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I agree with all of that.

I think it might work to elect maybe the top 2 of each Pro League, and then using some kind of offseason tourney system to determine some more of the teams and a selection committee to fill out the rest.

As I look across the pro leagues at the teams that would be promoted to the WPL, I really don't see many teams that wouldn't/couldn't be competitive in the USA Pro league. I don't see that relegation from WPL to USAPL would be detrimental to this league.

The only glaring problem I see is going to be the first season. Some teams will be promoted to the WPL leaving better teams in other leagues in the cold. But want this be corrected as the seasons roll and promotions and relegation continue?

The sole problem of GLB right now is the region names....plain and simple...you eliminate region names and the World league becomes easy to implement with teams dropping to random regions who cant cut it in the WL.

But if he honestly goes through with this World Tournament....i do hope that he adds extra days to the GLB season for it or half the teams will just not care to partake in it for real.

Originally posted by Mat McBriar
I don't feel like repeating myself 20 times in all these threads, so I'll just quote what I said elsewhere.

Originally posted by Mat McBriar

While I agree w/ the idea of a World League, the selection process for the initial 32 teams needs some work. Just grabbing the final 4 teams from each Pro League's playoffs does not work, as there isn't parity. Fact of the matter is that you end up w/ some whack competition for the World League as you've got the best teams playing an OPL Alpha team for example.

Granted there are solid teams coming from some good conferences in every region but it's a mess. USAPL for example ends up leaving out the Minnesota Marauders and the Washington Wolfpack in the West due to MEM/HHW/MM/WW all being USAPL West teams. Add in the fact that further promotion would most likely only include the winner of that conference for S11 and you'll have one of those teams missing out for S12 as well (ultimately is just a fold the team situation due to age).

I really have no easy solution that doesn't involve straight opinion (some sort of selection committee).

The World League as a whole has potential to fix some parity amongst the leagues through demotion (demotion from the World League being random region), but making some adjustments to the 'founding' members is a necessity. I'll bash one of my own teams that is slated or the World League. BDR (of OPL Alpha) has absolutely no chance against a top powerhouse. Against a team like MEM or the Shockers this season we'd end up losing by 60+ points. It doesn't make sense for even selection amongst leagues, without maximizing competition.

Perhaps I'm ignorant, but I feel this first class of World League teams needs to be hand selected, and then following seasons being even selection from regions. Demotion into random leagues will even out the Pro Leagues a bit, but in the current state, all you are promoting is for top teams to just hang it up. Truthfully I wouldn't be surprised if we see a WSI type move by a lot of teams, only forcing themselves into a weaker Pro League in an attempt to push themselves into the World League.



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cut out sold teams and those no longer in Pro

wow... this could be interesting

How do you decide who takes that teams place? 12-4 in another Pro League is about 8-8 in USAPL.

No kidding, lose/lose for Bort. This tournament is gay. Teams that made to the 2nd round of the playoffs? So only 8 teams from USAPL are in the tournament? Teams like Lincoln/KKAR/Nash/Compton are not even invited? Gay tourney. PWT is a much better tournament.

I agree. Just let the PWT be the official tourney and get on with it.



WL is probably back on so no need to worry about it.


I do have one question primarily for the owners here though. If there is a WL why would it be such an issue for your team if you got demoted to a random Pro League if you missed the playoffs? That is the way the current system works for demotions. I personally wouldn't see the big issue as it would solve the major problem with the WL right now (how to handle demotions).

It would likely bring parity quicker if the teams that finished 9th end up in OPL rather then CPL/USAPL.

I asked this in the big thread in GLB, but it will get buried without any true answers.

I have no problem with random demotion. Then again I don't plan to get demoted

My issue with the World League is not with the demotion into other leagues, but with the initial seeding.

As Mat mentioned, the current plan really fucks over USAPL and the teams that (imo) have been the mainstays of the GLB community. For Bort to do that to USAPL is just unconscionable.

To reward the weaker leagues and punish the stronger ones just isn't right.

