Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Mightyhalo
Originally posted by mmuhr

Originally posted by Sarg01


I have two CBs I made on the same day, who have been the #1 and #2 starters for their team for the past three seasons, so they've largely seen the same opposition, had the same pass pressure and operated under the same gameplans - at least, as close to the same as its possible to get.

The team they play on was a level 13 expansion team in season 7 in a rather competitive conference half filled with 100% 13 + 3 boost teams (team did OK, playoff berth), in season 8 some teams promoted out leaving them among the top of the conference, then the team was promoted to an uncapped league for season 9, where they finished near the bottom.

The primary build difference is that one went to 68 speed before working on agility and the other went to 61 speed before working on agility. Both have been successful builds, but the not-quite-as-much-speed player has consistently outperformed the speed-first player.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=969461&playoffs=0
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=969467&playoffs=0

Its the speed/agility ratio at work.

Empirical data ftw.

Stop mixing up my reality with facts!

Originally posted by Worker 3
Originally posted by bug03

You're all forgetting that 12 sp's in FS will help bridge the gap with agility.
Also the shutdown coverage SA gives a bonus to m2m, PLUS ballhawk.

At the same time, I saw a 115/80 speed/agility WR freaking SMOKE my cb with 104/80 speed/agility because big heart kicked in.

100 speed should be mandatory for all Secondary positions over level 45.

tell that to dh12...

tell that to me.

Originally posted by mmuhr
Originally posted by Worker 3

Originally posted by bug03


You're all forgetting that 12 sp's in FS will help bridge the gap with agility.
Also the shutdown coverage SA gives a bonus to m2m, PLUS ballhawk.

At the same time, I saw a 115/80 speed/agility WR freaking SMOKE my cb with 104/80 speed/agility because big heart kicked in.

100 speed should be mandatory for all Secondary positions over level 45.

tell that to dh12...

tell that to me.

me aswell.

I can't believe we are still debating this. Since everyone is pulling the "well you aren't in Pro" or "you don't have an elite cb" crap, I'll settle it.

Yes Man has played on one of the top teams in the history of GLB, Prague, and currently plays on one of the best teams, MEM, in the best league. I have seen the builds of most of the cbs on those two teams, and discuss cbs regularly with some of the top cb builders in the game. Those cbs are the ones covering the top wrs in the game including possibly the fastest wr, Colon Grifter.

That is my resume, here is what I have to say: one hundred speed is completely unnecessary. Most of the top cbs have speed/agility in the 95/85 to 90/90 range. The balance of speed to agility is necessary to take full advantage of your speed, and to keep up with a cutting wr. Getting speed to 100 is a waste of sps and forces you to sacrifice other more important areas. The people who argue that speed has to be at 100 or more don't understand that there is very much more to building a great cb than high speed. Speed is essentially the base that you start your build on, but once you get it to the proper level--68 base plus auto-level gains--other skills become more important. The top cbs aren't top because they have a lot more speed than other cbs, they are the top cbs because they have the other stuff at higher levels and in the proper proportion.

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
I can't believe we are still debating this. Since everyone is pulling the "well you aren't in Pro" or "you don't have an elite cb" crap, I'll settle it.

Yes Man has played on one of the top teams in the history of GLB, Prague, and currently plays on one of the best teams, MEM, in the best league. I have seen the builds of most of the cbs on those two teams, and discuss cbs regularly with some of the top cb builders in the game. Those cbs are the ones covering the top wrs in the game including possibly the fastest wr, Colon Grifter.

That is my resume, here is what I have to say: one hundred speed is completely unnecessary. Most of the top cbs have speed/agility in the 95/85 to 90/90 range. The balance of speed to agility is necessary to take full advantage of your speed, and to keep up with a cutting wr. Getting speed to 100 is a waste of sps and forces you to sacrifice other more important areas. The people who argue that speed has to be at 100 or more don't understand that there is very much more to building a great cb than high speed. Speed is essentially the base that you start your build on, but once you get it to the proper level--68 base plus auto-level gains--other skills become more important. The top cbs aren't top because they have a lot more speed than other cbs, they are the top cbs because they have the other stuff at higher levels and in the proper proportion.

+1 very well said

longhornfan FTW!

I do see some merits of a 100spd guy though.

Originally posted by mmuhr
longhornfan FTW!

I do see some merits of a 100spd guy though.

Of course there are merits. 120 speed is better than 100 speed. However, the SPs that you had to spend to go from 100 to 120 would be better spent in other areas that are less pricey to upgrade at that point.

CBs needs plenty of agility and vision and jumping and SAs to go along with their speed (and catching and strength, etc). A pure speed CB will get eaten alive at the higher levels by WRs that can get open with 1 cut on him.

I will say this.... .Speed should equal Agility with EQ on Agility.

Originally posted by jdpbernal
I will say this.... .Speed should equal Agility with EQ on Agility.


no... agility doesnt need to be that high. a difference of about 10 is good. 95/85 or 90/80, or somewhere around there is pretty much ideal. keep those extra SPs you would use to get agility higher and spend them in SAs such as SV, SDC, SB, or SH, or use them to get secondaries like jumping, catching or strength up.

