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This will have the net effect of ruining USAPL. Teams that promote from here aren't coming back in the forseeable future.

Originally posted by ddingo
This will have the net effect of ruining USAPL. Teams that promote from here aren't coming back in the forseeable future.

Not sure it would "ruin" it as the goal would no longer be USAPL but WPL.


Either way, I'm just kind of playing the devils advocate to make people think about what they really want as I do not actually want to see a world league. I think some of the fun of not having one is the debate between regions, trying to rank teams from different regions, and having tournaments to try and figure this all out.

Originally posted by Galkuris
Originally posted by Mercaptopropyl

Originally posted by Galkuris


Originally posted by BBVD



Originally posted by tomcollins




Mercaptopropyl -
Suppose Southeast Asia Pro League sends up 4 teams initially. All 4 teams suck and get demoted the next year, that means that 4 teams would have to move up (in order to give those teams spots).

I don't quite follow how the relegation would work. Either there are an equal number of teams from each league perpetually in WPL, or teams have the chance to get shuffled to a different region when they get demoted.

2 SEA teams would come back

And if they are all 4 of the worst 8 teams in the World League? That makes no sense at all. The worst teams in a league should get demoted period or else there is no point in having it.

If they are all the bottom 4 or even just all 4 in the bottom 8 teams in their World League conferences then it means in Season 11 SEAPL had 4 teams representing them, but in Season 12 they will have only 2 teams representing them. All 4 teams from Season 11 will return to SEAPL, and the league will be represented by 2 completely new teams.

This ensures that each season every Pro League is guaranteed to have at least 2 teams representing them every season, and that the number of teams per League is almost certainly going to change every season.

In Season 12 with their 2 teams they have the chance to have 4 teams representing the World League again in Season 13 if they both make the playoffs, 3 teams if one team makes the playoffs, and the 2 team minimum again in Season 13 if neither of their replacement teams makes the playoffs.

Ok, that makes more sense then when I read it the first time:

Season 11: All regions have 4 teams.
Season 12: SEAPL has 4 demoted, USAPL has 0 Demoted (just for an example)
----------------World League has 2 SEAPL and 6 USAPL teams
---USA makes up for not having any demotions by promoting 2 extra teams all the way down the chain
---So SEAPL just demotes 2 more teams all the way down?

(This is actually one of the options I was thinking would work the best)



This could work, demoting extra teams out of the worst league's Pro leagues. The other option is moving teams into USA Pro that used to be in SEAPL or something.

I'd love to see a world league but I have no idea how they'll pull it off. WIth the current bracket promotion structure they're skipping two tiers, which should cause problems for as long as the world league is in place.

Alternatives like adding two additional tiers to the global bracket would be a logistical nightmare. If it was implemented right at the creation of GLB something like this might have worked:


North America (US + Canada)
Europe (Eastern + Western)
Pacific (Oceana + Southeast Asia)
Atlantic (Africa + South America)

Northern Hemisphere (North America + Europe)
Southern Hemisphere (Pacific + Atlantic)

World League (Southern Hemisphere + Northern Hemisphere)

But at this point trying to shoehorn a world league in will probably be a clusterfuck.

Originally posted by Saris
I'd love to see a world league but I have no idea how they'll pull it off. WIth the current bracket promotion structure they're skipping two tiers, which should cause problems for as long as the world league is in place.

Alternatives like adding two additional tiers to the global bracket would be a logistical nightmare. If it was implemented right at the creation of GLB something like this might have worked:


North America (US + Canada)
Europe (Eastern + Western)
Pacific (Oceana + Southeast Asia)
Atlantic (Africa + South America)

Northern Hemisphere (North America + Europe)
Southern Hemisphere (Pacific + Atlantic)

World League (Southern Hemisphere + Northern Hemisphere)

But at this point trying to shoehorn a world league in will probably be a clusterfuck.

Shocking a Clusterfuck with the GLB league structure YOU SIR must be mistaken

Originally posted by coachviking
Originally posted by Saris

I'd love to see a world league but I have no idea how they'll pull it off. WIth the current bracket promotion structure they're skipping two tiers, which should cause problems for as long as the world league is in place.

