Warrior General Games

Originally posted by SyedAshrafulla
that's terrible logic iMan, because you can save your BTs in piggy bank AEQs to upgrade later, more efficient pieces. If you'd rather spend them to get measly SP rather than future major AEQ upgrades, be my guest.

think of it as this
your AE will only be effective once you have it much higher than a normal equip bonus
a AE equip that starts at say +3 with no SA is useless.
all that AE does it give you a a higher starting platform, but you will never increase your advantage over a normal eq. it will always be the same
ie
a normal equip upgraded 5 times will have a +6
a AE that starts at 3 and is upgraded 5 times will have a +8
if you upgrade both of them again, you will have a normal +7 and a AE +9. guess what you still have the same 2 skill point advantage yet you had to pay 48 BT to upgrade it 6 times. at if you upgrade it again, you will still only have a 2 skill point advantage after spending 54 BT

if the AE has a SA bonus, you will have to wait till your AE is no less than 1 less than a normal + SA bonus
IE
a NE upgraded 5 times will have a +6 bonus
a AE (started out at +3, +1 SA) not fully upgraded for the level (which is pretty common for high level guys) has been upgraded 3 times and is at a +6 and +2 SA.
not that much better considering you've spent 24 BT plus however much BT you missed out on by using normal training to get the Shop token.
you would have to upgrade the AE fully for the level to actually see the advantages

Originally posted by iMan


a normal equip upgraded 5 times will have a +6
a AE that starts at 3 and is upgraded 5 times will have a +8
if you upgrade both of them again, you will have a normal +7 and a AE +9. guess what you still have the same 2 skill point advantage yet you had to pay 48 BT to upgrade it 6 times. at if you upgrade it again, you will still only have a 2 skill point advantage after spending 54 BT




?
Normal equipment upgraded 5 times is +5 is it not? How are you getting +6

The swing on a piece that starts +3 is 3 not 2.

If your base is 68, and you are level 40, 4 normal equip pieces with custom gives you +30 total from gear. (6+6+6+6+6)
If your base is 68, and you are level 40, 3 normal equip and 1 AE and custom gives you +33 total from gear. (9+6+6+6+6)

Normal equip the stat is 98
Normal with 1 AE +3 is 101

48 BT = 12 sp.

To go from 68 to 71 to make the normal = the AE would cost you 4+4+4 or 12 sp. You break dead even. (This doesnt even factor in a SA you could be getting for free!) However, the higher your natural stat is, the better on your return you are getting.

When you buy a Normal EQ it comes with the first upgrade. The AE does not. I think that's where the misunderstanding lies.

Originally posted by TheGreatPuma
When you buy a Normal EQ it comes with the first upgrade. The AE does not.

There were some mistakes in the Official training FAQ and some of the announcements concerning how advanced equipment upgrades work.

* The first upgrade is available at level 1, not level 8.
* +1 SA will happen on the level 8 upgrade, not 16 (there is no +SA the first time you upgrade).
* You can now carry over 8 tokens into next season, instead of the previously stated 5.

The official FAQ and announcements have now be updated to reflect the actual rules.

What am I missing?

(Note none of my slow build players wear AE, but according to the wiki, both upgrade at level 1 and cost 500)

Originally posted by TheGreatPuma
When you buy a Normal EQ it comes with the first upgrade. The AE does not. I think that's where the misunderstanding lies.

A level 8 player can have a +2 normal equip, or a +2 AE?

or can the level 8 player only upgrade his AE once?

Originally posted by Meatdawg
Originally posted by TheGreatPuma

When you buy a Normal EQ it comes with the first upgrade. The AE does not. I think that's where the misunderstanding lies.

A level 8 player can have a +2 normal equip, or a +2 AE?

or can the level 8 player only upgrade his AE once?

twice

You were right meatdawg, Iman was comparing number of upgrades, but not thinking of the purchased Normal Eq as already being "upgraded".

Originally posted by iMan

if the AE has a SA bonus, you will have to wait till your AE is no less than 1 less than a normal + SA bonus
IE
a NE upgraded 5 times will have a +6 bonus
a AE (started out at +3, +1 SA) not fully upgraded for the level (which is pretty common for high level guys) has been upgraded 3 times and is at a +6 and +2 SA.
not that much better considering you've spent 24 BT plus however much BT you missed out on by using normal training to get the Shop token.
you would have to upgrade the AE fully for the level to actually see the advantages you'd rather have 6SP (from 24BT) than +2SA? plus you haven't evne fully upgraded that piece yet. even a piece that's +0/+1SA is better than SP-ing it, because you're getting +(BT/16)SA as opposed to BT/4 SP, where that SA is going to be something that costs at least BT/4 SA if not a ton more.

Originally posted by Meatdawg
Originally posted by iMan



a normal equip upgraded 5 times will have a +6
a AE that starts at 3 and is upgraded 5 times will have a +8
if you upgrade both of them again, you will have a normal +7 and a AE +9. guess what you still have the same 2 skill point advantage yet you had to pay 48 BT to upgrade it 6 times. at if you upgrade it again, you will still only have a 2 skill point advantage after spending 54 BT




?
Normal equipment upgraded 5 times is +5 is it not? How are you getting +6

The swing on a piece that starts +3 is 3 not 2.

