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Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
where are you finding offense in what I have to say..................So I dont even know what you are talking about in offering me an "out", an "out" for what? What are you getting at?
I'm not and didn't find offense in anything you said. I think some of it is way off (the he was being great to me to get at you type stuff) and put forth my opinion, but no offense on my end. I know this is going to sound fucked up, but I was just trying to stick up for someone that I see as a damn good GLB friend, as well as trying to do you a favor. I suspect I think higher of you than the majority here. Like everyone, you have some quirks (OK, maybe more than most), but I don't see you as the horrid person that most here seem to. I was just trying to give you a way out of this, what, 4-5 ssn, senseless pissing match. Even if you're 100% right, as I suggested way back when it started, just let it go...All it does is make you look bad.
You're right. None of this is any of my business. I just get tired of watching you get pounded on so much (even if your mannerisms do bring much of it onto yourself). I should have just stayed out of it. GL.
where are you finding offense in what I have to say..................So I dont even know what you are talking about in offering me an "out", an "out" for what? What are you getting at?
I'm not and didn't find offense in anything you said. I think some of it is way off (the he was being great to me to get at you type stuff) and put forth my opinion, but no offense on my end. I know this is going to sound fucked up, but I was just trying to stick up for someone that I see as a damn good GLB friend, as well as trying to do you a favor. I suspect I think higher of you than the majority here. Like everyone, you have some quirks (OK, maybe more than most), but I don't see you as the horrid person that most here seem to. I was just trying to give you a way out of this, what, 4-5 ssn, senseless pissing match. Even if you're 100% right, as I suggested way back when it started, just let it go...All it does is make you look bad.
You're right. None of this is any of my business. I just get tired of watching you get pounded on so much (even if your mannerisms do bring much of it onto yourself). I should have just stayed out of it. GL.
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Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
Therefore, MH, CV, and the MEM GMs that participated = a bunch of pieces of shit. They made their own beds, a bed of shit throwing and without cause.
One last comment/attempt to give ya a hand, TSE, and I'm out. I swear.................They may or may not have made their own bed of shit, but, no matter how you look at it, by continuing to fight with them over this you are allowing them to make you sleep in it. It can be hard to try viewing things from an outside perspective when you're in the middle of a shit storm, but, trust me on this, you are 100% playing into their hands by allowing yourself to get wrapped up in this all these ssns later. You just keep your mouth shut and they look foolish. Instead, keep allowing them to make you play the fool...Whether you're right or wrong, that's the reality of the situation. Sometimes being the bigger man means walking away. There, that's enough cliches to fill my quota for a month now.
Therefore, MH, CV, and the MEM GMs that participated = a bunch of pieces of shit. They made their own beds, a bed of shit throwing and without cause.
One last comment/attempt to give ya a hand, TSE, and I'm out. I swear.................They may or may not have made their own bed of shit, but, no matter how you look at it, by continuing to fight with them over this you are allowing them to make you sleep in it. It can be hard to try viewing things from an outside perspective when you're in the middle of a shit storm, but, trust me on this, you are 100% playing into their hands by allowing yourself to get wrapped up in this all these ssns later. You just keep your mouth shut and they look foolish. Instead, keep allowing them to make you play the fool...Whether you're right or wrong, that's the reality of the situation. Sometimes being the bigger man means walking away. There, that's enough cliches to fill my quota for a month now.
Edited by PP on Jul 24, 2009 20:03:38
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I take 1 day off the forums and i miss everything!
So let me see...
Im a new person, well not too new, but relatively new compared to most of you here.
My thought on momz...
Seems like a decent guy. No reason to hate him yet :-)
My thoughts on TSE
You write a lot of info, and it seems legit. Maybe sometimes you can cut it down and not try to pack it full of knowledge, but other than that, GO Detroit Lions!
So let me see...
Im a new person, well not too new, but relatively new compared to most of you here.
My thought on momz...
Seems like a decent guy. No reason to hate him yet :-)
My thoughts on TSE
You write a lot of info, and it seems legit. Maybe sometimes you can cut it down and not try to pack it full of knowledge, but other than that, GO Detroit Lions!
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Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
Originally posted by Sik Wit It
Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
Originally posted by Sik Wit It
The fact that you are making a huge false assumption by saying anyone who agrees with CV is either an idiot, illogical, or someone who makes false assumptions. Do you not see that?
You are failing on this issue because you miss out on the logic. I know firsthand that I am telling the truth. Forget what you think for now, what you think does not affect the actual events as they played out. I know how the events played out and I know I'm telling the truth. Therefore anybody that sides with CV is siding with misinformation and accepting lies and mistruths as facts. Anybody that accepts lies and mistruths in forming an opinion without checking their facts is a moron, that's just a fact of nature.
