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Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
We will likely be moving around to a lower league and are now under new ownership as I have gifted the team to General Mak. I just can't play this game any longer as a team control person or a player, it's way too boring and has hit a dead end and I don't see the point or value in playing this game. It has nothing to do with football, and is a lousy MMORPG that doesn't let you experience hardly any taste of what an RPG should be. It's stuck in a bland middle of confusion and indecision and has no focus towards a fun game playing experience. I'm just going to watch and lurk and hope that one day GLB evolves into either a fun or interesting game. Take care guys and good luck on your seasons!


Make strategy guide public info so we can hear all your winning sekrets imo
Edited by Phil Jackson on Jan 8, 2010 13:07:58
 
obijuan74
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I haven't ever really had much interaction with you and to be honest haven't even really heard about you much since I don't go to any of the main boards very often anymore but I've always been curious. If you are truly The Strategy Expert why aren't you a coach or a coordinator for a football team at the highest level somewhere instead of just another schlub on GLB pretending to know something about football?
 
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Originally posted by jktooley
Wanna make fun of him here... but he's right... The fact that an owner like this, one who enjoyed the game so much in the beginning, and was even willing to pay for a team without really trying to win, just to play the game, but is now leaving... Bort should take notice...


TSE, if you don't mind, what are the biggest issues you have with how the game has "evolved"?


best post in the thread right here. so i'm not sure why you'd expect TSE to grace you w/ an answer.
 
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Originally posted by mikeandbrooke07
ill give you one of my smashed pennies for that stretegy guide! deal?


Price is still the same.Originally posted by jktooley
Wanna make fun of him here... but he's right... The fact that an owner like this, one who enjoyed the game so much in the beginning, and was even willing to pay for a team without really trying to win, just to play the game, but is now leaving... Bort should take notice...


TSE, if you don't mind, what are the biggest issues you have with how the game has "evolved"?


Oh boy, well I could list a gigantic list of things that I don't like about this game and I could write probably a 500 page report or business plan of what I would have done with the game to make ti better and more profitable. To answer your question I would say in a nutshell it's not anything like football or an MMORPG for one, and it's worse in this middle ground. I'd rather see more of a realistic football sim game, or something that is creative and imaginative.

For the football side of things:
I hate the roster limit which is ridiculous. Recruiting is too time consuming and slow and could use a more efficient interface to connect with people. The size of the team and this unwritten forcing of keeping players even on play time is horrible for the game. 55 men is WAY WAY too big to have any team identity and branding. it would be different if you used 20 spots just for CPU backups and STs that fill in. Even the NFL has only a 45 man roster and that's with about 15 guys that get scarce playing time. A football team identity is really about the top 22 and a few more, not 55 guys all fighting it out to share time. It's not a football game, it's like a children's tea party and everybody has to have similar rations.

I hate the SAs and VAs. They are lame and boring and unimaginative. I think they speak for themselves. Well actually some of them speak incorrectly as there's still grammatical and spelling errors in the descriptions, which is just annoying and sends a message that the owner of the game doesn't really give a shit. It doesn't set a good tone that this game is official and professional. It is sloppy in letting it's weaknesses manifest themselves to counteract the integrity of the game.

Things are slow and inefficient. It's a pain in the ass to communicate with the whole team and be on the same page, as well as to recruit. There's a lot of time that could be saved on mundane non-value clicking activities that are inevitable. You could wipe out a lot of dead time with some interface re-design. And that would open the floodgates in terms of owners being able to network and communicate to such a way that there would be more activity and cohesion amongst agents.

The depth of the game is lacking. There isn't much to do. There aren't any offseason games or activities or things to be involved with. Heck at least we had a treasure hunt for an off-season. If I'm playing an RPG game and I turn on the game, I can go anywhere. If I want I can go to the Cave of Death and fight big monsters and work on my experience. If I want I can go to the Valley of Gold and fight enemies that pay a lot of money so I can buy things. If I want to further the quest and proceed with my mission I can do that too. Or if I want, I can simply go to a town and play blackjack as a mini-game. There's a whole virtual world out there and lots of activities to do. In GLB there is nothing going on but a very simplistic build process, and the only fancy things we have are basically repackaging the same attributes but with a different name. So much stuff and so much clutter and nothing fun or dynamic or different about it. Maybe he should separate speed into sub abilities, say 10 different things. Oh don't worry, they all count the same for overall speed, they just have designations to them. But at least you will have a menu to pick from so that if you are naive enough you can think you are playing a game when you are really just wasting your time and superfluous programming junk instead of fun add-ons. So if I want to grow my speed, here's how I can do it in GLB. I can use an SP. I can use training points. I can use Bonus Tokens. I can use VAs, I can use SAs, I can use equipment. Ok so it's all the same, basically I want speed, and I have 10 annoying ways that are all basically the same way to increase speed. That's not a game, that's called a COLORING BOOK. Like most coloring books, they are a fun way to pass time for about 5 minutes and then you don't want to see any more coloring books again.

