bruiser has been proven time and again to be worthwhile. i, personally, saw major improvements between switching in and out of it several times.
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power backs work if you build them right. you need to first triple cap strength then triple cap carrying. then double cap speed. also use bruiser VA
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Originally posted by xpwninsomenubsx
power backs work if you build them right. you need to first triple cap strength then triple cap carrying. then double cap speed. also use bruiser VA
I'd say that's not hte best way to build a powerback.
power backs work if you build them right. you need to first triple cap strength then triple cap carrying. then double cap speed. also use bruiser VA
I'd say that's not hte best way to build a powerback.
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Originally posted by KCScott
Originally posted by Chetro
Originally posted by KCScott
Originally posted by Spielmannsfluch
Bruiser working only within about 8 yards of the Line really hurt.
Bruiser doesn't work - period.
Last year my PB had 15 bruiser and was TFL 10 times in 194 caries (.05%) - the season before with zero in Bruiser he was TFL 6 times in 267 carries (.02%)
Just like so many other VAs - worthless crap
You also played on a different team, different league last year. Could have a lot to do with different competition and different blocking.
Possible - but doubtful, A teams both seasons - similar personnel and strategies.
Oh and Viscount is a dumbass - I'll rank builds with her any time.
Lol, I'm the dumbass when everyone in this thread clearly disagrees with your opinion on Bruiser.
I love the immature internet "tough guys" such as yourself, who when someone merely disagrees with them they get all defensive and resort to feeble name calling.
Finally, since you put forth the challenge let's open our builds and let everyone else decide who's is better? I have nothing to hide, my HBs put up great stats and have good builds, but I bet you won't open yours...
Here are the open builds of my HBs that are a relatively similar level to yours:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=839481
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=958250
Let's see if you man up and open your HB's build or girl down and keep it closed as I expect?
Originally posted by Chetro
Originally posted by KCScott
Originally posted by Spielmannsfluch
Bruiser working only within about 8 yards of the Line really hurt.
Bruiser doesn't work - period.
Last year my PB had 15 bruiser and was TFL 10 times in 194 caries (.05%) - the season before with zero in Bruiser he was TFL 6 times in 267 carries (.02%)
Just like so many other VAs - worthless crap
You also played on a different team, different league last year. Could have a lot to do with different competition and different blocking.
Possible - but doubtful, A teams both seasons - similar personnel and strategies.
Oh and Viscount is a dumbass - I'll rank builds with her any time.
Lol, I'm the dumbass when everyone in this thread clearly disagrees with your opinion on Bruiser.
I love the immature internet "tough guys" such as yourself, who when someone merely disagrees with them they get all defensive and resort to feeble name calling.
Finally, since you put forth the challenge let's open our builds and let everyone else decide who's is better? I have nothing to hide, my HBs put up great stats and have good builds, but I bet you won't open yours...
Here are the open builds of my HBs that are a relatively similar level to yours:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=839481
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=958250
Let's see if you man up and open your HB's build or girl down and keep it closed as I expect?
Edited by Viscount on Jul 2, 2009 16:00:00
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The powerback didn't get nerfed out of it's existance, the tackling system took a big turn to defenders but good builds at powerback can still prevail.
my Powerback is still making his way through, he's a little underleveld for his league, but he still produces regularly.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=666174
It's all about the build, this guy wasn't even slowbuilt and he is keeping up... if you want some help on figuring out the ins and outs of a good Power build let me know.
(on a side note I know viscount is a good builder and you should take his advice, he's probably the second best RB builds expert I know)
bruiser does work, but no VA is going to take a low carry/str combo into breaking every tackle 8 yards from the linr of scrimmage.
my Powerback is still making his way through, he's a little underleveld for his league, but he still produces regularly.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=666174
It's all about the build, this guy wasn't even slowbuilt and he is keeping up... if you want some help on figuring out the ins and outs of a good Power build let me know.
(on a side note I know viscount is a good builder and you should take his advice, he's probably the second best RB builds expert I know)
bruiser does work, but no VA is going to take a low carry/str combo into breaking every tackle 8 yards from the linr of scrimmage.
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Originally posted by whatje
try less speed, more agility on ferrell.
he actually should have 68 capped one of those skills before building up the others, wasting points over the 68 cap on skills like agility and carry is just irresponsible
try less speed, more agility on ferrell.
he actually should have 68 capped one of those skills before building up the others, wasting points over the 68 cap on skills like agility and carry is just irresponsible
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Originally posted by Viscount
Lol, I'm the dumbass when everyone in this thread clearly disagrees with your opinion on Bruiser.
Let them agree all they want - I don't base my opinions on the opinions of others. Maybe they think they "see" it better but I already provided the stats to back my positions.
Numbers don't lie.
Originally posted by
I love the immature internet "tough guys" such as yourself, who when someone merely disagrees with them they get all defensive and resort to feeble name calling.