Alternatives like adding two additional tiers to the global bracket would be a logistical nightmare. If it was implemented right at the creation of GLB something like this might have worked:


North America (US + Canada)
Europe (Eastern + Western)
Pacific (Oceana + Southeast Asia)
Atlantic (Africa + South America)

Northern Hemisphere (North America + Europe)
Southern Hemisphere (Pacific + Atlantic)

World League (Southern Hemisphere + Northern Hemisphere)

But at this point trying to shoehorn a world league in will probably be a clusterfuck.

Shocking a Clusterfuck with the GLB league structure YOU SIR must be mistaken

clusterfucks in GLB?

never heard of them.

Originally posted by tomcollins
Originally posted by Mercaptopropyl

Originally posted by Galkuris


Originally posted by BBVD



Originally posted by tomcollins




Mercaptopropyl -
Suppose Southeast Asia Pro League sends up 4 teams initially. All 4 teams suck and get demoted the next year, that means that 4 teams would have to move up (in order to give those teams spots).

I don't quite follow how the relegation would work. Either there are an equal number of teams from each league perpetually in WPL, or teams have the chance to get shuffled to a different region when they get demoted.

2 SEA teams would come back

And if they are all 4 of the worst 8 teams in the World League? That makes no sense at all. The worst teams in a league should get demoted period or else there is no point in having it.

If they are all the bottom 4 or even just all 4 in the bottom 8 teams in their World League conferences then it means in Season 11 SEAPL had 4 teams representing them, but in Season 12 they will have only 2 teams representing them. All 4 teams from Season 11 will return to SEAPL, and the league will be represented by 2 completely new teams.

This ensures that each season every Pro League is guaranteed to have at least 2 teams representing them every season, and that the number of teams per League is almost certainly going to change every season.

In Season 12 with their 2 teams they have the chance to have 4 teams representing the World League again in Season 13 if they both make the playoffs, 3 teams if one team makes the playoffs, and the 2 team minimum again in Season 13 if neither of their replacement teams makes the playoffs.

It's not making sense to me. Season 1 there are 4 teams from SEAPL. There are 32 teams in SEAPL that season. Say all 4 teams suck ass and get demoted. You are saying only demote the worst 2? That means there are 34 teams in SEAPL in Season 2. What do you do with the extra 2 teams? Doesn't your plan have the top 2 teams getting promoted no matter what? Then you always have 4 teams from each conference in.

Then say you have a league like USAPL that has 4 teams all make the playoffs. I'm assuming none of them get demoted, right? But what do you do with the Season 11 USAPL champions that would get promoted?

I don't quite understand how your promotion and relegation works (and I don't think you do either). Try explaining it a little simpler, perhaps? It might make sense in your head right now, but once you try to actually write it down you will realize you can't actually do what you are saying.


I am saying you demote all 4 teams since they did terrible. However, 16 teams are staying in the World League, so that only leaves 16 openings. You give each region two of those openings, which guarantees each league is represented by a minimum of 2 teams each season. The number of teams you have in the World League would change from year to year depending on how many teams from SEAPL make the playoffs, but at minimum they will always have 2 teams, because even if all of their teams get demoted at the end of the season, they will have 2 new teams come up to replace them.

If all 4 USAPL teams made the playoffs, you are right, I wouldn't demote any of them. The Season 11 USAPL conference champions would each earn a promotion, and the USAPL would have 6 teams representing them in the World League for Season 12. Each region can only gain up to 2 spots in the World League per season, and that is only if all of their teams manage to make the playoffs. That's might be easy when you have 2 teams or 4 teams, but the more teams you have in the World League the tougher it will become for your league to gain additional spots in it.


It's theoretically possible that say the USAPL had 8 teams in the World League after two seasons. Then the next year they all miss the playoffs, and you have 8 teams being demoted, with 2 promoting, so a net gain of 6 extra teams in USA Pro and so 3 extra teams from each conference would have to be moved down to AAA.

However, if any league manages to work their way up to a high number of teams like that (8 teams would be 1/4 of the League), then it's probably highly unlikely they would ever lose so many teams at once. If they have 8 teams and only 4 (half) of them make the playoffs, that only means a net loss of 2 teams from the World League, and so each conference in USAPL would lose either a gutted team or their 14th place team, and USAPL would have 6 teams representing them the next season in the World League.

