Here's a fun stat. MEM has the least passing yards allowed per game and the second least passing touchdowns allowed in the WL. They must have a pretty good passing defense and the coaches must know what types of builds are the best for them to do so well. Both of my high level coverage cbs were evaluated and offered spots on MEM (one at level 53). Maybe, just maybe, this means that they are good builds.
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Just in case of a "I didn't see that".
Originally posted by Iron Maiden
I think continuing the attack serves no purpose to help those that want to get their ticket to the WL.
Pagypie, if you really think you know what you are talking about, please come in with something to prove your point other than just saying that Longhorn was "wrong". And please quote those WL corner builders (or at least give us names) that laughed at Longhorn's min build plan (or just the names of the agents if it is via PM), as your experience is blank at the higher leagues.
Originally posted by SunshineMan89
I would also like to hear who these CB builders are who supposedly laughed at that build plan.
Not saying I totally agree with everything in Longhorn's plan, but I'm not sure how exactly you would build a radically different CB.
Most of the successful Pro/WL corners I see seem to have around 1/1 speed/agility (or close) with high vision, SV, and SDC. After that, there are differences, but I'm curious as to who disagrees that you need 90+ speed and agility, 70+ vision and high SV and SDC at a minimum to be effective.
Originally posted by Iron Maiden
I think continuing the attack serves no purpose to help those that want to get their ticket to the WL.
Pagypie, if you really think you know what you are talking about, please come in with something to prove your point other than just saying that Longhorn was "wrong". And please quote those WL corner builders (or at least give us names) that laughed at Longhorn's min build plan (or just the names of the agents if it is via PM), as your experience is blank at the higher leagues.
Originally posted by SunshineMan89
I would also like to hear who these CB builders are who supposedly laughed at that build plan.
Not saying I totally agree with everything in Longhorn's plan, but I'm not sure how exactly you would build a radically different CB.
Most of the successful Pro/WL corners I see seem to have around 1/1 speed/agility (or close) with high vision, SV, and SDC. After that, there are differences, but I'm curious as to who disagrees that you need 90+ speed and agility, 70+ vision and high SV and SDC at a minimum to be effective.
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Originally posted by Iron Maiden
Just in case of a "I didn't see that".
isn't it obvious by now? 90/90 is ridiculous. you should be aiming for AT LEAST 100 speed if not 110... anything over 80 agi is overkill.
35 catching had us rofling for a good 20min and 4 in CD was the icing on the cake. jumping is debatable because of the way it's messed up with aggressive. also 30 tackling would be exposed bigtime too by running plays. 40 str isn't enough either.
I'm simply communicating the builds from people that know what they are talking about and aren't like me who don't take this game seriously or care about arguing like an idiot on some CB forum that isn't anything more than a foodfight.
Just in case of a "I didn't see that".
isn't it obvious by now? 90/90 is ridiculous. you should be aiming for AT LEAST 100 speed if not 110... anything over 80 agi is overkill.
35 catching had us rofling for a good 20min and 4 in CD was the icing on the cake. jumping is debatable because of the way it's messed up with aggressive. also 30 tackling would be exposed bigtime too by running plays. 40 str isn't enough either.
I'm simply communicating the builds from people that know what they are talking about and aren't like me who don't take this game seriously or care about arguing like an idiot on some CB forum that isn't anything more than a foodfight.
Edited by Pagypie on Sep 16, 2009 00:12:34
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Originally posted by Pagypie
Originally posted by Iron Maiden
Just in case of a "I didn't see that".
isn't it obvious by now? 90/90 is ridiculous. you should be aiming for AT LEAST 100 speed if not 110... anything over 80 agi is overkill.
35 catching had us rofling for a good 20min and 4 in CD was the icing on the cake. jumping is debatable because of the way it's messed up with aggressive. also 30 tackling would be exposed bigtime too by running plays. 40 str isn't enough either.
