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no one is nerfing the defense. this was a mistake admitted by bort and mods. no one is nerfing anything but fixing a mistake bort made. Same with fumbles because bort was stupid and didn't code the fumbling correctly. It's not our fault bort won't hire more coders with experience to test things.


man. some people. i really don't get it. kron, i'm not going insane am i? people are actually this dense?



cliff notes

4/28 - 5/13 - knocked loose plays happen a good amount and everybody is ok with it

5/14- present- bort accidentally caused ints to happen 30-50% of the time off of knocked loose passes that were not happening before. he admits it wasn't intended and cannot figure out exactly what he did wrong. Knocked loose passes still happen at same rate only now INTs happen half the time as a result.

what should happen- bort figures out what he accidentally did and either undoes it, or figures out a way to properly code INTs after knocked loose plays. The amount of knocked loose plays won't change whatsoever

Originally posted by chronoaug
no one is nerfing the defense. this was a mistake admitted by bort and mods. no one is nerfing anything but fixing a mistake bort made. Same with fumbles because bort was stupid and didn't code the fumbling correctly. It's not our fault bort won't hire more coders with experience to test things.


man. some people. i really don't get it. kron, i'm not going insane am i? people are actually this dense?

Look man, just because people have different opinions than you doesn't make you insane or other people dense.

All I am saying is that IF (and that's a big IF) this was a mistake, then it should/would be very easily fixed. The fact that it is not, makes me believe that it was intended by Bort and co.

Just because Bort says something doesn't make it the truth.

bort and co don't know what caused this. how does that mean it was intended? By definition, something that was intended must have......intent.

So instead you take the position that it's a conspiracy theory and that he really meant to have ints happen 30-50% of the time on knocked loose plays even though no one was complaining earlier in the season? and not that people are upset that he changed it without mentioning it, he's covering it up by saying it was an accident (even though he did it on purpose)?

good stuff.

Originally posted by datongw
Originally posted by chronoaug

no one is nerfing the defense. this was a mistake admitted by bort and mods. no one is nerfing anything but fixing a mistake bort made. Same with fumbles because bort was stupid and didn't code the fumbling correctly. It's not our fault bort won't hire more coders with experience to test things.


man. some people. i really don't get it. kron, i'm not going insane am i? people are actually this dense?

Look man, just because people have different opinions than you doesn't make you insane or other people dense.

All I am saying is that IF (and that's a big IF) this was a mistake, then it should/would be very easily fixed. The fact that it is not, makes me believe that it was intended by Bort and co.

Just because Bort says something doesn't make it the truth.

Just because it isn't easily fixed doesn't make it any less of a bug. iSlam anyone? How long did it take for that to get fixed?

You can't call something a nerf when it's fixing something that was never intended to happen at the rate it is.

It is not a nerf. It's fixing what needs to be fixed. That's like saying fixing the iSlam was an offensive nerf.

Man, INTs just don't happen out of the blue. You have to code them for them to happen, that is all that I am saying. Draw your own conclusion about what Bort says, I have mine, you can agree or disagree.

If Bort wants to eliminate the INT after knocked loose, all he needs to do is to remove the INT code after the knocked loose.

The sim does not have a mind of its own, it's freaking program and it will does what the programmer tells it to do.

Originally posted by datongw
I don't know what the code looks like, but it probably is something similar to this:

Pass thrown;
check for int;
check for deflection;
.
.
.
check for knock loose;
check for INT after knock loose;

Obviously, once the ball is knocked loose, Bort could easily end the play right there, calling it an incomplete pass. For INT to happen after knocked loose pass, there has to be additional code in there that checks for INTs after the knocked loose happened. These codes don't just appear out of the blue, someone has to put it in there. It's really not that difficult to find out why this is happening.

you'd think!!!

Or set INT chance to 2% or something.

Just read datongw's last post, agree 100%.

It's probably something like pitches using the same logic as a knocked loose pass. Then when he changes how defenders react to pitches on 5/14, inadvertently it changes the interception dynamic when the ball is knocked loose. I don't think it was an intentional change anyway.

Originally posted by datongw
Man, INTs just don't happen out of the blue. You have to code them for them to happen, that is all that I am saying. Draw your own conclusion about what Bort says, I have mine, you can agree or disagree.

If Bort wants to eliminate the INT after knocked loose, all he needs to do is to remove the INT code after the knocked loose.