I honestly don't think you're going to find a better system than the plan I've proposed (and others have suggested the same plan as well). It keeps a region from being able to fall off the map completely even if they are "weaker" than other regions. The less teams they have in the World League the stronger their Pro League should be, and with two fresh teams going up each season they are always guaranteed a shot at earning more representation for their league.

On the other end of the spectrum, a stronger region like USA would have an increasingly harder time adding to their total of teams in the World League, and (especially if you look at this in the long run) having more teams in the World League would result in more AAA teams being called up to Pro. The stronger regions will have more teams representing them in the World League initially, but especially if they gain a large share of the World League, their Pro League will likely suffer in strength somewhat and hopefully balance out more with the strength of the other Pro Leagues who may have more of their top teams that have either stayed behind or dropped back down.

Keep in mind even if USAPL somehow had the top 14 teams after Season X, the next season they would have 16 teams in the league, and for them to have more than that for Season X+1 they would have to have to fill 15 of the 16 playoff spots in the World League. To maintain 14 teams in the World League they would have 16 teams that have to fill 14 of the 16 playoff spots every single season. The constraints are in place to keep the World League from ever getting too dominated by any one region.

Originally posted by sckbleh
Originally posted by chronoaug

I think the first season it'd have to be 4 from each. After that though, i don't think it needs to be mandatory 4 teams from each region and the bottom teams should be relegated regardless

...relegated where? What happens when the USA Pro teams all make the playoffs and none of the OPL teams do? Do you relegate the OPL teams back to OPL and replace them with 4 new OPL teams that can't hang, or do you relegate them to USA Pro and put more USA Pro teams into the WPL?

Teams are not going to be happy if they end up swapping regions as a result of being destroyed in the World League for one season. Nor should they be happy.

But if that doesn't happen, the 'World League' will be a sham, not a true gathering of the top teams





just would mean to me 1 of 2 things...

1) Every leagues top 4 are promoted to WPL. At the end of the season, those teams are recycled by the next teams so it would essentially end up being an every other season thing for a team that is really good year in and year out.

2) Every leagues top 4 are promoted to WPL. At the end of the season only the bottom 16 drop back to their respective leagues for recycle. Meaning that a USA Pro or CPL team looking for Promotion to the WPL maybe SOL.

Everyone, please stop calling it WPL

http://www.glbwiki.com/index.php?title=World_Pro_League

I think the Pro World Tournament already has the perfect setup for this with soccer champions league/world cup format. Instead of having Bort screwing this up, like we all know he will, all he has to do is to give the PWT the status it deserves as the most important trophy to win in GLB.

Originally posted by Sik Wit It
Everyone, please stop calling it WPL

http://www.glbwiki.com/index.php?title=World_Pro_League

lol marvelous!

Sad that only three of us are left. The good truly do die young.

Originally posted by Mercaptopropyl
Originally posted by tomcollins

Originally posted by Mercaptopropyl


Originally posted by Galkuris



Originally posted by BBVD




Originally posted by tomcollins





Mercaptopropyl -
Suppose Southeast Asia Pro League sends up 4 teams initially. All 4 teams suck and get demoted the next year, that means that 4 teams would have to move up (in order to give those teams spots).

I don't quite follow how the relegation would work. Either there are an equal number of teams from each league perpetually in WPL, or teams have the chance to get shuffled to a different region when they get demoted.

2 SEA teams would come back

And if they are all 4 of the worst 8 teams in the World League? That makes no sense at all. The worst teams in a league should get demoted period or else there is no point in having it.

If they are all the bottom 4 or even just all 4 in the bottom 8 teams in their World League conferences then it means in Season 11 SEAPL had 4 teams representing them, but in Season 12 they will have only 2 teams representing them. All 4 teams from Season 11 will return to SEAPL, and the league will be represented by 2 completely new teams.

This ensures that each season every Pro League is guaranteed to have at least 2 teams representing them every season, and that the number of teams per League is almost certainly going to change every season.