I'm simply communicating the builds from people that know what they are talking about and aren't like me who don't take this game seriously or care about arguing like an idiot on some CB forum that isn't anything more than a foodfight.
Breaking your post down for easier reading.
anything over 80 agi is overkill.
Wow...
35 catching had us rofling for a good 20min
I'm simply communicating the builds from people that know what they are talking about
Again, I'd like to know who. If you are talking about a bunch of people who have no experience at the higher leagues...
BTW, just how many Pro/WL CB builds do you have access to/ have seen? Could you name a few?
Originally posted by Iron Maiden
Just in case of a "I didn't see that".
isn't it obvious by now? 90/90 is ridiculous. you should be aiming for AT LEAST 100 speed if not 110... anything over 80 agi is overkill.
35 catching had us rofling for a good 20min and 4 in CD was the icing on the cake. jumping is debatable because of the way it's messed up with aggressive. also 30 tackling would be exposed bigtime too by running plays. 40 str isn't enough either.
I'm simply communicating the builds from people that know what they are talking about and aren't like me who don't take this game seriously or care about arguing like an idiot on some CB forum that isn't anything more than a foodfight.
Breaking your post down for easier reading.
anything over 80 agi is overkill.
Wow...
35 catching had us rofling for a good 20min
I'm simply communicating the builds from people that know what they are talking about
Again, I'd like to know who. If you are talking about a bunch of people who have no experience at the higher leagues...
BTW, just how many Pro/WL CB builds do you have access to/ have seen? Could you name a few?
Edited by Iron Maiden on Sep 16, 2009 03:05:42
Edited by Iron Maiden on Sep 16, 2009 03:04:06
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Originally posted by Pagypie
isn't it obvious by now? 90/90 is ridiculous. you should be aiming for AT LEAST 100 speed if not 110... anything over 80 agi is overkill.
this had me rofling for a good 20 minutes.
ever heard of a little SA called SDC?
isn't it obvious by now? 90/90 is ridiculous. you should be aiming for AT LEAST 100 speed if not 110... anything over 80 agi is overkill.
this had me rofling for a good 20 minutes.
ever heard of a little SA called SDC?
Originally posted by Pagypie
isn't it obvious by now? 90/90 is ridiculous. you should be aiming for AT LEAST 100 speed if not 110... anything over 80 agi is overkill.
35 catching had us rofling for a good 20min and 4 in CD was the icing on the cake. jumping is debatable because of the way it's messed up with aggressive. also 30 tackling would be exposed bigtime too by running plays. 40 str isn't enough either.
I'm simply communicating the builds from people that know what they are talking about and aren't like me who don't take this game seriously or care about arguing like an idiot on some CB forum that isn't anything more than a foodfight.
I'd really like to know the teams that these CBs are on. Are they MEM, Cincy, Marblehead, So Cal, or OTRRD? Because all five of those teams are WL playoff teams, and they all wanted my level 53 cb who's built similar, but better to what I posted.
I have acted as a cb consultant for a lot of teams who have had poor pass defenses, and that is one of the most common builds I see.
Is this what you are looking for?
Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 50
Speed: 102
Agility: 78
Jumping: 61
Stamina: 44
Vision: 68
Confidence: 35
Football Skills
Blocking: 8
Catching: 50
Tackling: 50
Throwing: 8
Carrying: X
Kicking: 8
Punting: 8
Special Abilities
Shutdown Corner Abilities
Swat Ball: 3
Sticky Hands: X
Superior Vision: 7
Smooth Operator: X
Shutdown Coverage: 7
Speedster Abilities
First Step: 6
Change Direction: 6
Return Specialist: 0
Blitz: 0
Closing Speed: 0
I've seen that build more often than any other build on shitty teams with no pass defense, and I've had to try and fix it so that it can actually defend the pass in WL/Pro.
isn't it obvious by now? 90/90 is ridiculous. you should be aiming for AT LEAST 100 speed if not 110... anything over 80 agi is overkill.
