, when we are more like the WL, PL, AAA
Forum > Pee Wee Leagues > Silver League Shuffle
Uncle Si
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Originally posted by muddygrimes
this will teach us to talk about not boosting and not buying custom.
joke is on us.
I kinda agree
this will teach us to talk about not boosting and not buying custom.
joke is on us.
I kinda agree
SmoothCaramel
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If the reason was to keep Copper rivalries, why not promote as many teams as possible directly into the same Silver league?
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BORT says.....
It was sorted by rivalry points this go around, in order to allow promoting copper teams to promote together instead of getting thrown around randomly as in the past. Since it has worked well in the minors, and pee wee follows a very similar structure, pee wee made sense to use this as well.
Can it be undone? Nope.
Will the CPUs get filled? The CPU teams will be sold to wait listers as usual. If there's too many CPU's when we're done (meaning not enough coppers to promote), we will kill off some silver leagues next season to condense.
It was sorted by rivalry points this go around, in order to allow promoting copper teams to promote together instead of getting thrown around randomly as in the past. Since it has worked well in the minors, and pee wee follows a very similar structure, pee wee made sense to use this as well.
Can it be undone? Nope.
Will the CPUs get filled? The CPU teams will be sold to wait listers as usual. If there's too many CPU's when we're done (meaning not enough coppers to promote), we will kill off some silver leagues next season to condense.
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They did a good job with a few silver leagues though tbh, silver #3 for example looks tough, if only the same were to happen with the rest of the silver leagues. I reckon its something we should try first before judging, who knows it might actually be a good thing.
The amount of CPU teams in Silver is ridiculous though - If you buy your first team you should start in Copper, and do well enough in your 1st season, you go into Silver.
The amount of CPU teams in Silver is ridiculous though - If you buy your first team you should start in Copper, and do well enough in your 1st season, you go into Silver.
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Originally posted by Thunder66
When I figure out why the lesser teams deserve a free ride and the better teams deserve to be punished for the effort they put forward I'll let you know, until then WTF were you thinking Bort?
This is not parity, it's simply a new form of 'clusterfuck'.
When I figure out why the lesser teams deserve a free ride and the better teams deserve to be punished for the effort they put forward I'll let you know, until then WTF were you thinking Bort?
This is not parity, it's simply a new form of 'clusterfuck'.
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The other HUGE problem will be with at-large promotions to gold. We're going to get a bunch of really crappy 16-0 teams advancing over some very tough 15-1, 14-2, 13-3 teams.
PING72
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Seriously....I'm not even in Silver anymore, but I'm pissed off of principle. This is a really, really, really stupid idea.
Unfortunately, BORT doesn't care or pay attention to PeeWee so he doesn't realize how stupid this is.
What would happen if every year they shuffled all of the existing Pro teams into one conference and had promoted AAA teams in the other? Think the owners up there would allow that??
BORT-The PeeWee Structure is NOTHING like the minors!! It's more like AAA-PRO-WL. Do you really not see the problem of putting all of the really good existing teams into one half of the league (along with a handful of lesser teams), and all of the promoted copper teams in the other half (where there are maybe 1-3 decent teams total)?
Do you not see how that would affect gold promotion with at-large teams??
Unfortunately, BORT doesn't care or pay attention to PeeWee so he doesn't realize how stupid this is.
What would happen if every year they shuffled all of the existing Pro teams into one conference and had promoted AAA teams in the other? Think the owners up there would allow that??
BORT-The PeeWee Structure is NOTHING like the minors!! It's more like AAA-PRO-WL. Do you really not see the problem of putting all of the really good existing teams into one half of the league (along with a handful of lesser teams), and all of the promoted copper teams in the other half (where there are maybe 1-3 decent teams total)?
Do you not see how that would affect gold promotion with at-large teams??
Edited by PING72 on May 20, 2010 11:31:15
Edited by PING72 on May 20, 2010 10:51:20
EatDaBeaver
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Originally posted by PING72
Seriously....I'm not even in Silver anymore, but I'm pissed off of principle. This is a really, really, really stupid idea.
Unfortunately, BORT doesn't care or pay attention to PeeWee so he doesn't realize how stupid this is.
What would happen if every year they shuffled all of the existing Pro teams into one conference and had promoted AAA teams in the other? Think the owners up there would allow that??
BORT-The PeeWee Structure is NOTHING like the minors!! It's more like AA-AAA-WL. Do you really not see the problem of putting all of the really good existing teams into one half of the league (along with a handful of lesser teams), and all of the promoted copper teams in the other half (where there are maybe 1-3 decent teams total)?
Do you not see how that would affect gold promotion with at-large teams??
In his defense this isn't the fault of the script, rather the number of teams that dropped out of silver this season.