Then you have the notion that stats are all out the window. There are no records or titles or data that have any value to them. Everything is juiced by gut games and unrealistic scores, so any numerical data associated with the game is basically compromised junk. Look at how much money the Fantasy Football industry is responsible for. It's not even a game you play, rather a picking of players that play the game for you and you just live with the numbers. That's a HUGE seller! Why? Because people like football and think stats are fun and interesting. Well this game deviates from football and detracts from what the game is like and what it is about, and then the numbers are all a complete abortion. That's not a good thing, that's a bad thing. The other things are fun and have market appeal, and result in a better product that is fun and viral.

GLB could have been viral instead of a lemonade stand, and it didn't anything complex to make it that way other than the same basic tools that were used to make the stand. If he can code crappy elements then he can code great elements, he just needs to invent better elements before doing the programming part! I got in on the ground floor, so I had a team set up and a good learning curve going, so it was just disappointment that there was no payoff for me. It's like if I invested in Microsoft on day 1, but then Bill Gates told me a week later that he just wants to focus on one product only with the company, to manufacture those plastic coating strips that cover LED displays on new purchases. That's it? That's all you have a vision for? C'mon Bill, I thought this was supposed to be a computer company for the new age of computers!!!??? Well, we're using computers to design the strips! But that's hardly tapping into what you could do with a computer company! C'mon Bill, imagine having some kind of a viral software program that everybody wants to have, because it doesn't exist and nobody else is doing it.

Anyhow, this post is starting to get long, I have all kinds of things in mind, and my explanation here is rather rudimentary in how I would explain my concerns to Bort if I was theoretically his business partner. You would get a far more detailed accounting of what's wrong with the game in a lot more of a structured report if I was to act on the inquiry in a professional and serious fashion. There's a lot of things that I have though of over my time here that I've also never posted, as I don't like to give away A+ advice for free, so I'm only touching on some basic general complaints with the game that I have mentioned before. The other stuff is just on permanent reserve and I've just been holding onto it for the chance event that I was ever asked by Bort to help him with his business.
 
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Originally posted by obijuan74
I haven't ever really had much interaction with you and to be honest haven't even really heard about you much since I don't go to any of the main boards very often anymore but I've always been curious. If you are truly The Strategy Expert why aren't you a coach or a coordinator for a football team at the highest level somewhere instead of just another schlub on GLB pretending to know something about football?


You can't get those jobs without experience. And I'm not really interested in being a coach or a coordinator anyhow, I'd rather be a GM. I wouldn't really be interested in working my way up from a high school or college level to get to the NFL to be a coach. I think I'd be a great coach or coordinator since I'm very good at teaching people in general and figuring things out. I could have coached the Lion's defense a LOT better than our current coordinator. I know this for a fact because I watch the film, and our players are so out of position and constantly doing the wrong things. And these aren't instinct things, these are things you can tell they are INSTRUCTED to do, but they are instructed wrong. I would probably get more out of my defense if I just never showed up and told them to wing it, it might be better than teaching them the wrong ways to move and behave, which is what our DC does. I'm being sarcastic to some extent, but it really is that bad. People think it's all about the players, but I don't think our players are quite as bad as some of our coaches have been.
 
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Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
Originally posted by thunderdoozer

Which is why you still won't leave. You will stick around here to make sure you get the last word.

Amirite?


I actually prefer to not have the last word in most situations.


 
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I understand why people don't like this guy now. This dude has a huge superiority complex. He obviously has some intellect and wants to prove it to everyone and force it down their throats so they can experience how superior he is. If you don't like the game TSE, don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out.
 
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I can 100% see where he's coming from though... Yeah, he talks like a know-it-all, but he DOES have some good ideas. Also, it's obvious that he's intelligent. He doesn't have the smoothest form of communication, but if you cut through it, at the core he's right in a lot of cases...

I don't hate SA's like he does, but I would love to see more options for customization. The ability to pick your SA's, or re-order your tree would be awesome. VA's HAVE been an incredibly screwy feature added to the game, and they'll continue to manifest their screweyness as more are added, or other features such as coaching are implemented which will compound their effects... TBH, I wonder if he is correct that this game would be more fun with smaller teams... The downside is the loss of community with a smaller owner pool, but it would be more fun to watch a game knowing your player is getting the majority of the plays... Additionally, it probably WOULD cut down on the gutjobs... Pathing needs a huge upgrade. Player interaction does too... I also can't believe that we got a new wave of VA's while some formations are still incredibly predictable with the number of available plays... Hell, Weak I STILL doesn't have a play where the HB leaks out into the flats on the strong side... WTF is up with that? Other Cool things include the fact that I played a team yesterday that played the CB over wr2 10 yards deep in singleback, and he never got beat once for a short pass... that's absurd. The game DOES need a ton of work, and it's at serious danger of alienating owners like TSE that have their own opinions or hopes of where the game should go but instead see it veering in a completely different direction.
 