If your base is 68, and you are level 40, 4 normal equip pieces with custom gives you +30 total from gear. (6+6+6+6+6)
If your base is 68, and you are level 40, 3 normal equip and 1 AE and custom gives you +33 total from gear. (9+6+6+6+6)

Normal equip the stat is 98
Normal with 1 AE +3 is 101

48 BT = 12 sp.

To go from 68 to 71 to make the normal = the AE would cost you 4+4+4 or 12 sp. You break dead even. (This doesnt even factor in a SA you could be getting for free!) However, the higher your natural stat is, the better on your return you are getting.




a normal Equip starts at 1, an AE that starts at 3 will have a +2 advantage over a normal.
however, it is going to always be +2 advantage. to sustain that +2 advantage you will have to continuously use BT
so lets do the math

Base
+1 NE
+3 AE
First Upgrade
+2 NE
+4 AE
2nd
+3 NE
+5 AE
3rd
+4 NE
+6 AE
4th
+5
+7
5th
+6
+8
factor in that AE gets an upgradeat lvl 1 and you have a +3 advantage

but see how you have to continuously use BT just to keep that +3 advantage
you will never have more than a +3 advantage yet you will always have to use BT to sustain that +3 advantage

Originally posted by SyedAshrafulla
Originally posted by iMan


if the AE has a SA bonus, you will have to wait till your AE is no less than 1 less than a normal + SA bonus
IE
a NE upgraded 5 times will have a +6 bonus
a AE (started out at +3, +1 SA) not fully upgraded for the level (which is pretty common for high level guys) has been upgraded 3 times and is at a +6 and +2 SA.
not that much better considering you've spent 24 BT plus however much BT you missed out on by using normal training to get the Shop token.
you would have to upgrade the AE fully for the level to actually see the advantages you'd rather have 6SP (from 24BT) than +2SA? plus you haven't evne fully upgraded that piece yet. even a piece that's +0/+1SA is better than SP-ing it, because you're getting +(BT/16)SA as opposed to BT/4 SP, where that SA is going to be something that costs at least BT/4 SA if not a ton more.

i understand that. I know eventually an AE WITH SA will be better than BT boost but for guys that have been around since season 1/2, they wont see the advantages of an AE until their 9th or so season.

An AE without SA or +% is a bad investment

I think a smart decision with builds is to set a shopping limit. At some point you should stop trying to get lucky and just take the bonus points. To be honest, I think the best strategy is to cross your fingers, shop at the most 5 times, then if you don't get anything good take your 20 SP. You need to set a limit so you don't end up wasting money and bonus tokens.

Originally posted by bkleo504
I think a smart decision with builds is to set a shopping limit. At some point you should stop trying to get lucky and just take the bonus points. To be honest, I think the best strategy is to cross your fingers, shop at the most 5 times, then if you don't get anything good take your 20 SP. You need to set a limit so you don't end up wasting money and bonus tokens.

NO IT'S BLACK OR WHITE DAMMIT! There's NO middle ground!



Everyone has to make their own decisions on this stuff.

Originally posted by iMan

i understand that. I know eventually an AE WITH SA will be better than BT boost but for guys that have been around since season 1/2, they wont see the advantages of an AE until their 9th or so season.

An AE without SA or +% is a bad investment

I've got a DT (lvl 32) from season 2 with AE fully upgraded and a WR (lvl 42) from season 1 who is a couple of days away from his lvl 40 upgrade.

Originally posted by iMan
Originally posted by Meatdawg

Originally posted by iMan




a normal equip upgraded 5 times will have a +6
a AE that starts at 3 and is upgraded 5 times will have a +8
if you upgrade both of them again, you will have a normal +7 and a AE +9. guess what you still have the same 2 skill point advantage yet you had to pay 48 BT to upgrade it 6 times. at if you upgrade it again, you will still only have a 2 skill point advantage after spending 54 BT




?
Normal equipment upgraded 5 times is +5 is it not? How are you getting +6

The swing on a piece that starts +3 is 3 not 2.

If your base is 68, and you are level 40, 4 normal equip pieces with custom gives you +30 total from gear. (6+6+6+6+6)
If your base is 68, and you are level 40, 3 normal equip and 1 AE and custom gives you +33 total from gear. (9+6+6+6+6)

Normal equip the stat is 98
Normal with 1 AE +3 is 101

48 BT = 12 sp.

To go from 68 to 71 to make the normal = the AE would cost you 4+4+4 or 12 sp. You break dead even. (This doesnt even factor in a SA you could be getting for free!) However, the higher your natural stat is, the better on your return you are getting.




a normal Equip starts at 1, an AE that starts at 3 will have a +2 advantage over a normal.
however, it is going to always be +2 advantage. to sustain that +2 advantage you will have to continuously use BT
so lets do the math

Base
+1 NE
+3 AE
First Upgrade
+2 NE
+4 AE
2nd
+3 NE
+5 AE
3rd
+4 NE
+6 AE
4th
+5
+7
5th
+6
+8
factor in that AE gets an upgradeat lvl 1 and you have a +3 advantage

but see how you have to continuously use BT just to keep that +3 advantage
you will never have more than a +3 advantage yet you will always have to use BT to sustain that +3 advantage


That +3 advantage is huge when your base stats are super high.... Why do you ignore this?

Factor in a SA or a % modifier and its a no brainer...

Technically speaking +3 is actually less beneficial the higher the attribute is. For instance if your natural kicking is 90, +3 is a 3.3% gain. Whereas if your confidence is 70, those same three there are a 4.3% gain. You have to make a decision if a 3% gain in kicking > 4.3% gain in confidence.