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smittdog101
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Originally posted by chronoaug
Yep. Farm teams are valuable not only to get your players max xp but if you treat the farm team like a real team, competing, recruiting and winning games, you bring in new players and then can introduce them to your Pro team. I know i helped recruit for and run Rocky Mountain Caddies and some of the guys i recruited at lvl 30 listened to build advice, liked how we ran things and now some of them are on ALpine. The ones who weren't good enough we help get involved with other well run Pro teams we're friends with. We look out for people and they respect that and our organization.

MEM works tirelessly. Especially seasons 2-6. They were hardcore recruiting all the time setting up their empire. And empires are just as hard to fine tune and maintain as it is to build them. Ask the roman empire.


Weren't farm teams supposed to be against the rule back in the day? They were, but I bet CV and such sucked too much e-peen in the circle jerk to get it looked at any further. Somehow it is now the way of the game.

Edited by smittdog101 on Mar 26, 2010 21:34:00
 
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Originally posted by chronoaug
Mods/testers don't mean shit. Alpine has zero as far as i know. Hasn't hurt us. QCBC who i work with has like 2lolmods and they don't have any better luck with recruiting. Quit making excuses. You're just not very good at GLB. You're good compared to the other crappy AA-AAA teams but you're just another fly on the windshield of real teams who know what they're doing. Just watch some of the AAA promotees this season. Some will be good (like atkm this past season) others will fall by the wayside and die off. It has been happening even before decline was around. Always 2-3 of the 5-7 promotees gut after the first year


yeah rock wanted gamble but i chose mem. shit happens. players choose teams and the owners get over it if they are not picked.
 
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Originally posted by smittdog101
Weren't farm teams supposed to be against the rule back in the day? They were, but I bet CV and such sucked too much dick in the circle jerk to get it looked at any further. Somehow it is now the way of the game.



You are such a hateful cumstain. Stop fucking crying because you are a terrible owner.
 
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Originally posted by chronoaug
Mods/testers don't mean shit. Alpine has zero as far as i know. Hasn't hurt us. QCBC who i work with has like 2lolmods and they don't have any better luck with recruiting. Quit making excuses. You're just not very good at GLB. You're good compared to the other crappy AA-AAA teams but you're just another fly on the windshield of real teams who know what they're doing. Just watch some of the AAA promotees this season. Some will be good (like atkm this past season) others will fall by the wayside and die off. It has been happening even before decline was around. Always 2-3 of the 5-7 promotees gut after the first year


Also, Alpine's main recruiter (scaud) isn't a tester, mod, or even a team owner and doesn't post in the forums much. He's just tireless and does a good job not only bringing in dots starting day20, but also working on getting into younger networks and trying to bring guys into the Alpine family even without players (just to hang out in the forums) and then after awhile we win them over and they bring some dots


Cav, Scaud and myself are the only real consistent forces on Alpine the past 8 seasons too. Seriously though. 800 posts in our season15 recruiting thread. It's a combined team effort and we have great agents who help out


It just proves that it's all about who you sign and network with...and not how good of a strategy you have. Last season was pure proof of having better players = an automatic win. At least 90% of the time anyway.
Edited by smittdog101 on Mar 26, 2010 21:38:21
 
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Originally posted by Veg
You are such a hateful cumstain. Stop fucking crying because you are a terrible owner.


I guess you don't remember those days do you? Too much FYF already?
 
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Originally posted by Veg
You are such a hateful cumstain. Stop fucking crying because you are a terrible owner.


Veg.....I don't see one...NOT 1 single trophy that says you have room to talk.....your just a trophy whore......which is a problem in itself.
 
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I remember plenty. I know ive never signed with whiney piss ant owners like you. For a reason obviously. Stop bitching and put in some more work. Get some people around you like other teams have to help them.
 
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Originally posted by smittdog101
Veg.....I don't see one...NOT 1 single trophy that says you have room to talk.....your just a trophy whore......which is a problem in itself.