35 catching had us rofling for a good 20min and 4 in CD was the icing on the cake. jumping is debatable because of the way it's messed up with aggressive. also 30 tackling would be exposed bigtime too by running plays. 40 str isn't enough either.
I'm simply communicating the builds from people that know what they are talking about and aren't like me who don't take this game seriously or care about arguing like an idiot on some CB forum that isn't anything more than a foodfight.
I'd really like to know the teams that these CBs are on. Are they MEM, Cincy, Marblehead, So Cal, or OTRRD? Because all five of those teams are WL playoff teams, and they all wanted my level 53 cb who's built similar, but better to what I posted.
I have acted as a cb consultant for a lot of teams who have had poor pass defenses, and that is one of the most common builds I see.
Is this what you are looking for?
Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 50
Speed: 102
Agility: 78
Jumping: 61
Stamina: 44
Vision: 68
Confidence: 35
Football Skills
Blocking: 8
Catching: 50
Tackling: 50
Throwing: 8
Carrying: X
Kicking: 8
Punting: 8
Special Abilities
Shutdown Corner Abilities
Swat Ball: 3
Sticky Hands: X
Superior Vision: 7
Smooth Operator: X
Shutdown Coverage: 7
Speedster Abilities
First Step: 6
Change Direction: 6
Return Specialist: 0
Blitz: 0
Closing Speed: 0
I've seen that build more often than any other build on shitty teams with no pass defense, and I've had to try and fix it so that it can actually defend the pass in WL/Pro.
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Originally posted by Iron Maiden
Breaking your post down for easier reading.
anything over 80 agi is overkill.
Wow...
35 catching had us rofling for a good 20min
I'm simply communicating the builds from people that know what they are talking about
Again, I'd like to know who. If you are talking about a bunch of people who have no experience at the higher leagues...
BTW, just how many Pro/WL CB builds do you have access to/ have seen? Could you name a few?I know 4 CB agents in the WL directly, many other indirectly... and sorry i'm not going to namedrop people like an annoying spaz that don't want to be involved with silly position board food fights that implicate their teams that they spend a lot of time and effort with.
wow the agility number all you want. We have a great SA to increase our "agility", his low speed recommendation is a big achilles heel.
Breaking your post down for easier reading.
anything over 80 agi is overkill.
Wow...
35 catching had us rofling for a good 20min
I'm simply communicating the builds from people that know what they are talking about
Again, I'd like to know who. If you are talking about a bunch of people who have no experience at the higher leagues...
BTW, just how many Pro/WL CB builds do you have access to/ have seen? Could you name a few?I know 4 CB agents in the WL directly, many other indirectly... and sorry i'm not going to namedrop people like an annoying spaz that don't want to be involved with silly position board food fights that implicate their teams that they spend a lot of time and effort with.
wow the agility number all you want. We have a great SA to increase our "agility", his low speed recommendation is a big achilles heel.
Originally posted by Pagypie
lol...*facepalm*
anyways i'm tired of this childish back and forth so i'm done with this thread
Your arguments get weaker every time you post one. You don't need to name the agents, just name the teams that they are on. The build you think is better is one that has been proven to be flawed repeatedly. The agents you claim know better aren't names, which leads everyone to think that they are on bad teams. You're running from the argument because you know you can't win. Sticking your head in the sand and pretending that you're right won't make it so. Btw, I know way more than 4 cb agents in the WL, and pretty much all of them (and all on really good teams) think my build is correct.
lol...*facepalm*
anyways i'm tired of this childish back and forth so i'm done with this thread
Your arguments get weaker every time you post one. You don't need to name the agents, just name the teams that they are on. The build you think is better is one that has been proven to be flawed repeatedly. The agents you claim know better aren't names, which leads everyone to think that they are on bad teams. You're running from the argument because you know you can't win. Sticking your head in the sand and pretending that you're right won't make it so. Btw, I know way more than 4 cb agents in the WL, and pretty much all of them (and all on really good teams) think my build is correct.
