Warrior General Games

Originally posted by taz20075
Get the player trails script. You'll see the ROLB break back on the TE, and then cut shallower than the TE route and start moving across the field to the WR. I'm assuming this is the ROLB reading the QB as having moved on from his read.

Now, I don't know how a QB goes through his reads (1, 2, 3, dump or 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, dump or 1, 2, 3, 2, dump or 1, 2, 3, 1, 3, 3, 2, dump) but it could be that the QB only goes through his checks once with low vision or the second pass is random (I'm not sure of the QBs vision in this case). But clearly the QB did not go back to the TE in this case. It was a shorter, safer choice and he missed it.

What play are you talking about?

it was a good defensive play, they were in zone so they just waited for the QB to make a throw then got there before the throw did ...
simple

Originally posted by Sharrow
Originally posted by taz20075

Get the player trails script. You'll see the ROLB break back on the TE, and then cut shallower than the TE route and start moving across the field to the WR. I'm assuming this is the ROLB reading the QB as having moved on from his read.

Now, I don't know how a QB goes through his reads (1, 2, 3, dump or 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, dump or 1, 2, 3, 2, dump or 1, 2, 3, 1, 3, 3, 2, dump) but it could be that the QB only goes through his checks once with low vision or the second pass is random (I'm not sure of the QBs vision in this case). But clearly the QB did not go back to the TE in this case. It was a shorter, safer choice and he missed it.

What play are you talking about?

That would help, huh?

This one: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=374263&pbp_id=7089484

Meh, you guys still don't understand. All that I'm saying is that a QB with very high vision should make that play and score a TD to the WR3 (if he can make a good pass to him); but he doesn't in GLB even with very high vision. I'm not asking why he doesn't make the play because that's irrelevant unless you are trying to pinpoint what exactly should be changed to make it realistic, which I don't really think we're qualified to do. I'm just saying that imo, vision isn't as important to QB as a lot of people think because it doesn't effect that kind of situation.

Originally posted by Sharrow
Meh, you guys still don't understand. All that I'm saying is that a QB with very high vision should make that play and score a TD to the WR3 (if he can make a good pass to him); but he doesn't in GLB even with very high vision. I'm not asking why he doesn't make the play because that's irrelevant unless you are trying to pinpoint what exactly should be changed to make it realistic, which I don't really think we're qualified to do. I'm just saying that imo, vision isn't as important to QB as a lot of people think because it doesn't effect that kind of situation.

Build your guy how you want. I think Vision is 2nd best Attribute by far and should be 85-90 by level 45.

Originally posted by Sharrow
Meh, you guys still don't understand. All that I'm saying is that a QB with very high vision should make that play and score a TD to the WR3

why would a QB with high vision throw the ball to a Wr that was NOT open?
if wr3 ran a straight he would have been open but he didnt, he ran a post and ran into coverage, the QB made the BEST throw on that play

Originally posted by Granted86
why would a QB with high vision throw the ball to a Wr that was NOT open?
if wr3 ran a straight he would have been open but he didnt, he ran a post and ran into coverage, the QB made the BEST throw on that play

What are you talking about? Did you even watch the play? He didn't run into coverage, the other two WRs were the ones doing that running into the safeties. WR3 clearly had the linebackers beat and was running into open space. The other two WR were open as well, the point is that by the time the ball would have gotten to them, neither of them were still going to be open and even a QB that had roughly 95 vision at the time doesn't see that because it isn't in the targetting code.

Originally posted by brian_msbc
Originally posted by Sharrow

Meh, you guys still don't understand. All that I'm saying is that a QB with very high vision should make that play and score a TD to the WR3 (if he can make a good pass to him); but he doesn't in GLB even with very high vision. I'm not asking why he doesn't make the play because that's irrelevant unless you are trying to pinpoint what exactly should be changed to make it realistic, which I don't really think we're qualified to do. I'm just saying that imo, vision isn't as important to QB as a lot of people think because it doesn't effect that kind of situation.

Build your guy how you want. I think Vision is 2nd best Attribute by far and should be 85-90 by level 45.

I think it's important too, a QB obviously needs it for his reads. Throwing to an open man (even if he's not going to be open by the time the ball gets there) is still usually better than throwing to a covered man. Once it gets to a certain level though, I don't think it's as important. I'm not sure what that level is though, but it's definitely lower than 90-95, imo.

I'd say 90 is plenty, and probably too much for the current AI. I'm not even sure that vision matters much at all except for target selection based on what Bort's said about the targetting system and the Pocket Presense SA among other things. And considering the problem I mentioned earlier with the targetting, imo pass quality is more important than target selection if the best vision doesn't even choose the best target.

Can anyone explain the reason the HB is over looked on this play? Now granted, the HB had been targeted quite a bit on this play during the course of the game, but I am just wondering what goes into 'target progression'. It would be different if the HB wasn't the designed target for this play, but as we all know, he is. Was he ever covered?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=378617&pbp_id=8629057

His vision is not 90, but is over 70 and I would tend to believe that even 48 vision 'should' be able to see this man.

Meh, Loldots I guess.

Strength is most important attribute.

Originally posted by Sharrow
Originally posted by Granted86

why would a QB with high vision throw the ball to a Wr that was NOT open?
if wr3 ran a straight he would have been open but he didnt, he ran a post and ran into coverage, the QB made the BEST throw on that play

What are you talking about? Did you even watch the play? He didn't run into coverage, the other two WRs were the ones doing that running into the safeties. WR3 clearly had the linebackers beat and was running into open space. The other two WR were open as well, the point is that by the time the ball would have gotten to them, neither of them were still going to be open and even a QB that had roughly 95 vision at the time doesn't see that because it isn't in the targeting code.

my point is when the ball was thrown wr3 did not have the lb's beat, reason why he threw to wr2 slow the replay down and look at it again, i would think having more strength tho would have helped to get the ball there faster

Originally posted by kingofgod
Originally posted by kingofgod

Strength is most important attribute.



For a QB? No.

Originally posted by mgbl3
Originally posted by kingofgod

Originally posted by kingofgod


Strength is most important attribute.



For a QB? No.

yes

Your QB. Qb rating 129 in AA at level 46 on an undefeated team
My QB. Qb rating 126 in AA at level 42 on a sub 500 team.

Build is open.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=596110

The question isn't what has been best this season. The real question is what is best now that vision works to lead the WR....