Honestly ive cut most of my lolgm's as i can care less. You dont see a trophy that matters? You won AAA and AA who gives a fuck, this is USAPL pussy! Go recruit you have alot of work to do or you will end up back in AAA.
 
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Originally posted by Veg
Honestly ive cut most of my lolgm's as i can care less. You dont see a trophy that matters? You won AAA and AA who gives a fuck, this is USAPL pussy! Go recruit you have alot of work to do or you will end up back in AAA.


still no room to talk. Go back to your monkey cage.
 
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Originally posted by smittdog101
still no room to talk. Go back to your monkey cage.


I've got plenty of room to talk being as ive help multiple teams recruit. Sorry that you are just completely useless. All you do is throw out lies about cv throwing about his mod power to pwn you in the game. Or cry about cv and his lolmod recruiting powers. You just suck. sell your team and be just an agent. Let the people with some half decent people skills recruit.
 
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Originally posted by smittdog101


It just proves that it's all about who you sign and network with...and not how good of a strategy you have. Last season was pure proof of having better players = an automatic win. At least 90% of the time anyway.


You'd be surprised how good some teams base AI is. Far far better than a lot of teams who actually scout and gameplan heavy. Alpine kept tweaking ours but basically used the same one all season and the playoff games we even made our AI worse on purpose to throw off MM (i'm sure they did too). Even though some of the usapl teams had equal talent to us, our base AI was probably better or had better build strategy. We did our best gameplanning for MM who drubbed everyone by 50. Came up short on a forever haunting pick-6 but still. Their dots were much better overall, they had hometown hero, and i think more %aeq and we still almost (and probably should've) beat them despite losing by 70 in the reg season. We knew we had to hit perfectly on the gameplan and probably did but were unfortunate. It's definitely possible though if you're good enough
Edited by chronoaug on Mar 26, 2010 21:50:54
 
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All bitching aside, which I still welcome BTW.

This is a real issue in GLB. There has to be an answer to the madness one of these days. This is a game that I have a deep passion for, but the wheels are falling off very quickly.

If you don't see that, then you just have your blinders on. Let's see what happens when beta is over.....if there is anyone left to play the game.

I am hopeful, but I don't think that anyone cares about anything other than their non-beta victories.



 
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Originally posted by Veg
I've got plenty of room to talk being as ive help multiple teams recruit. Sorry that you are just completely useless. All you do is throw out lies about cv throwing about his mod power to pwn you in the game. Or cry about cv and his lolmod recruiting powers. You just suck. sell your team and be just an agent. Let the people with some half decent people skills recruit.


I have people skills, but I could care less to try and impress agents I have no shot with.... this obviously includes you and plenty of others affiliated with MEM
 
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Originally posted by Veg
Originally posted by smittdog101

Weren't farm teams supposed to be against the rule back in the day? They were, but I bet CV and such sucked too much dick in the circle jerk to get it looked at any further. Somehow it is now the way of the game.



You are such a hateful cumstain. Stop fucking crying because you are a terrible owner.


Farm teams were against the rules Hence the fact the first one we had are all season 7 dots....O and guess what they will all be ready in the next one to seasons....Less recruiting for me....


Smitt deal with this one simple fact I WIN
 
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Originally posted by smittdog101
CV.....you have had it easy from day 1. Don't kid yourself. I am glad to see some support to the matter. If anyone says that I haven't tried my ass off, then you really don't know what it is like to be the average Joe in this league.

The fact is, retirement is killing this game. The only teams that reap the benefits are the ones that have networks or some sort of title to help them in the recruiting process.

If you read my original post on the topic, you still have the chance to recruit the best agents possible until you reach a certain player count.

If you don't back me on this, then you are just admitting to the fact that you don't want even competition in this game. It all started right here in the Pro league, but I have to tell you that it won't end here unless we do something about it now.

If you are such a hard recruiter CV, then give up your title, your name, and everything you are associated with and try to recruit for the average team that WORKS THEIR ASS OFF. You couldn't do it and you know it.

This game will fall to shambles without a real system set up for parity.