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World league corners are going to phase out. The builds they have/had will mean nothing once they do.
90 speed will not be enough, whether it is now or not. Things have changed. The new training system yields better results at higher levels, it's simply more efficient and season 5 builds will look nothing like season 1 builds, and so on. While an agent may make a player nowadays with a massive pool of information telling them how to do it most efficiently, many seasons before now players did not have that luxury, let's face it.
Making up a barometer is stupid because we're only talking about a couple of stats when all of them should be considered together.
SDC is an amazing SA; It will not make up for a player that can't move however.
Anyone saying they've helped others with "bad builds" has to realize they may be dealing with overall inefficiency versus bad attribute prioritization. Both are obviously a factor, but if your build isn't efficient it will never be good whereas many attribute prioritizations are viable.
You also can't say one way is bad because you've only seen a different way be good. There are many factors to consider before jumping to that.
Most importantly, not every team runs the same defensive strategy. There is no universal "best build."
90 speed will not be enough, whether it is now or not. Things have changed. The new training system yields better results at higher levels, it's simply more efficient and season 5 builds will look nothing like season 1 builds, and so on. While an agent may make a player nowadays with a massive pool of information telling them how to do it most efficiently, many seasons before now players did not have that luxury, let's face it.
Making up a barometer is stupid because we're only talking about a couple of stats when all of them should be considered together.
SDC is an amazing SA; It will not make up for a player that can't move however.
Anyone saying they've helped others with "bad builds" has to realize they may be dealing with overall inefficiency versus bad attribute prioritization. Both are obviously a factor, but if your build isn't efficient it will never be good whereas many attribute prioritizations are viable.
You also can't say one way is bad because you've only seen a different way be good. There are many factors to consider before jumping to that.
Most importantly, not every team runs the same defensive strategy. There is no universal "best build."
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Originally posted by Iron Maiden
I thought Adult Swim was owned by UD. What happened?
He flaked so a GM (misled) bought it to keep the team together.
Some agents left but most of us are still in it.
I thought Adult Swim was owned by UD. What happened?
He flaked so a GM (misled) bought it to keep the team together.
Some agents left but most of us are still in it.
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Originally posted by Jack Del Rio
I gotta give my endorsement for having tons of vision on top tier corners. 70 & Football Genius isn't enough to go into 24/7 rape mode with Ball Hawk. I'd aim for 80ish, and you can still have low 80s agility, mid 90s speed, a ton of jumping (70ish), a ton of super vision (9+) and shutdown coverage (11+).
Not saying this is the ideal CB build but it's p much what my level 57 has and I'm headed to MEM next season for validation (or massive fail).
WTF I get to play alongside JDR again???
world has gone to shit
I gotta give my endorsement for having tons of vision on top tier corners. 70 & Football Genius isn't enough to go into 24/7 rape mode with Ball Hawk. I'd aim for 80ish, and you can still have low 80s agility, mid 90s speed, a ton of jumping (70ish), a ton of super vision (9+) and shutdown coverage (11+).
Not saying this is the ideal CB build but it's p much what my level 57 has and I'm headed to MEM next season for validation (or massive fail).
WTF I get to play alongside JDR again???
world has gone to shit
Originally posted by Djinnt
He flaked so a GM (misled) bought it to keep the team together.
Some agents left but most of us are still in it.
Is he completely gone? That doesn't seem like him.
He flaked so a GM (misled) bought it to keep the team together.
Some agents left but most of us are still in it.
Is he completely gone? That doesn't seem like him.
Originally posted by Meatdawg
WTF I get to play alongside JDR again???
world has gone to shit
Who are you bringing to MEM?
WTF I get to play alongside JDR again???
world has gone to shit
Who are you bringing to MEM?
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