No I think you are missing the logic here. Many people don't even know why you and CV hate each other. Some recruiting thing where he talked crap on your team in some topic. BIG DEAL. What I'm saying is most people do not care. And the fact that they "side" with CV has nothing to do with your little situation. Like PP said, the world doesn't revolve around you. Many people like CV because he's very personable, and does a lot for the USA Pro forum. It has nothing to do with "siding with misinformation". Like I said I don't even care what went on between you two, so it has no bearing on whether or not I see him as a "lying scumbag POS". Nobody can really know what happens except you and Manning, so there's no reason I can form an opinion one way or another.
Both of you seem like pretty reasonable people, and I haven't witnessed either of you lying or cheating the system. So to say the only people who don't think CV is a lying scumbag are "mental midgets (lol), illogical people, or people who make false assumptions" is in itself a huge false assumption. That false assumption being that people actually CARE about what went on between you and they base their opinion on both agents upon those events.
And before you say "well you just need to do more research into what happened to get the facts straight", really think about what you're saying. To say we can get the facts by "researching more" is laughable, because it's just your word against his. Like I said, I'll probably never know the real facts, so it's futile (thought you'd like this choice in words).
You misinterpreted my post. I said those terms in conjunction with having identified with CV as being correct in his rationale for calling me a liar in that if you agreed with his rationale you have to either ACCEPT LIES and assume they are true in order to follow his logic, therefore those negative qualities are tied into the thought process of which I was eluding to. Not in general that if you like CV you must be those things.
ITT I take the higher ground
Originally posted by Sik Wit It
Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
Originally posted by Sik Wit It
The fact that you are making a huge false assumption by saying anyone who agrees with CV is either an idiot, illogical, or someone who makes false assumptions. Do you not see that?
You are failing on this issue because you miss out on the logic. I know firsthand that I am telling the truth. Forget what you think for now, what you think does not affect the actual events as they played out. I know how the events played out and I know I'm telling the truth. Therefore anybody that sides with CV is siding with misinformation and accepting lies and mistruths as facts. Anybody that accepts lies and mistruths in forming an opinion without checking their facts is a moron, that's just a fact of nature.
No I think you are missing the logic here. Many people don't even know why you and CV hate each other. Some recruiting thing where he talked crap on your team in some topic. BIG DEAL. What I'm saying is most people do not care. And the fact that they "side" with CV has nothing to do with your little situation. Like PP said, the world doesn't revolve around you. Many people like CV because he's very personable, and does a lot for the USA Pro forum. It has nothing to do with "siding with misinformation". Like I said I don't even care what went on between you two, so it has no bearing on whether or not I see him as a "lying scumbag POS". Nobody can really know what happens except you and Manning, so there's no reason I can form an opinion one way or another.
Both of you seem like pretty reasonable people, and I haven't witnessed either of you lying or cheating the system. So to say the only people who don't think CV is a lying scumbag are "mental midgets (lol), illogical people, or people who make false assumptions" is in itself a huge false assumption. That false assumption being that people actually CARE about what went on between you and they base their opinion on both agents upon those events.
And before you say "well you just need to do more research into what happened to get the facts straight", really think about what you're saying. To say we can get the facts by "researching more" is laughable, because it's just your word against his. Like I said, I'll probably never know the real facts, so it's futile (thought you'd like this choice in words).
You misinterpreted my post. I said those terms in conjunction with having identified with CV as being correct in his rationale for calling me a liar in that if you agreed with his rationale you have to either ACCEPT LIES and assume they are true in order to follow his logic, therefore those negative qualities are tied into the thought process of which I was eluding to. Not in general that if you like CV you must be those things.
ITT I take the higher ground
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Originally posted by Ladyzman
I take 1 day off the forums and i miss everything!
So let me see...
Im a new person, well not too new, but relatively new compared to most of you here.
My thought on momz...
Seems like a decent guy. No reason to hate him yet :-)
My thoughts on TSE
You write a lot of info, and it seems legit. Maybe sometimes you can cut it down and not try to pack it full of knowledge, but other than that, GO Detroit Lions!
BTW why "momz"?
I take 1 day off the forums and i miss everything!
So let me see...
Im a new person, well not too new, but relatively new compared to most of you here.
My thought on momz...
Seems like a decent guy. No reason to hate him yet :-)
My thoughts on TSE
You write a lot of info, and it seems legit. Maybe sometimes you can cut it down and not try to pack it full of knowledge, but other than that, GO Detroit Lions!
BTW why "momz"?