If you gave me your roster and let me play this game. I would have already been in the WL and won a title. I for damn sure wouldn't be back in the Pros. You are just scared that a reasonable solution will make you nothing but average. You have no skill in strategy. You are just a an agent that solely relies on the players to get you where you are.

If the playing ground was evened out just a little bit, I would be willing to bet you would fold your team. Who cares though really. It's all for the betterment of the game......not just to satisfy a mod that does nothing other than talk trash and not back it up. I guarantee an even roster would equal a win to anyone else who knows how to really play this game.

If you think you are that good (and that goes for anyone here), then this whole proposal should not be an issue whatsoever.

The draft is the only way to go. Until then....expect that teams are not going to get what they need and SHUT THE HELL UP.

I agree that recruiting is a way to get an advantage, but you will still have that advantage from signings 1-35. This will prove just how good you really think you are.

This is not directed at you personally CV, but you did bring up the topic, so it's time to face the music bra.


I have lurked in this forum for many seasons, so I have seen a lot of teams come and go. I don't usually post here since I don't currently have someone in the league, but this type of topic goes across all of GLB honestly.

TBH from someone who doesn't have skin in this fight, you miss the mark on a lot of fronts Smitt. I don't know if you have been in WL in any capacity or not, but I was there last season with a team that was 15-1 and won a silver cup in the CPL. We got the snot kicked out of us in WL because the teams there are the elite of the elite. The top teams absolutely have the best dots they can get their hands on, best game planners right now and best organizations. I played against Vahalla when they were in SLAP. The Snowmen actually managed to beat them for a title, but we were about the last to accomplish much against them. They rolled on pretty much everyone including us the following season.

Excellent GLB teams take far more than just good game planners, dots, and organization. At the upper reaches of the game, if you are lacking in an area, you are going to get beat. You can have the best dots, but if you didn't get the finances worked out to have them geared, then you are at a disadvantage. If you have great dots, but have people who can't game plan worth a lick, then you are going to suck, etc. If you don't plan ahead for decline, then don't expect to be around at the top levels of the game. It all takes a lot of time and effort to do this and many owners are missing parts of the picture in that they don't have the time anymore, are not very good at some aspect, be it recruiting, or getting good agents in to help them run the organization or whatever the deal is. A lot of owners figure out it isn't their cup of tea and they get out of the ownership biz.

CV is not the only owner who has absolutely busted his ass to make his team what it is today, but he has also put in the work to set up networks with other talented agents. You look at who he has had on his staff over the seasons and its remarkable. He has gone out and talked some of the best minds in GLB to come work on his team. You (and every other owner) have those same opportunities. This is an area of the game that good owners can get an advantage in if they work at it and clearly some owners are better at it than others. CV is but one example of this and there are other examples as well. Are they to be penalized for the amount of time they have invested in the game to get what they have when there is absolutely nothing stopping anyone else from doing the same things they have done in the past?

There are other things you can do as an owner to help yourself as far as your presence in game. CV has routinely posted match up analysis, held private forum discussions with representatives that vote on who is number 1, 2, 3, etc at that point in the season along with comments from the panel, and I could list other examples. Just look at the forum here and you will see what he has contributed to the community here in terms of dot ball over the seasons. Potential agents take note of such activity and effort and for the most part, it makes a positive impression on them. At the very least, it helps make CV better known within the community which I am sure is part of the objective. KKAR is another example of a team that is very active on the forums. Kamper Kampfire is well known in any league KKAR has been in and is almost always a great read along with Kountry Kampers, etc. The point is these teams all become better known. You may not like the Kai, but I bet you have heard of them.

The current draft is a good way to set up networking with new people. A forced draft would cause people to quit the game en-mass when the agents don't have a choice to play for who they would like to.

I also agree reduction in the number of Pro leagues would be beneficial. It is only going to get worse it appears as the foundation to the leagues in the AA teams is rotten with quite a few CPU teams. Probably better would be to reduce the regions from 8, but then that would screw with how the WL works.

Sorry for the wall of text, but at least I made some paragraphs, which is more than Track does..
 
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