In Season 12 with their 2 teams they have the chance to have 4 teams representing the World League again in Season 13 if they both make the playoffs, 3 teams if one team makes the playoffs, and the 2 team minimum again in Season 13 if neither of their replacement teams makes the playoffs.

It's not making sense to me. Season 1 there are 4 teams from SEAPL. There are 32 teams in SEAPL that season. Say all 4 teams suck ass and get demoted. You are saying only demote the worst 2? That means there are 34 teams in SEAPL in Season 2. What do you do with the extra 2 teams? Doesn't your plan have the top 2 teams getting promoted no matter what? Then you always have 4 teams from each conference in.

Then say you have a league like USAPL that has 4 teams all make the playoffs. I'm assuming none of them get demoted, right? But what do you do with the Season 11 USAPL champions that would get promoted?

I don't quite understand how your promotion and relegation works (and I don't think you do either). Try explaining it a little simpler, perhaps? It might make sense in your head right now, but once you try to actually write it down you will realize you can't actually do what you are saying.


I am saying you demote all 4 teams since they did terrible. However, 16 teams are staying in the World League, so that only leaves 16 openings. You give each region two of those openings, which guarantees each league is represented by a minimum of 2 teams each season. The number of teams you have in the World League would change from year to year depending on how many teams from SEAPL make the playoffs, but at minimum they will always have 2 teams, because even if all of their teams get demoted at the end of the season, they will have 2 new teams come up to replace them.

If all 4 USAPL teams made the playoffs, you are right, I wouldn't demote any of them. The Season 11 USAPL conference champions would each earn a promotion, and the USAPL would have 6 teams representing them in the World League for Season 12. Each region can only gain up to 2 spots in the World League per season, and that is only if all of their teams manage to make the playoffs. That's might be easy when you have 2 teams or 4 teams, but the more teams you have in the World League the tougher it will become for your league to gain additional spots in it.


It's theoretically possible that say the USAPL had 8 teams in the World League after two seasons. Then the next year they all miss the playoffs, and you have 8 teams being demoted, with 2 promoting, so a net gain of 6 extra teams in USA Pro and so 3 extra teams from each conference would have to be moved down to AAA.

However, if any league manages to work their way up to a high number of teams like that (8 teams would be 1/4 of the League), then it's probably highly unlikely they would ever lose so many teams at once. If they have 8 teams and only 4 (half) of them make the playoffs, that only means a net loss of 2 teams from the World League, and so each conference in USAPL would lose either a gutted team or their 14th place team, and USAPL would have 6 teams representing them the next season in the World League.


Where do you demote the 4 teams from the same league? You would have to either A) relegate extra teams from Pro to AAA or B) move teams down into Pro leagues they didn't originally compete in.

Your promotion plan works, but what is your relegation plan? It's not very clear. Both options seem like they are going to be big problems to a lot of people.

heh, I wonder are West Scranton Invaders wishing they stayed in Oceania Pro League

Originally posted by tomcollins

Where do you demote the 4 teams from the same league? You would have to either A) relegate extra teams from Pro to AAA or B) move teams down into Pro leagues they didn't originally compete in.

Your promotion plan works, but what is your relegation plan? It's not very clear. Both options seem like they are going to be big problems to a lot of people.
Relegate extra teams from Pro to AAA - max one per Pro conference is all that would be needed (4 teams coming down from the WL back to their Pro league - 2 in each conference - and 2 teams coming up as the current champs and runners up, so room for two more in the Pro league - 1 in each conference - is all that is needed in the worst case.*)

Besides,

- Extra teams would be getting promoted from AAA to Pro to fill spots as the World League gets started.

- Extra teams would be getting promoted from AAA to Pro if a region's WL reps stayed in the WL each season.

^ those two situations surely wouldn't be complained about, but are just the opposite side of the possible extra demotion thing. As long as it's all spelled out ahead of time and everyone knows that the chance exists for more AAA's (1 or 2) to be called up or more Pro's (1 or 2) to be sent down, then it shouldn't be a problem. If your region's reps stay in the WL, any extra relegation won't hurt you.


* OK, maybe not the worst case ... say many seasons from now, USAPL has sent 16 teams to the WL and they all tank in one season and all miss the playoffs. They would all be sent back to the USAPL and bump 14 teams down.