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Originally posted by Ladyzman
Originally posted by coachviking
BTW why "momz"?
Cocaine is a hell of a drug!
OooooKAY.....
Originally posted by coachviking
BTW why "momz"?
Cocaine is a hell of a drug!
OooooKAY.....
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TSE tried to rig the final game to win the trophy. Pretty sad IMO. CV- you are a class act in my book.
TSE will be down to AAA next season, so no worries.
TSE will be down to AAA next season, so no worries.
Edited by tomcollins on Jul 24, 2009 20:50:08
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Originally posted by tomcollins
TSE tried to rig the final game to win the trophy. Pretty sad IMO. CV- you are a class act in my book.
TSE will be down to AAA next season, so no worries.
*tips hat*
TSE tried to rig the final game to win the trophy. Pretty sad IMO. CV- you are a class act in my book.
TSE will be down to AAA next season, so no worries.
*tips hat*
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Originally posted by tomcollins
TSE tried to rig the final game to win the trophy. Pretty sad IMO. CV- you are a class act in my book.
TSE will be down to AAA next season, so no worries.
Pretty sad that this game can have an RB put up the rushing and rec'g stats that he did, the nature of the game is sad and bizarre. I did a lot more than send a PM to rig the contest. My PM to you did NOTHING to help me get the yards for the WR, it didn't gain us ANY benefit. I got the yards by selecting double targets for my QB and choosing only 2 WR routes so that odds would be high that he would get targeted a lot, and a lot of long passes hoping to get a couple breaks on some long ones, which we got a pair of 70+ yarders. That coupled with not running the ball secured the victory, not sending you a PM in a desperate attempt to increase my chances.
TSE tried to rig the final game to win the trophy. Pretty sad IMO. CV- you are a class act in my book.
TSE will be down to AAA next season, so no worries.
Pretty sad that this game can have an RB put up the rushing and rec'g stats that he did, the nature of the game is sad and bizarre. I did a lot more than send a PM to rig the contest. My PM to you did NOTHING to help me get the yards for the WR, it didn't gain us ANY benefit. I got the yards by selecting double targets for my QB and choosing only 2 WR routes so that odds would be high that he would get targeted a lot, and a lot of long passes hoping to get a couple breaks on some long ones, which we got a pair of 70+ yarders. That coupled with not running the ball secured the victory, not sending you a PM in a desperate attempt to increase my chances.
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Originally posted by PP
Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
Therefore, MH, CV, and the MEM GMs that participated = a bunch of pieces of shit. They made their own beds, a bed of shit throwing and without cause.
One last comment/attempt to give ya a hand, TSE, and I'm out. I swear.................They may or may not have made their own bed of shit, but, no matter how you look at it, by continuing to fight with them over this you are allowing them to make you sleep in it. It can be hard to try viewing things from an outside perspective when you're in the middle of a shit storm, but, trust me on this, you are 100% playing into their hands by allowing yourself to get wrapped up in this all these ssns later. You just keep your mouth shut and they look foolish. Instead, keep allowing them to make you play the fool...Whether you're right or wrong, that's the reality of the situation. Sometimes being the bigger man means walking away. There, that's enough cliches to fill my quota for a month now.
It's irrelevant to me that I sleep in it. I don't play to boost my ego, and I don't mind laying in shit to serve what I believe is a good cuase, i don't consider it that big of a negative otherwise I wouldn't type the stuff that I type. It's worth it to me to look like a childish fool if I can slap the shit back to those that soooo very much deserve to have the truth known about them, thus hopefully this serves as an example that other people don't try overly shady stuff so they don't have a TSE-like nuclear response.
I'm a strategy expert remember? Don't you think that I have considered that I could have ALWAYS chosen to take the "moral high ground" or the "classy approach" or be a PC "yes man"? Sure I could have done that and marketed myself as a beacon of light and gained everybody's perceived respect, but I'm not trying to sell anybody on a glorified image. I see wrongdoers and all I care about is giving them a hard time because those type of people are disgusting and I despise them. Like I said before, I'm just taking out the trash, I don't care what the cost is of my personal equity, as I don't require everybody to pat me on the back and give me props and say they are proud of me in order for me to feel good about myself. I'm just doing what I think is the right thing to do, and I'm not going to change that. That's just how I'm wired.
Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
Therefore, MH, CV, and the MEM GMs that participated = a bunch of pieces of shit. They made their own beds, a bed of shit throwing and without cause.