If less teams drop out then we won't all fit into single conferences, and also remember that only right now all the teams you've got a lot of rivalry points with are going to be the better teams; clear cut and simple as the longer the team has been along the more rivalry points you have with them, and likely the better they are, and if he reduces the amount of silver spots, it will also be a more selective group of copper teams.
Essentially this system is perfectly capable of working itself out, we need to give it a chance, I do completely disagree with the way this was implemented without mention to us.
Remember, he did not split us up by team quality but rather by rivalry points, it just so happens that right now the teams with longer rivalries are the better teams, but it only takes time to sort this out.
This system honestly shows quite a bit more promise in actually functioning than the current system did, which actually failed pretty epicly, if you don't recall their were some HORRIBLE awful silver conferences last season too, and that was after that system had 10+ seasons to run its course, so clearly things weren't working well.
Seriously....I'm not even in Silver anymore, but I'm pissed off of principle. This is a really, really, really stupid idea.
Unfortunately, BORT doesn't care or pay attention to PeeWee so he doesn't realize how stupid this is.
What would happen if every year they shuffled all of the existing Pro teams into one conference and had promoted AAA teams in the other? Think the owners up there would allow that??
BORT-The PeeWee Structure is NOTHING like the minors!! It's more like AA-AAA-WL. Do you really not see the problem of putting all of the really good existing teams into one half of the league (along with a handful of lesser teams), and all of the promoted copper teams in the other half (where there are maybe 1-3 decent teams total)?
Do you not see how that would affect gold promotion with at-large teams??
In his defense this isn't the fault of the script, rather the number of teams that dropped out of silver this season.
If less teams drop out then we won't all fit into single conferences, and also remember that only right now all the teams you've got a lot of rivalry points with are going to be the better teams; clear cut and simple as the longer the team has been along the more rivalry points you have with them, and likely the better they are, and if he reduces the amount of silver spots, it will also be a more selective group of copper teams.
Essentially this system is perfectly capable of working itself out, we need to give it a chance, I do completely disagree with the way this was implemented without mention to us.
Remember, he did not split us up by team quality but rather by rivalry points, it just so happens that right now the teams with longer rivalries are the better teams, but it only takes time to sort this out.
This system honestly shows quite a bit more promise in actually functioning than the current system did, which actually failed pretty epicly, if you don't recall their were some HORRIBLE awful silver conferences last season too, and that was after that system had 10+ seasons to run its course, so clearly things weren't working well.
Edited by EatDaBeaver on May 20, 2010 11:02:17
Edited by EatDaBeaver on May 20, 2010 11:01:51
Edited by EatDaBeaver on May 20, 2010 11:01:16
Time Trial
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The best teams from Silver past have all been stuck together.
"This will work itself out in 10 seasons or so, so just stick it out, kay?"
Meanwhile shitty teams are going to get passes into Gold where they are promptly going to get curb-stomped.
Then when Bort runs his script again, he's STILL going to move all of the silver teams into the same league because they will have played each other and will have rivalry points.
This train wreck will not get better because the entire premise of the idea of wrong. If teams want to play against each other in Pee Wee they buy scrims.
Next thing you'll see is Bort sorting copper teams into Gold because they played a few Gold teams in ranked scrimmages.
EatDaBeaver
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Meanwhile shitty teams are going to get passes into Gold where they are promptly going to get curb-stomped.
Only POSSIBLY could this happen maybe once or twice every other season.... stop overreacting, as this same thing happened this season with the Hartford Shock with the old system.
I'll just have to disagree, and as Bort said it is working in the minors leagues, so the concept easily could apply, I actually agree now that a minor team is no more likely to be good in their first few seasons than a pee wee team, so whats the difference? It should work fine, the only difference being pee-wee is a bit more competitive, so this will likely just lead to a high drop out rate, but I still say we need to give it a chance, because change was OBVIOUSLY in order.
Only POSSIBLY could this happen maybe once or twice every other season.... stop overreacting, as this same thing happened this season with the Hartford Shock with the old system.
I'll just have to disagree, and as Bort said it is working in the minors leagues, so the concept easily could apply, I actually agree now that a minor team is no more likely to be good in their first few seasons than a pee wee team, so whats the difference? It should work fine, the only difference being pee-wee is a bit more competitive, so this will likely just lead to a high drop out rate, but I still say we need to give it a chance, because change was OBVIOUSLY in order.
jamz
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I'm not here to cause no trouble, I'm just here to do the Silver League Shuffle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJNC3dgreaU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJNC3dgreaU
Time Trial
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Originally posted by EatDaBeaver
Meanwhile shitty teams are going to get passes into Gold where they are promptly going to get curb-stomped.
Only POSSIBLY could this happen maybe once or twice every other season.... stop overreacting, as this same thing happened this season with the Hartford Shock with the old system.
I'll just have to disagree, and as Bort said it is working in the minors leagues, so the concept easily could apply, I actually agree now that a minor team is no more likely to be good in their first few seasons than a pee wee team, so whats the difference? It should work fine, the only difference being pee-wee is a bit more competitive, so this will likely just lead to a high drop out rate, but I still say we need to give it a chance, because change was OBVIOUSLY in order.
