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Drago
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Originally posted by djgomez33
Originally posted by cwrujosh

Originally posted by djgomez33


Anyone find it odd none of the big Evil Monkey trolls have popped in? I don't. It's not like they wouldn't have seen this thread in the last 3 hours it has been up.


It's not a discussion about MEM, none of this pertains to any one team.


I agree with you that it's not about MEM. However, like mentioned early, some teams try to play with a 'level of respect for the game,' while others continue to exploit obvious flaws over and over.


I keep looking for the trophy for "level of respect for the game," but I can't find it.

We didn't whine like a bunch of bitches when HHW was running the same play 55-60 times in a game, we found a way to stop it and did once the playoffs rolled around.
 
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Originally posted by djgomez33


I agree with you that it's not about MEM. However, like mentioned early, some teams try to play with a 'level of respect for the game,' while others continue to exploit obvious flaws over and over.


LOL - you respect this game? Sucks to be you.
 
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Originally posted by cwrujosh
Originally posted by djgomez33

Originally posted by cwrujosh


Originally posted by djgomez33



Anyone find it odd none of the big Evil Monkey trolls have popped in? I don't. It's not like they wouldn't have seen this thread in the last 3 hours it has been up.


It's not a discussion about MEM, none of this pertains to any one team.


I agree with you that it's not about MEM. However, like mentioned early, some teams try to play with a 'level of respect for the game,' while others continue to exploit obvious flaws over and over.


IMHO, the problem is not with exploiters but their ability to do so. That problem lies squarely with Bort.


Right on, I respect your opionion.
 
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Originally posted by xcoach2
Originally posted by djgomez33



I agree with you that it's not about MEM. However, like mentioned early, some teams try to play with a 'level of respect for the game,' while others continue to exploit obvious flaws over and over.


LOL - you respect this game? Sucks to be you.


 
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Originally posted by joemiken
Originally posted by cwrujosh

One of the suggestions that was not adopted, but should have been, was the "repeat plays get harder to run idea".

Basically, the defense learns, in-game, how to stop a play as it gets run ad infinitum. So if you run Strong I OT every play, it will work, but get progressively less successful.

This is just one of many common sense ideas that never get considered.


A LOT of teams in various levels and regions would be up shit creek if this was adopted. It's not hard to run a handful of games, find out which plays are more powerful, then spam the shit out of them. Kinda takes the 'coordinating' out of offensive coordinator, ya know? I have a lot more respect for teams like DDL, Marblehead, West Scranton and Santiago that aren't living off exploits.


eh, it wouldnt bother me as Wolfpack OC. I'm used to doing more work. I barely had a chance to do much for the Hedgehogs this time around due to my little boy being sick, but as you can see, it didnt really matter.

I agree with this seemingly common sense idea that after X number of the same plays, it would be much easier to stop.
 
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I can feel your pain in many ways, but please don't gut midseason.
 
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Originally posted by jfbueno
Originally posted by xcoach2

Originally posted by djgomez33




I agree with you that it's not about MEM. However, like mentioned early, some teams try to play with a 'level of respect for the game,' while others continue to exploit obvious flaws over and over.


LOL - you respect this game? Sucks to be you.




You know, I gotta agree here. I'd like to know exactly which flaw I'm exploiting, other then having an offensive line that can own basically any defensive front 7 so much that a balanced back can rake yards.

If people are going to sit here and say successfully running the ball all game is an exploit, then I just have to lol at this. Doesn't mean I don't want running back effectiveness to be reduced somewhat, though. It also doesnt mean I enjoy the circa 1920 style of 'dotball' that succeeds now.

But seriously folks, the Wolfpack have equipment to pay for Don't even get me started on how awful the economic system is here. Topic for another thread
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Originally posted by djgomez33
Originally posted by cwrujosh

Originally posted by djgomez33


Anyone find it odd none of the big Evil Monkey trolls have popped in? I don't. It's not like they wouldn't have seen this thread in the last 3 hours it has been up.


It's not a discussion about MEM, none of this pertains to any one team.


I agree with you that it's not about MEM. However, like mentioned early, some teams try to play with a 'level of respect for the game,' while others continue to exploit obvious flaws over and over.