Originally posted by PackMan97
My issue with the World League is not with the demotion into other leagues, but with the initial seeding.

As Mat mentioned, the current plan really fucks over USAPL and the teams that (imo) have been the mainstays of the GLB community. For Bort to do that to USAPL is just unconscionable.

To reward the weaker leagues and punish the stronger ones just isn't right.


They are the majority though, so...why not.
We can't all be happy. I'm not. Few care, so it goes...

Originally posted by Mat McBriar
I really have no easy solution that doesn't involve straight opinion (some sort of selection committee).

Perhaps I'm ignorant, but I feel this first class of World League teams needs to be hand selected

So you think alot of people are crying now when their team didnt get in just based on the rules, can you even imagine the amount of crying that would happen if their team was'nt "hand-picked" by this "committee"?

Even before that, the amount of crying just about who was selected for this "committe" would be more than we see now.

The way it's set up now is not perfect but the most logical, you start having people picking a commitee to pick teams and it would turn into a total cluster F

I think what upsets me the most is that regardless of what folks say, USAPL has been the World League for the past 10 seasons. The best teams and the best talent come to play here.

It's not about Santiago and the 31 cupcakes (though that is changing) or WSI dominating 100-3 games for 4 straight seasons. It was about the best going against the best.

Now Bort wants to screw over the best and most active teams and league in GLB. I guess there is nothing I can do about. Most folks are looking at it as a chance to fuck over USAPL...so I guess fucked we get.

Originally posted by PackMan97


Now Bort wants to screw over the best and most active teams and league in GLB. I guess there is nothing I can do about. Most folks are looking at it as a chance to fuck over USAPL...so I guess fucked we get.

When you beat the stuffing out of their teams for a few seasons, that animosity is going to grow. Really, I'm just annoyed he's waffled on this. I wasn't irate initially, but when he announced the top 64 tourney and then allowed for this to happen...thats where all my hate on that thread is coming from.

all of the wolfpack guys need to relax. think of it this way, with the top teams moving up you have a better shot at this title and to get into the world league in the future

Originally posted by Ubasstards
all of the wolfpack guys need to relax. think of it this way, with the top teams moving up you have a better shot at this title and to get into the world league in the future

Again, I think my anger is more towards Bort then anything. He should have just left it alone. Initially e all accepted the fact privately that - hey, the World League isn't going to be the best 32 teams, it'll be the best 4 teams in each region. Thats pretty much what we expected. I'm pretty sure that, pre-announcement, most of the griping was coming from OTHER USAPL teams (on our behalf), not the Wolfpack.

Then he posted the announcement about an official tourney for the 'best 64 teams'. And I was like, cool.

Hours later, he posts a poll basically opening up global voting revenge on the USAPL for beating the snot out of their beloved teams season in and out in tournament play. Almost a witch hunt. I mean did he seriously, for a moment, expect the vote to go down any differently then it has?

Most of the Wolfpack haven't been openly griping about this by the way.


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Originally posted by Ubasstards
all of the wolfpack guys need to relax. think of it this way, with the top teams moving up you have a better shot at this title and to get into the world league in the future

It's not the Wolfpack guys...I'm pissed for teams like the Navs and the Vikings who are better than many of the conference champions in other leagues...heck, each of them beat up on World League members.

However, USAPL West will have AT LEAST 6 World League caliber teams next season. ONE will promote in S12. How many World League caliber teams will be left in APL Elephant? OPL Alpha?

Come on...you know the USAPL teams that didn't make it this season are fucked. One lucky team will make it every season and that's it. Teams and agents came to USAPL because they wanted to play against the best and not take the easy way out. Now, everyone that took the easy way out is getting rewarded.

Ya, I'm pissed. Heck, the 180 that ITS has made just goes to show the hypocrisy of most folks. Teams like the Navs, the WW, MM, ***O***, Golphers, Gurupies, Slashers, etc have NEVER wanted anything other than to play the best of the best. They would scrimmage anyone. They played in the tournies, they went to the toughest region.

Now, thanks to that, most of them will never see the World League. Don't tell me I need to relax.