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Originally posted by Colt
Originally posted by Tim Harper




Stopped reading after the bolded part. You already admitted your player was garbage, why should he be given help when he hasn't earned it?


Stopped reading after the bolded part.

What your butt hurt or something? Can't believe that is the best comeback you have. Do USA Pro a favor and quit posting here, Every key you stroke, someones IQ drops a point.

I'll be honest, my team made out like bandits - but I thought before they happened and continue to think that the whole idea of endorsments is horseshit. It cannot be implemented properly, period.

No point on posting this on the main thread, it's a zoo. My thoughts are this:

-Having the bulk of the endorsements go to the league champions is a actually somewhat defensible. A lot of people feel stats are worthless (I don't), but a league championship is the one honor that indisputably means something. It has to be earned. Plus, knowing that you're going get a hoard of endorsements if you win may amp up the battle for the championship even more.

But that assumes that Bort thought about it, and worked the system out so it would go that way. I don't think Bort put much thought into the lottery, and he was as surprised as we were to see the champs get the bulk of the endorsements.

Really the problem is that is based on fame which is, currently, a pretty useless indicator. This flap is just a sign that Bort needs to put more thought into how fame is calculated. Having a league championship trophy be the biggest indicator of you individual fame is a bit silly.

I agree that fame is calculated poorly - for starters, it is weighted heavily based on what league level you are in. The problem is, few people will argue that the USA AAA leagues are tougher than APL, and probably SEAPL and SAPL at least - and players in those leagues get less fame automatically because they aren't 'Pro level'. Average level would be the better way (though not by much).

Secondly, I don't think individual awards factor into the fame rating enough, nor do actual wins or losses - but as long as there are gut teams, using individual stats to create fame is going to be a nightmare. Even in USA Pro this season, with kentucky in the east and rage not looking very competitive, also in the east, fame based on individual stats would be unnaturally biased against teams in the west.

The fact is, bort came up with fame and vet skills because he wanted to give player only agents something to play for - but he hasn't implemented them very well because they are very hard concepts to implement effectively.

Originally posted by Tim Harper
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What your butt hurt or something? Can't believe that is the best comeback you have. Do USA Pro a favor and quit posting here, Every key you stroke, someones IQ drops a point.

First, I'm really impressed that you can read whole posts. Well done.

Second, did you even read my first post? Do you even know my player? He has good stats and played very well the last two seasons with one of the weaker teams in the league. I never said that my player sucks.

But this is not, what my post was about. I said that it is nearly impossible to determine the best player of each position just by stats and trophys. So there has to be a random factor. And some teams getting more endorsements than other is just luck. Nothing else. Fame isn't a big factor when I look at some players who got a deal.

Well congrats to those who got them I do not see what all the flap is about. It is something for agents to look forward to and chat about but I do not see it having a major effect on the outcome of games other than people using it as an excuse of why their team lost to another.

The East loaded up Chocolate City CC pulled 8 out of AAA#1 (Champions season 7)

Bullkets pulled 7 here -- seems the way it should be those who take home trophies get the commercials

Originally posted by rj414
It is weighted heavily based on what league level you are in. The problem is, few people will argue that the USA AAA leagues are tougher than APL, and probably SEAPL and SAPL at least - and players in those leagues get less fame automatically because they aren't 'Pro level'. Average level would be the better way (though not by much).

This actually makes some sense to me. USA AAA may be a tougher league than APL now, but ideally, the Pro leagues (in whatever region) should be the seven (or however many) most competitive leagues. So, having the highest fame be there will perhaps draw players to them, which is a good thing.

Originally posted by rj414

Secondly, I don't think individual awards factor into the fame rating enough, nor do actual wins or losses - but as long as there are gut teams, using individual stats to create fame is going to be a nightmare. Even in USA Pro this season, with kentucky in the east and rage not looking very competitive, also in the east, fame based on individual stats would be unnaturally biased against teams in the west.


I agree that stats are not ideal and I agree that individual trophies should count more than team ones. However, I do think that stats should be eventually become a good indicator. I freely admit that I have no idea how to do that, but as long as stats are meaningless the game will be broken in a small (but significant) way. Also, I'm not sure team wins/losses should count (at least no for every position. It's quite possible to be a good player on a bad team.

Originally posted by rj414

The fact is, bort came up with fame and vet skills because he wanted to give player only agents something to play for - but he hasn't implemented them very well because they are very hard concepts to implement effectively.

This, absolutely. I appreciate that Bort is so responsive to the user base, but sometimes he'll say, "I'm doing it this way cause no one can think of a better way", and he's right, there aren't any better ideas, but given the I'm not the one being paid to design the game, I kinda wish he could hire someone who did know how to work this stuff out.

I'm not bothered by the league champs getting a lot of endorsements nearly as much as irrelevant players who suck(read: don't start, or are completely unknown performance wise to the league because they aren't legitimately good) getting them.

I mean, if a team is so good that they have serious performers in 5-6 positions, equal or better then any other players (which is very unlikely) then so be it.

But I mean in Africa AA, a level 14 won the FB award.

Originally posted by ryanbrock
This is so fucking stupid. Davitrav's TE gets one BUT LARRY SMITH DOESN'T? A FORMER WR for Minnesota who is playing for CPL'S LOLIFAX now gets a USA Pro endorsement? Pogo wasn't even the best receiver on his own team last year.

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!

MY TE ROCKS!

MY TE IS ENDORSED!

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Originally posted by xTrav
Originally posted by ryanbrock

This is so fucking stupid. Davitrav's TE gets one BUT LARRY SMITH DOESN'T? A FORMER WR for Minnesota who is playing for CPL'S LOLIFAX now gets a USA Pro endorsement? Pogo wasn't even the best receiver on his own team last year.

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!

MY TE ROCKS!

He's about 10x worse than Pigleg, and everyone else in this league would agree with me.

Endorsements, game wide, were a giant crock of shit.

Cincy's backup LT got one. In my Canada A league, our backup (now 3rd-string) DT got one, even though he's WAY underleveled for the league. Confused cat is confused....

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1041176

He got the DE endorsement for South America A#1 despite not playing in a single game last season.

Originally posted by UMBF
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1041176

He got the DE endorsement for South America A#1 despite not playing in a single game last season.

Everyone knew that fame and endorsements were going to be a joke. But I'm surprised at just how much of one it is.