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Did everyone forget how much they made fun of TSE for saying things like how he wouldn't sell his team for well over a thousand real U.S. Dollars?

Even though it was ridiculous, he felt that way because he thought there was a market for GLB and he wanted and believed the game could/would succeed. About a year later not only have things not really progressed.

TSE has always wanted to find reasons to enjoy/play this game. Regardless of what you think about TSE you can't deny that he's competitive. It's been obvious to all of us for a long time now that he isn't putting the best team he could on the field.

How many other owners out there would stick around with their team for 8 seasons where they've lost interest in the game? Not many, considering the ridiculous amount of teams turning over and giving up every year (and what is causing that?). I don't feel very confident in the future of a game where a fellow owner spent as long as TSE waiting for a reason to "return" before deciding they aren't going to find one.


If I owned GLB I can guarantee you I would make a huge effort to talk to TSE and listen to his thoughts on my business. I don't have to agree with everything he says, and it's about what the customer wants not what I want anyway. I feel like this is high-school level stuff here to everyone but Bort.
 
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I said like season 8 or 9 during whatever complaint was in vogue at the time:

I really don't think GLB's ceiling is as high as people think. Pretty sure it peaked around season 10 when the initial season1 guys hit plateau/decline. Everything from here on out will probably just be patching things here, fixing little interactions there which will cause something else to be a little off then you have to fix that, then add something to solve another problem which will need more sim fixing, etc...

I don't think there is much room for growth in GLB at the moment. Not really sure how he can restructure or add new things without completely scraping the current game or drastically change stuff that will of course upset many. Bort and GLB are kinda stuck in limbo at the moment and i dont' really see it drastically improving
 
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I think there are enough owners with season 3-5 players that have been waiting for their shot at the top, that Bort doesn't have anything to worry about for another 2-3 seasons. After that who knows? A lot of Season 1/2 owners are living off retirement flex. Once the Season 3-5 players join them I can't see him making much revenue.

Are there many people who joined Season 6 or later spending much money on GLB?

 
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Originally posted by chronoaug
I said like season 8 or 9 during whatever complaint was in vogue at the time:

I really don't think GLB's ceiling is as high as people think. Pretty sure it peaked around season 10 when the initial season1 guys hit plateau/decline. Everything from here on out will probably just be patching things here, fixing little interactions there which will cause something else to be a little off then you have to fix that, then add something to solve another problem which will need more sim fixing, etc...

I don't think there is much room for growth in GLB at the moment. Not really sure how he can restructure or add new things without completely scraping the current game or drastically change stuff that will of course upset many. Bort and GLB are kinda stuck in limbo at the moment and i dont' really see it drastically improving


I agree in that I don't think GLB is going to be able to grow much (if at all) from where it is now.

Like you said, he can't do much without at least pretty much scraping the game, and doing that sounds like a nightmare.

However let's go back a second; if the current format of GLB isn't conducive to growth then why not overhaul the current format? Maybe take the site down for a few months and launch a big re-opening if you have to and hope it works.

If you're telling me GLB is going to be pretty much the same 10 seasons from now then how are you going to convince me to stick around after that? Too many people will move on if that's the case. And then you're going to be further down the line and still going to have to make drastic changes.

I don't understand how it works that people can conclude something needs to be fixed and yet answer by temporarily fixing the problem with an intended-"permanent" fix.


edit: I agree with Duff's post as well.
Edited by Mercaptopropyl on Jan 8, 2010 14:50:14
 
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I wouldn't necessarily shut down the site, but I would definitely slow down on adding things/making huge changes outside of fixing pathing/interaction issues and adding plays... Some of the stuff on the horizon in the changelog would be nice too, such as working on allowing OC's to select the checkdown order on pass plays... Outside of that, no coaching, no added VA's, nothing...

In the meantime, I would be creating all of the new code for the sim. I would look at doing away with the regions and creating one huge pyramid for advancement, and only one. I would reassess player costs to attract the more casual gamer... If it were cheaper to boost players effectively over the course of their career, the guys with deep pockets would still play, they would probably just look into owning full teams, so you wouldn't lose money there...

Bort would be VERY wise to add a few "idea" guys to his payroll, even if it's only paying with flex, and work on completely remaking the sim back into something enjoyable instead of the monster that's currently being fed...
 
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While I still think TSE is mostly an ass, he makes some good points in this thread.

Often I wonder if Bort even knows where he wants to take GLB from one season to the next.
 
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