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Originally posted by Hukton Vioxx

Fair enough. And I think that poll awhile back basically gave Bort our permission to fix any exploits at any time he pleases.

It just pisses me off that USA Pro was probably one of the worst leagues for exploiting this, when it should be the most competitive and therefore the most fun. Instead it became just another GLB league but with higher leveled players and what were presumably some of the best OCs in the game strong I slamming it to get that W.

To be completely honest, by virtue of being the most competitive, the majority of its decision makers are the most committed to winning in the game. Which means if there is one clear winning strategy because of the sim's construction, it is the league *most* likely to employ it. It doesn't help that based on my team's experience in out of conference games, I don't think secondaries in other leagues hold a candle to the ones here - which means some of those other leagues actually *could* pass with less risk than our teams could. So, in a nutshell, I don't think the fact that the majority of our league adopted those tactics should surprise you at all.

Originally posted by Cactus71
Originally posted by lawdawg95

To call it "cheating" is ridiculous though.

cheating is the wrong word because it's part of the game, it's an exploit is the sim not cheating though

if it was truly an exploit, Bort would have removed it a looong time ago.

This cheating talk, exploit talk, I lol at all of it.
It's a fundamental flaw in the sim that EVERYONE had access too.

However, Bort didn't take it out, and heaven knows he should have done SOMETHING to augment run stopping early last season as this just didn't spring its head on day 24. His inaction on the subject effectively gave the playcalling legitimacy.

Summary: I-Slam was not cheating. Nor was it an exploit. Was it an unsavory way to play the game? Sure.
What rj414 said about how you handle it is spot on: If you choose not to use it, then you have no room to bitch if you lose by it.

You have a right to say (generically speaking ) the sim sucked though...and you wouldn't get an argument from anyone here.

Originally posted by islander1

This cheating talk, exploit talk, I lol at all of it.
It's a fundamental flaw in the sim that EVERYONE had access too.

However, Bort didn't take it out, and heaven knows he should have done SOMETHING to augment run stopping early last season as this just didn't spring its head on day 24. His inaction on the subject effectively gave the playcalling legitimacy.

Summary: I-Slam was not cheating. Nor was it an exploit. Was it an unsavory way to play the game? Sure.
What rj414 said about how you handle it is spot on: If you choose not to use it, then you have no room to bitch.

That right there is the heart of the issue. If everybody has access to it, it cannot be and is not cheating.

Originally posted by rj414
Originally posted by Hukton Vioxx


Fair enough. And I think that poll awhile back basically gave Bort our permission to fix any exploits at any time he pleases.

It just pisses me off that USA Pro was probably one of the worst leagues for exploiting this, when it should be the most competitive and therefore the most fun. Instead it became just another GLB league but with higher leveled players and what were presumably some of the best OCs in the game strong I slamming it to get that W.

To be completely honest, by virtue of being the most competitive, the majority of its decision makers are the most committed to winning in the game. Which means if there is one clear winning strategy because of the sim's construction, it is the league *most* likely to employ it.

Yeah, but that doesn't mean I have to be happy about it.

And didn't anyone else just get bored? I mean...these are all people who have gotten past the initial fascination of watching dots move around on a web page. How could watching the same play unfold over and over and over even be worth our time, especially since we aren't testers?

Originally posted by rj414
Originally posted by islander1


This cheating talk, exploit talk, I lol at all of it.
It's a fundamental flaw in the sim that EVERYONE had access too.

However, Bort didn't take it out, and heaven knows he should have done SOMETHING to augment run stopping early last season as this just didn't spring its head on day 24. His inaction on the subject effectively gave the playcalling legitimacy.

Summary: I-Slam was not cheating. Nor was it an exploit. Was it an unsavory way to play the game? Sure.
What rj414 said about how you handle it is spot on: If you choose not to use it, then you have no room to bitch.

That right there is the heart of the issue. If everybody has access to it, it cannot be and is not cheating.



right! Huxton earlier said just the opposite, which is nuts.

Originally posted by Hukton Vioxx
Originally posted by rj414

Originally posted by Hukton Vioxx



Fair enough. And I think that poll awhile back basically gave Bort our permission to fix any exploits at any time he pleases.

It just pisses me off that USA Pro was probably one of the worst leagues for exploiting this, when it should be the most competitive and therefore the most fun. Instead it became just another GLB league but with higher leveled players and what were presumably some of the best OCs in the game strong I slamming it to get that W.

To be completely honest, by virtue of being the most competitive, the majority of its decision makers are the most committed to winning in the game. Which means if there is one clear winning strategy because of the sim's construction, it is the league *most* likely to employ it.

Yeah, but that doesn't mean I have to be happy about it.

And didn't anyone else just get bored? I mean...these are all people who have gotten past the initial fascination of watching dots move around on a web page. How could watching the same play unfold over and over and over even be worth our time, especially since we aren't testers?