Originally posted by Worker 3
Originally posted by jdpbernal

I will say this.... .Speed should equal Agility with EQ on Agility.


no... agility doesnt need to be that high. a difference of about 10 is good. 95/85 or 90/80, or somewhere around there is pretty much ideal. keep those extra SPs you would use to get agility higher and spend them in SAs such as SV, SDC, SB, or SH, or use them to get secondaries like jumping, catching or strength up.

We're talking about Speed and Agility here. Obviously the other minor ones like Vision/Jumping/Catching needs to be worked on too.

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
I can't believe we are still debating this. Since everyone is pulling the "well you aren't in Pro" or "you don't have an elite cb" crap, I'll settle it.

Yes Man has played on one of the top teams in the history of GLB, Prague, and currently plays on one of the best teams, MEM, in the best league. I have seen the builds of most of the cbs on those two teams, and discuss cbs regularly with some of the top cb builders in the game. Those cbs are the ones covering the top wrs in the game including possibly the fastest wr, Colon Grifter.

That is my resume, here is what I have to say: one hundred speed is completely unnecessary. Most of the top cbs have speed/agility in the 95/85 to 90/90 range. The balance of speed to agility is necessary to take full advantage of your speed, and to keep up with a cutting wr. Getting speed to 100 is a waste of sps and forces you to sacrifice other more important areas. The people who argue that speed has to be at 100 or more don't understand that there is very much more to building a great cb than high speed. Speed is essentially the base that you start your build on, but once you get it to the proper level--68 base plus auto-level gains--other skills become more important. The top cbs aren't top because they have a lot more speed than other cbs, they are the top cbs because they have the other stuff at higher levels and in the proper proportion.


Yes, everyone has the best teams according to them and everyone has one of the top players in the game.

Congratulations, you want a cookie?

Seriously, my thought is build your player as you want, and try different things. If you want to have 150 speed, then have 150 speed. That is your choice. if everyone followed the advice of the so called "experts." then we would have a cookie cutter game that would be as boring as hell.

Originally posted by jdpbernal
Originally posted by Worker 3

Originally posted by jdpbernal


I will say this.... .Speed should equal Agility with EQ on Agility.


no... agility doesnt need to be that high. a difference of about 10 is good. 95/85 or 90/80, or somewhere around there is pretty much ideal. keep those extra SPs you would use to get agility higher and spend them in SAs such as SV, SDC, SB, or SH, or use them to get secondaries like jumping, catching or strength up.

We're talking about Speed and Agility here. Obviously the other minor ones like Vision/Jumping/Catching needs to be worked on too.

i know, but why pour extra SPs into agl when you dont need to? once you get it to a difference of 10 (give or take a few), adding more agility doesnt do a ton for you. why keep working on something when your already good n that area? what im saying is that you dont need to get agility to = speed. take those SPs (about 30 or so minimum btw) and use them else where.

Originally posted by Ezzee
Originally posted by Longhornfan1024

I can't believe we are still debating this. Since everyone is pulling the "well you aren't in Pro" or "you don't have an elite cb" crap, I'll settle it.

Yes Man has played on one of the top teams in the history of GLB, Prague, and currently plays on one of the best teams, MEM, in the best league. I have seen the builds of most of the cbs on those two teams, and discuss cbs regularly with some of the top cb builders in the game. Those cbs are the ones covering the top wrs in the game including possibly the fastest wr, Colon Grifter.

That is my resume, here is what I have to say: one hundred speed is completely unnecessary. Most of the top cbs have speed/agility in the 95/85 to 90/90 range. The balance of speed to agility is necessary to take full advantage of your speed, and to keep up with a cutting wr. Getting speed to 100 is a waste of sps and forces you to sacrifice other more important areas. The people who argue that speed has to be at 100 or more don't understand that there is very much more to building a great cb than high speed. Speed is essentially the base that you start your build on, but once you get it to the proper level--68 base plus auto-level gains--other skills become more important. The top cbs aren't top because they have a lot more speed than other cbs, they are the top cbs because they have the other stuff at higher levels and in the proper proportion.


Yes, everyone has the best teams according to them and everyone has one of the top players in the game.

Congratulations, you want a cookie?

Seriously, my thought is build your player as you want, and try different things. If you want to have 150 speed, then have 150 speed. That is your choice. if everyone followed the advice of the so called "experts." then we would have a cookie cutter game that would be as boring as hell.

id listen to longhorn... at least take his advice into consideration. he does know what he is talking about. and the problem with your argument is that people come here and ask people like longhorn how to build their player. what is he supposed to do? just say "build how you want to build?" longhorn knows what makes his CBs successful, and so he is gonna give advice accordingly. so dont blame longhorn or other CB guru's for creating cookie cutter builds, blame new people who dont want to put hard work into research, and just want a free piggy back ride.

I don't think I'm specifically blaming anyone, Worker3. As the old proverb goes: I'm not saying, I'm just saying.

People come in here and ask for help in how to make a good cb. I tell them how. I'm not going to lie to them or give them bad advice and say they should have speed really high at the sacrifice of other skills when I know that doesn't make a good cb.

As for my cookie? I want chocolate chip.