The sim does not have a mind of its own, it's freaking program and it will does what the programmer tells it to do.


Eh, minor very very minor coding experience in my lifetime and im not sure of your qualifications so excuse me if I am wrong, but isn't it possible that the code isn't in your order? What if INT and PD and INT are in the same code. Do they have to be seperate codes INT and KL INT's? What if they are not? Then eliminating the KL INT's would eliminate INT"s all together? Does this make sense?

Originally posted by datongw
Man, INTs just don't happen out of the blue. You have to code them for them to happen, that is all that I am saying. Draw your own conclusion about what Bort says, I have mine, you can agree or disagree.

If Bort wants to eliminate the INT after knocked loose, all he needs to do is to remove the INT code after the knocked loose.

The sim does not have a mind of its own, it's freaking program and it will does what the programmer tells it to do.


+1

Originally posted by jtserb
Originally posted by datongw

Man, INTs just don't happen out of the blue. You have to code them for them to happen, that is all that I am saying. Draw your own conclusion about what Bort says, I have mine, you can agree or disagree.

If Bort wants to eliminate the INT after knocked loose, all he needs to do is to remove the INT code after the knocked loose.

The sim does not have a mind of its own, it's freaking program and it will does what the programmer tells it to do.


Eh, minor very very minor coding experience in my lifetime and im not sure of your qualifications so excuse me if I am wrong, but isn't it possible that the code isn't in your order? What if INT and PD and INT are in the same code. Do they have to be seperate codes INT and KL INT's? What if they are not? Then eliminating the KL INT's would eliminate INT"s all together? Does this make sense?

It's crap programming if it is.

Serious question.

Why do all of us keep playing this game if all we're going to do is bitch about it every season. And this isn't meant as a slam at anyone in particular because I've been just as guilty of it.

I'm just getting to the point that either A) I'm going to just play the game for what it is and stop complaining about it or B) just quit playing.

C) Playing and complaining and being unhappy every season just isn't an option to me anymore.

Originally posted by lawdawg95
Serious question.

Why do all of us keep playing this game if all we're going to do is bitch about it every season. And this isn't meant as a slam at anyone in particular because I've been just as guilty of it.

I'm just getting to the point that either A) I'm going to just play the game for what it is and stop complaining about it or B) just quit playing.

C) Playing and complaining and being unhappy every season just isn't an option to me anymore.

Agreed that's why I rarely if ever bitch. I play to pay this game so I try to enjoy it. I don't wanna pay to be frustrated or I would just leave. Totally agree with you.

Originally posted by islander1
Originally posted by jtserb

Originally posted by datongw


Man, INTs just don't happen out of the blue. You have to code them for them to happen, that is all that I am saying. Draw your own conclusion about what Bort says, I have mine, you can agree or disagree.

If Bort wants to eliminate the INT after knocked loose, all he needs to do is to remove the INT code after the knocked loose.

The sim does not have a mind of its own, it's freaking program and it will does what the programmer tells it to do.


Eh, minor very very minor coding experience in my lifetime and im not sure of your qualifications so excuse me if I am wrong, but isn't it possible that the code isn't in your order? What if INT and PD and INT are in the same code. Do they have to be seperate codes INT and KL INT's? What if they are not? Then eliminating the KL INT's would eliminate INT"s all together? Does this make sense?

It's crap programming if it is.

But it is a possibility. That's what I am saying. It could be a lot deeper than just "turning it off"

Originally posted by datongw
Man, INTs just don't happen out of the blue. You have to code them for them to happen, that is all that I am saying. Draw your own conclusion about what Bort says, I have mine, you can agree or disagree.

If Bort wants to eliminate the INT after knocked loose, all he needs to do is to remove the INT code after the knocked loose.

The sim does not have a mind of its own, it's freaking program and it will does what the programmer tells it to do.


Every time I hear about another 'fix' to the sim engine, I picture a lawn gnome beating the shit out of the servers with a football bat.

Originally posted by lawdawg95
Serious question.

Why do all of us keep playing this game if all we're going to do is bitch about it every season. And this isn't meant as a slam at anyone in particular because I've been just as guilty of it.

I'm just getting to the point that either A) I'm going to just play the game for what it is and stop complaining about it or B) just quit playing.

C) Playing and complaining and being unhappy every season just isn't an option to me anymore.

We pay money. We're allowed to be vocal when things change for the worst. I'm sure you would be doing the same thing if the shoe was on the other foot.