Thats not the issue though. You started this with more whining about cheating. Not about the season being boring.

this is pointless tbh

It most definitely was a problem long before season 8 playoffs. This is why Bort's continual ignorance of what goes on his Pro leagues (the leagues where you get the most unadulterated example of what the GLB experience is at a given moment, all things being equal) irks me. If he or one of his testers looked at pro league games they would have a much better grasp of how the sim is behaving at the moment because of the amount of parity. And not to toot our own horn, but USAPL is basically a one stop shop as far as that is concerned.

Originally posted by islander1
Originally posted by Cactus71

Originally posted by lawdawg95


To call it "cheating" is ridiculous though.

cheating is the wrong word because it's part of the game, it's an exploit is the sim not cheating though

if it was truly an exploit, Bort would have removed it a looong time ago.

This cheating talk, exploit talk, I lol at all of it.
It's a fundamental flaw in the sim that EVERYONE had access too.

However, Bort didn't take it out, and heaven knows he should have done SOMETHING to augment run stopping early last season as this just didn't spring its head on day 24. His inaction on the subject effectively gave the playcalling legitimacy.

Summary: I-Slam was not cheating. Nor was it an exploit. Was it an unsavory way to play the game? Sure.
What rj414 said about how you handle it is spot on: If you choose not to use it, then you have no room to bitch if you lose by it.

You have a right to say (generically speaking ) the sim sucked though...and you wouldn't get an argument from anyone here.

Then why is blocking being redone? I think the only reason Bort didn't fix it midseason is because he couldn't do it quickly enough and it was likely to break something else if done hastily.

I say the sim sucked, but also that all of us who used the season 8 offense helped it to suck even worse.

Originally posted by Hukton Vioxx


Then why is blocking being redone? I think the only reason Bort didn't fix it midseason is because he couldn't do it quickly enough and it was likely to break something else if done hastily.

I say the sim sucked, but also that all of us who used the season 8 offense helped it to suck even worse.

I say the sim sucked as well. So do MEM and WW, and all the other teams that used the season 8 offense. And if they hadn't used the season 8 offense I bet you money it still would dude.

Originally posted by islander1
Originally posted by Hukton Vioxx

Originally posted by rj414


Originally posted by Hukton Vioxx




Fair enough. And I think that poll awhile back basically gave Bort our permission to fix any exploits at any time he pleases.

It just pisses me off that USA Pro was probably one of the worst leagues for exploiting this, when it should be the most competitive and therefore the most fun. Instead it became just another GLB league but with higher leveled players and what were presumably some of the best OCs in the game strong I slamming it to get that W.

To be completely honest, by virtue of being the most competitive, the majority of its decision makers are the most committed to winning in the game. Which means if there is one clear winning strategy because of the sim's construction, it is the league *most* likely to employ it.

Yeah, but that doesn't mean I have to be happy about it.

And didn't anyone else just get bored? I mean...these are all people who have gotten past the initial fascination of watching dots move around on a web page. How could watching the same play unfold over and over and over even be worth our time, especially since we aren't testers?

Thats not the issue though. You started this with more whining about cheating. Not about the season being boring.

Ahh...the 'whiner trolls' finally arrived I see.

I hope you have something else to contribute other than 'lols', but my hope is probably misplaced.

Originally posted by rj414
Originally posted by Hukton Vioxx



Then why is blocking being redone? I think the only reason Bort didn't fix it midseason is because he couldn't do it quickly enough and it was likely to break something else if done hastily.

I say the sim sucked, but also that all of us who used the season 8 offense helped it to suck even worse.

I say the sim sucked as well. So do MEM and WW, and all the other teams that used the season 8 offense. And if they hadn't used the season 8 offense I bet you money it still would dude.



Shortly after midseason Bort basically admitted it was needing fixing. At that point your argument no longer holds true because the problem was found, but it couldn't be immediately fixed.

Originally posted by Hukton Vioxx


I say the sim sucked, but also that all of us who used the season 8 offense helped it to suck even worse.

So everyone forcing themselves to call ineffective passing plays and completing 35% of our passes would have somehow been more "exciting"?

Originally posted by Hukton Vioxx


Shortly after midseason Bort basically admitted it was needing fixing. At that point your argument no longer holds true because the problem was found, but it couldn't be immediately fixed.

And you know for certain that he immediately made it his highest priority to fix it, and thats why he's addressing it in some way now. Or do you think the fact that during the last days of the season the main GLB forum exploded with hate threads saying what a piece of garbage season 8 was and demanding refunds might have had made it seem a bit more urgent...

Originally posted by lawdawg95
Originally posted by Hukton Vioxx



I say the sim sucked, but also that all of us who used the season 8 offense helped it to suck even worse.

So everyone forcing themselves to call ineffective passing plays and completing 35% of our passes would have somehow been more "exciting"?

As long as your opponent didn't use the exploit it worked fine, and many teams didn't have much trouble passing...if they ever had the ball. Which is a legitimate tactic (shortening the game), but it shouldn't always work.