One last comment/attempt to give ya a hand, TSE, and I'm out. I swear.................They may or may not have made their own bed of shit, but, no matter how you look at it, by continuing to fight with them over this you are allowing them to make you sleep in it. It can be hard to try viewing things from an outside perspective when you're in the middle of a shit storm, but, trust me on this, you are 100% playing into their hands by allowing yourself to get wrapped up in this all these ssns later. You just keep your mouth shut and they look foolish. Instead, keep allowing them to make you play the fool...Whether you're right or wrong, that's the reality of the situation. Sometimes being the bigger man means walking away. There, that's enough cliches to fill my quota for a month now.
It's irrelevant to me that I sleep in it. I don't play to boost my ego, and I don't mind laying in shit to serve what I believe is a good cuase, i don't consider it that big of a negative otherwise I wouldn't type the stuff that I type. It's worth it to me to look like a childish fool if I can slap the shit back to those that soooo very much deserve to have the truth known about them, thus hopefully this serves as an example that other people don't try overly shady stuff so they don't have a TSE-like nuclear response.
I'm a strategy expert remember?
Don't you think that I have considered that I could have ALWAYS chosen to take the "moral high ground" or the "classy approach" or be a PC "yes man"? Sure I could have done that and marketed myself as a beacon of light and gained everybody's perceived respect, but I'm not trying to sell anybody on a glorified image. I see wrongdoers and all I care about is giving them a hard time because those type of people are disgusting and I despise them. Like I said before, I'm just taking out the trash, I don't care what the cost is of my personal equity, as I don't require everybody to pat me on the back and give me props and say they are proud of me in order for me to feel good about myself. I'm just doing what I think is the right thing to do, and I'm not going to change that. That's just how I'm wired.Edited by The Strategy Expert on Jul 24, 2009 21:37:09
Edited by The Strategy Expert on Jul 24, 2009 21:36:07
Edited by The Strategy Expert on Jul 24, 2009 21:34:58
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Originally posted by PP
Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
where are you finding offense in what I have to say..................So I dont even know what you are talking about in offering me an "out", an "out" for what? What are you getting at?
I'm not and didn't find offense in anything you said. I think some of it is way off (the he was being great to me to get at you type stuff) and put forth my opinion, but no offense on my end. I know this is going to sound fucked up, but I was just trying to stick up for someone that I see as a damn good GLB friend, as well as trying to do you a favor. I suspect I think higher of you than the majority here. Like everyone, you have some quirks (OK, maybe more than most), but I don't see you as the horrid person that most here seem to. I was just trying to give you a way out of this, what, 4-5 ssn, senseless pissing match. Even if you're 100% right, as I suggested way back when it started, just let it go...All it does is make you look bad.
You're right. None of this is any of my business. I just get tired of watching you get pounded on so much (even if your mannerisms do bring much of it onto yourself). I should have just stayed out of it. GL.
Indeed you make very good points, I totally understand your perspective and you are making sensible and practical observations. My post above will clarify my position, as I have just not been deterred by being viewed by others as "bad" or "rotten". There's already an overabundance of people that think less of me because of things that I have posted, and that's understandable, I get that. But I'm a very legit and straightforward guy, and the last thing I would ever do was put on a good behavior dog and pony show, just to serve as a cliche good example. I just want to stand up to those that I feel need to be put in their place.
Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
where are you finding offense in what I have to say..................So I dont even know what you are talking about in offering me an "out", an "out" for what? What are you getting at?
I'm not and didn't find offense in anything you said. I think some of it is way off (the he was being great to me to get at you type stuff) and put forth my opinion, but no offense on my end. I know this is going to sound fucked up, but I was just trying to stick up for someone that I see as a damn good GLB friend, as well as trying to do you a favor. I suspect I think higher of you than the majority here. Like everyone, you have some quirks (OK, maybe more than most), but I don't see you as the horrid person that most here seem to. I was just trying to give you a way out of this, what, 4-5 ssn, senseless pissing match. Even if you're 100% right, as I suggested way back when it started, just let it go...All it does is make you look bad.
You're right. None of this is any of my business. I just get tired of watching you get pounded on so much (even if your mannerisms do bring much of it onto yourself). I should have just stayed out of it. GL.
Indeed you make very good points, I totally understand your perspective and you are making sensible and practical observations. My post above will clarify my position, as I have just not been deterred by being viewed by others as "bad" or "rotten". There's already an overabundance of people that think less of me because of things that I have posted, and that's understandable, I get that. But I'm a very legit and straightforward guy, and the last thing I would ever do was put on a good behavior dog and pony show, just to serve as a cliche good example. I just want to stand up to those that I feel need to be put in their place.
Edited by The Strategy Expert on Jul 24, 2009 21:34:22
Edited by The Strategy Expert on Jul 24, 2009 21:33:07
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