Again, you don't know what you're talking about. But that's fine. You called out the MEM "trolls" and now thanks to you this thread is going to shit.
 
Drago
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Originally posted by Hukton Vioxx
I can feel your pain in many ways, but please don't gut midseason.


He's not gutting.
 
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MEM has won a lot before the season 8 powerback situation. If the situation were brought back to a more respectable situation, we would change our tactics and win a different way. MEM does what it takes to win, that is the most important thing. As a receiving TE in their offense, am I bummed that I am not getting the ball, sure I am. But I want to win more than anything else. We have found the way to win this season, and I see no reason to change what we are doing unless Bort changes the sim.
 
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Originally posted by islander1
Originally posted by joemiken

Originally posted by cwrujosh


One of the suggestions that was not adopted, but should have been, was the "repeat plays get harder to run idea".

Basically, the defense learns, in-game, how to stop a play as it gets run ad infinitum. So if you run Strong I OT every play, it will work, but get progressively less successful.

This is just one of many common sense ideas that never get considered.


A LOT of teams in various levels and regions would be up shit creek if this was adopted. It's not hard to run a handful of games, find out which plays are more powerful, then spam the shit out of them. Kinda takes the 'coordinating' out of offensive coordinator, ya know? I have a lot more respect for teams like DDL, Marblehead, West Scranton and Santiago that aren't living off exploits.


eh, it wouldnt bother me as Wolfpack OC. I'm used to doing more work. I barely had a chance to do much for the Hedgehogs this time around due to my little boy being sick, but as you can see, it didnt really matter.

I agree with this seemingly common sense idea that after X number of the same plays, it would be much easier to stop.




I made that suggestion twice 2-3 seasons ago, first time it got flamed, 2nd time everyone thought it was a brilliant idea but the mods refused to epic it. Anyways, if they can make the playbook bigger...I am all for that idea.

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i fail to see how wolfpack is exploiting anything

should we just pass just to appease other people? fuck no. we pass when we have to.

always been a running team and we're not going to change to appease anyone. we use 3 backs and not one of them is a TRUE power back (meaning strength is their highest attribute)

blame the offensive line
 
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Originally posted by PP
Originally posted by cwrujosh

One of the suggestions that was not adopted, but should have been, was the "repeat plays get harder to run idea".

Basically, the defense learns, in-game, how to stop a play as it gets run ad infinitum. So if you run Strong I OT every play, it will work, but get progressively less successful.

This is just one of many common sense ideas that never get considered.


It just seems like such an absolute no brainer. The only reason I can think of that Bort hasn't done it ssns ago is because he doesn't think it would be fun to code.


The problem with it is the very tiny playbook. Once the O Play creator comes out, there's absolutely no reason to not have it.

The code should be simple. Each play gets a counter on how many times it has been called. As the counter goes up, the defenders get a boost to their vision every time that particular play is called.

It could also have a pretty cool tie in with play action (if that ever gets implemented). Every play action pass is designed to model a similar running play...If the running play has been run several times, they might jump the run...only to leave them out of position for the pass. Of course, defenders should probably have the player tactic option to forfeit the vision boost to "stay at home."
 
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Originally posted by kr0n


blame the offensive line


what? don't look at me. Look at Painmaker
 
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Originally posted by Drago
Originally posted by djgomez33

Originally posted by cwrujosh


Originally posted by djgomez33



Anyone find it odd none of the big Evil Monkey trolls have popped in? I don't. It's not like they wouldn't have seen this thread in the last 3 hours it has been up.


It's not a discussion about MEM, none of this pertains to any one team.


I agree with you that it's not about MEM. However, like mentioned early, some teams try to play with a 'level of respect for the game,' while others continue to exploit obvious flaws over and over.


I keep looking for the trophy for "level of respect for the game," but I can't find it.

We didn't whine like a bunch of bitches when HHW was running the same play 55-60 times in a game, we found a way to stop it and did once the playoffs rolled around.


bolded is what I find important here.

I don't recall any Wolfpack crying when we too got Csonka'd either nor would Monmouth if the turnovers went our way and we won by 3. Thats not what they do.

Moreover, its not like Monmouth just created this situation. They are just the latest in the line....their OL is amazing as well. Coincidence? not really. Look at their RG. A freakin stud.

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