You're the one that called out my build - if your delicate feelings were bruised with my reply that's your problem
Originally posted by
Finally, since you put forth the challenge let's open our builds and let everyone else decide who's is better? I have nothing to hide, my HBs put up great stats and have good builds, but I bet you won't open yours...
Here are the open builds of my HBs that are a relatively similar level to yours:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=839481
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=958250
Let's see if you man up and open your HB's build or girl down and keep it closed as I expect?
Neither of those builds is a powerback - the #1 looks like you were trying then decided speed was more important than strength or carrying. Ferrell is an elusive.
It's comparing apples to trucks and I can see why both of yours are playing in the Minors.
I won't open it, since players at my level actually scout the opposition - but here's the build so your panties don't get bunched:
Edit Out
Lol, I'm the dumbass when everyone in this thread clearly disagrees with your opinion on Bruiser.
Let them agree all they want - I don't base my opinions on the opinions of others. Maybe they think they "see" it better but I already provided the stats to back my positions.
Numbers don't lie.
Originally posted by
I love the immature internet "tough guys" such as yourself, who when someone merely disagrees with them they get all defensive and resort to feeble name calling.
You're the one that called out my build - if your delicate feelings were bruised with my reply that's your problem
Originally posted by
Finally, since you put forth the challenge let's open our builds and let everyone else decide who's is better? I have nothing to hide, my HBs put up great stats and have good builds, but I bet you won't open yours...
Here are the open builds of my HBs that are a relatively similar level to yours:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=839481
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=958250
Let's see if you man up and open your HB's build or girl down and keep it closed as I expect?
Neither of those builds is a powerback - the #1 looks like you were trying then decided speed was more important than strength or carrying. Ferrell is an elusive.
It's comparing apples to trucks and I can see why both of yours are playing in the Minors.
I won't open it, since players at my level actually scout the opposition - but here's the build so your panties don't get bunched:
Edit Out
Edited by KCScott on Jul 3, 2009 09:12:37
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Originally posted by Raid
(on a side note I know viscount is a good builder and you should take his advice, he's probably the second best RB builds expert I know)
Well now you've met me so I guess that drops him to #3. And you should really try and meet more builders.
Originally posted by
bruiser does work, but no VA is going to take a low carry/str combo into breaking every tackle 8 yards from the linr of scrimmage.
As you see, neither one of those attributes are a problem.
The bottom line, like I stated before is that the VA doesn't work and I've put up the data to prove it - specfically the TFL with and without it.
Unless you document every single run your player makes and whether he broke a tackle within 8 yds. of the LOS I don't see any other way to measure it.
(on a side note I know viscount is a good builder and you should take his advice, he's probably the second best RB builds expert I know)
Well now you've met me so I guess that drops him to #3. And you should really try and meet more builders.
Originally posted by
bruiser does work, but no VA is going to take a low carry/str combo into breaking every tackle 8 yards from the linr of scrimmage.
As you see, neither one of those attributes are a problem.
The bottom line, like I stated before is that the VA doesn't work and I've put up the data to prove it - specfically the TFL with and without it.
Unless you document every single run your player makes and whether he broke a tackle within 8 yds. of the LOS I don't see any other way to measure it.
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Originally posted by KCScott
The bottom line, like I stated before is that the VA doesn't work and I've put up the data to prove it - specfically the TFL with and without it.
Bort has stated that momentum is a factor in breaking tackles and when your HB is in the backfield I'm pretty sure that he doesn't have much momentum.
Originally posted by whatje
There's a VA specially for TFL...just saying....
He doesn't have the necessary vision (40) for the Short Yardage Monster VA.
The bottom line, like I stated before is that the VA doesn't work and I've put up the data to prove it - specfically the TFL with and without it.
Bort has stated that momentum is a factor in breaking tackles and when your HB is in the backfield I'm pretty sure that he doesn't have much momentum.
Originally posted by whatje
There's a VA specially for TFL...just saying....
He doesn't have the necessary vision (40) for the Short Yardage Monster VA.
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Originally posted by KCScott
Neither of those builds is a powerback - the #1 looks like you were trying then decided speed was more important than strength or carrying.
My HB The #1 may not be a true power back, but he breaks as amany tackles as your HB, just saying.....
Insult the Minors if you want but a AA league isn't exactly much better.
Neither of those builds is a powerback - the #1 looks like you were trying then decided speed was more important than strength or carrying.
My HB The #1 may not be a true power back, but he breaks as amany tackles as your HB, just saying.....
Insult the Minors if you want but a AA league isn't exactly much better.
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Viscount's first listed HB is definitely a power back. He has the required strength, and every speculated important power back SA as well as a power back VA. His carrying could be a little higher, but having speed high doesn't make you not a power back.
Also, Bruiser works.