This isn't the minor leagues where teams move up caps based on performance.
This is the WL. This is the Pro League. This is AAA.
If Bort tried to put all of the Pro league teams into the same league and then have all the AAA teams move up to the same Pro league, he would have a riot on his hands.
You are out of your element.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjYJ7zZ9BRw
Meanwhile shitty teams are going to get passes into Gold where they are promptly going to get curb-stomped.
Only POSSIBLY could this happen maybe once or twice every other season.... stop overreacting, as this same thing happened this season with the Hartford Shock with the old system.
I'll just have to disagree, and as Bort said it is working in the minors leagues, so the concept easily could apply, I actually agree now that a minor team is no more likely to be good in their first few seasons than a pee wee team, so whats the difference? It should work fine, the only difference being pee-wee is a bit more competitive, so this will likely just lead to a high drop out rate, but I still say we need to give it a chance, because change was OBVIOUSLY in order.
This isn't the minor leagues where teams move up caps based on performance.
This is the WL. This is the Pro League. This is AAA.
If Bort tried to put all of the Pro league teams into the same league and then have all the AAA teams move up to the same Pro league, he would have a riot on his hands.
You are out of your element.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjYJ7zZ9BRw
EatDaBeaver
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Originally posted by Time Trial
This isn't the minor leagues where teams move up caps based on performance.
This is the WL. This is the Pro League. This is AAA.
If Bort tried to put all of the Pro league teams into the same league and then have all the AAA teams move up to the same Pro league, he would have a riot on his hands.
You are out of your element.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjYJ7zZ9BRw
Can't say I totally disagree with you that its not going to work out, but I can assure you any change is better than laying in stagnant filth, I know human nature says change is bad, and to be quite honest it will have a negative effect on the league come playoff time, but it will likely be the best regular season in silver history, so lets just calm down overreacting that maybe one or two crappy gold teams, that were getting in before anyway, may still get in, and focus on the fact that they noticed the stagnant fail of some of our crappy silver conferences and leagues and they made a change.
This isn't the minor leagues where teams move up caps based on performance.
This is the WL. This is the Pro League. This is AAA.
If Bort tried to put all of the Pro league teams into the same league and then have all the AAA teams move up to the same Pro league, he would have a riot on his hands.
You are out of your element.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjYJ7zZ9BRw
Can't say I totally disagree with you that its not going to work out, but I can assure you any change is better than laying in stagnant filth, I know human nature says change is bad, and to be quite honest it will have a negative effect on the league come playoff time, but it will likely be the best regular season in silver history, so lets just calm down overreacting that maybe one or two crappy gold teams, that were getting in before anyway, may still get in, and focus on the fact that they noticed the stagnant fail of some of our crappy silver conferences and leagues and they made a change.
Time Trial
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Originally posted by EatDaBeaver
Can't say I totally disagree with you that its not going to work out, but I can assure you any change is better than laying in stagnant filth, I know human nature says change is bad, and to be quite honest it will have a negative effect on the league come playoff time, but it will likely be the best regular season in silver history, so lets just calm down overreacting that maybe one or two crappy gold teams, that were getting in before anyway, may still get in, and focus on the fact that they noticed the stagnant fail of some of our crappy silver conferences and leagues and they made a change.
This has nothing to do with them noticing that things were stagnant. That is you putting your spin on things. Bort never said that was why he did it. He did it because it worked in the minors and "Pee Wee is just like that."
Putting wings on a bird makes them fly, so I'm going to put wings on my baby and throw him off this balcony, because they are the same thing.
Silver wasn't stagnant because rivalries didn't exist. Silver was stagnant because Gold should turnover the same way WL does. Playoff teams stay in Gold, non-playoff teams go to Silver.
Instead of fixing the problem, he is creating a new one.
Can't say I totally disagree with you that its not going to work out, but I can assure you any change is better than laying in stagnant filth, I know human nature says change is bad, and to be quite honest it will have a negative effect on the league come playoff time, but it will likely be the best regular season in silver history, so lets just calm down overreacting that maybe one or two crappy gold teams, that were getting in before anyway, may still get in, and focus on the fact that they noticed the stagnant fail of some of our crappy silver conferences and leagues and they made a change.
This has nothing to do with them noticing that things were stagnant. That is you putting your spin on things. Bort never said that was why he did it. He did it because it worked in the minors and "Pee Wee is just like that."
Putting wings on a bird makes them fly, so I'm going to put wings on my baby and throw him off this balcony, because they are the same thing.
Silver wasn't stagnant because rivalries didn't exist. Silver was stagnant because Gold should turnover the same way WL does. Playoff teams stay in Gold, non-playoff teams go to Silver.
Instead of fixing the problem, he is creating a new one.
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