Numbers don't lie but they don't mean anything when you take them out of context.
If you play different opponents, logic tells you you're dealing with different builds, schemes, tactics, and people (which adds in the chaos equation) there is no resolute way to say "I changed ___ attribute and ___ happened as a result" You don't know the full course of the cause and effect.
I think the problem you're seeing here is you want Bruiser to actually raise your chance to break a tackle by some great frequency, but since it's coded as multiplicative and not additive, you won't.
If you have let's say a 30% chance to break a tackle on a ROLB who is coming at you at the perfect angle and has his own set of attributes to counter your own (the 30% chance is assuming all of this at the sub total of the equation) and then you factor in Bruiser at maximum, which is a 45% increase your new chance to break the tackle is not 75%, it's 43.5%, and that's assuming your chance was 30% to begin with.
If you're playing in a good league, and you're cocky so I'm assuming you think it's one of the best, then give a little credit to your opponents. They love to tackle you. It's their goal in life.
Also, Bruiser works.
Numbers don't lie but they don't mean anything when you take them out of context.
If you play different opponents, logic tells you you're dealing with different builds, schemes, tactics, and people (which adds in the chaos equation) there is no resolute way to say "I changed ___ attribute and ___ happened as a result" You don't know the full course of the cause and effect.
I think the problem you're seeing here is you want Bruiser to actually raise your chance to break a tackle by some great frequency, but since it's coded as multiplicative and not additive, you won't.
If you have let's say a 30% chance to break a tackle on a ROLB who is coming at you at the perfect angle and has his own set of attributes to counter your own (the 30% chance is assuming all of this at the sub total of the equation) and then you factor in Bruiser at maximum, which is a 45% increase your new chance to break the tackle is not 75%, it's 43.5%, and that's assuming your chance was 30% to begin with.
If you're playing in a good league, and you're cocky so I'm assuming you think it's one of the best, then give a little credit to your opponents. They love to tackle you. It's their goal in life.
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The only way to determine if Bruiser truly works, other than the TFL stats I referenced earlier, would be to document every run you made in a season and then count how many broken tackles you made within 8 yds. of LOS. Then play the next season without the geaar and do same. As a couple of you have mentioned - different teams / play calling and level of blockers could affect whether it works.
One of the problems in GLB is the basic assumption that things they add to the game actually work and are tested just beacuse Bort said they do.
To do a true test you would need to run the scenario twice - with identical teams, builds, calls, formations, etc. - with and without the VA on then count how many broken tackles occured as described in the VA.
I just don't think they do this level of testing.
I think it's a lot more like:
Originally posted by
If you have let's say a 30% chance to break a tackle on a ROLB who is coming at you at the perfect angle and has his own set of attributes to counter your own (the 30% chance is assuming all of this at the sub total of the equation) and then you factor in Bruiser at maximum, which is a 45% increase your new chance to break the tackle is not 75%, it's 43.5%, and that's assuming your chance was 30% to begin with.
Which is misreprentative of how it should be described in the VA.
For those of you that saw my build while I had it opened, I put the VA into the attributes (WW & SG) where the add to the major attributes I believe will have a bigger impact on determining whether a tackle is broken than Bruiser.
One of the problems in GLB is the basic assumption that things they add to the game actually work and are tested just beacuse Bort said they do.
To do a true test you would need to run the scenario twice - with identical teams, builds, calls, formations, etc. - with and without the VA on then count how many broken tackles occured as described in the VA.
I just don't think they do this level of testing.
I think it's a lot more like:
Originally posted by
If you have let's say a 30% chance to break a tackle on a ROLB who is coming at you at the perfect angle and has his own set of attributes to counter your own (the 30% chance is assuming all of this at the sub total of the equation) and then you factor in Bruiser at maximum, which is a 45% increase your new chance to break the tackle is not 75%, it's 43.5%, and that's assuming your chance was 30% to begin with.
Which is misreprentative of how it should be described in the VA.
For those of you that saw my build while I had it opened, I put the VA into the attributes (WW & SG) where the add to the major attributes I believe will have a bigger impact on determining whether a tackle is broken than Bruiser.
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Originally posted by Viscount
My HB The #1 may not be a true power back, but he breaks as amany tackles as your HB, just saying.....
Insult the Minors if you want but a AA league isn't exactly much better.
Your player plays in a capped league - and if you really don't think my AA league or team is much better - I'll be happy to arrange a scrimage vs Kodiak Island and show you what the difference is.
If your interested have your Owner PM me
My HB The #1 may not be a true power back, but he breaks as amany tackles as your HB, just saying.....
Insult the Minors if you want but a AA league isn't exactly much better.
Your player plays in a capped league - and if you really don't think my AA league or team is much better - I'll be happy to arrange a scrimage vs Kodiak Island and show you what the difference is.
If your interested have your Owner PM me
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