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Originally posted by jprietman
but you cant base it on last year's records. a lot of the teams that folded would definitely be championship teams in lesser leagues. i have no doubt that the MA Trolls or the Frankfurt HEAT would have easily won an AAA title.

Trust me, with the teams we have all the way down to WE A leagues, we could fill 14 pro leagues.

Originally posted by Lamba
Originally posted by jprietman

but you cant base it on last year's records. a lot of the teams that folded would definitely be championship teams in lesser leagues. i have no doubt that the MA Trolls or the Frankfurt HEAT would have easily won an AAA title.

Trust me, with the teams we have all the way down to WE A leagues, we could fill 14 pro leagues.

You'd think that, but you'd be wrong.

Originally posted by Lamba
Originally posted by jprietman

but you cant base it on last year's records. a lot of the teams that folded would definitely be championship teams in lesser leagues. i have no doubt that the MA Trolls or the Frankfurt HEAT would have easily won an AAA title.

Trust me, with the teams we have all the way down to WE A leagues, we could fill 14 pro leagues.

haha.. yea.. Hvad er ideen med engelske vikinger? pretty gay..

Originally posted by Mike Rogers
Koncorde, I agree that there are teams in lower leagues that are stronger than current WEPL teams.

But you missed the point that WEPL didnt send down 'Whipping Boys'.

GOOD teams folded.


I'm not looking at this season - I'm looking at the previous seasons were we have had the DFool AllStars for instance.

This season is unique in that a lot of teams that were bottlenecked trying to win 1 of 2 promotion slots all got got promoted (well, mostly).

As I see it - you've lost 2 "good" teams who would have been cupcake this season, still have a couple of survivor lower level teams, and have now got 3 or 4 of the best AAA teams available in one go rather than having to wait 3 seasons for them to come through.

Ergo - Zeta is stronger than it was, or would have ended up without the re-alignment.

Originally posted by jprietman
the new teams that moved up definitely deserve to be here. i would never dispute that. my only point is, that there are some teams that moved up that haven't yet proven that they could win in AAA, much less the WEPL (which is comprised of all the former AAA champions). Losing a couple of perennial teams like Frankfurt HEAT and MA Trolls and having them replaced by these teams isnt making the WEPL stronger. not trying to diss anybody, just pointing out an observation about how our league changed this offseason, thats all.

But its true that Paris moved up and took it all last season, and blew us all away. Any one of the new teams can definitely do the same thing. But all the reason and logic just dictates that this sort of thing is more and more unlikely with every passing season. Maybe one of the new teams has it in them. I wouldnt expect all of them to. I would just be very surprised if all of the new teams make it into the playoffs. I don't think it will happen.

No offence - but Dynasty/Ballers could well be the equal of Heat and MA Trolls, plus you now have Ice and Fire and whoever came from AAA#2. The logic, to my mind, suggests that actually it's more likely to take place season on season as more and more teams build from the bottom up - rather than trying to maintain what they have (which we have seen the fall-out of in USA Pro, and even WEPL this year).

I struggle to believe that Heat and MA Trolls were of such a quality as to skew it against the AAA teams that even with 4 or 5 of the best AAA teams coming up, the division has been noticeably weakened.

theres very little chance that dynasty/ballers are the equal to HEAT/Trolls. i dont think you really understand just how good those two teams were.

the realignment has caused it to become easier to win the championship, but harder to make the playoffs. not having to play the HEAT and Trolls in the playoffs has increased a lot of our chances. however, now that there are no more cupcake teams, MAKING the playoffs has become a tougher task.

basically, what happened to WEPL this season is the same thing that happens to AAA every season. Two of our top teams left and were replaced by the top teams of a lower division, which by all logic, is WEAKENING to the league. this has made the playoffs an easier time. however, our cupcake teams were replaced by playoff losers from a lower league which is obviously STRENGTHENING to the league. this has made the regular season a more difficult time.

Originally posted by jprietman
theres very little chance that dynasty/ballers are the equal to HEAT/Trolls. i dont think you really understand just how good those two teams were.

the realignment has caused it to become easier to win the championship, but harder to make the playoffs. not having to play the HEAT and Trolls in the playoffs has increased a lot of our chances. however, now that there are no more cupcake teams, MAKING the playoffs has become a tougher task.

basically, what happened to WEPL this season is the same thing that happens to AAA every season. Two of our top teams left and were replaced by the top teams of a lower division, which by all logic, is WEAKENING to the league. this has made the playoffs an easier time. however, our cupcake teams were replaced by playoff losers from a lower league which is obviously STRENGTHENING to the league. this has made the regular season a more difficult time.

Essentially what you are trying to say is that relegation and promotion is Bort's way to mimic parity the NFL supposedly espouses? Teams tend to gravitate to the middle which makes getting in very tight since there are many teams bunched together, but the "cream of the crop" so to speak has a decided edge over the rest of the competition.

I'll buy that theory for now, but I think some of the new teams need to see what the league holds before we can make an accurate assessment of the difficulty of the competition.

Originally posted by spartans72
Originally posted by jprietman

theres very little chance that dynasty/ballers are the equal to HEAT/Trolls. i dont think you really understand just how good those two teams were.

the realignment has caused it to become easier to win the championship, but harder to make the playoffs. not having to play the HEAT and Trolls in the playoffs has increased a lot of our chances. however, now that there are no more cupcake teams, MAKING the playoffs has become a tougher task.

basically, what happened to WEPL this season is the same thing that happens to AAA every season. Two of our top teams left and were replaced by the top teams of a lower division, which by all logic, is WEAKENING to the league. this has made the playoffs an easier time. however, our cupcake teams were replaced by playoff losers from a lower league which is obviously STRENGTHENING to the league. this has made the regular season a more difficult time.

Essentially what you are trying to say is that relegation and promotion is Bort's way to mimic parity the NFL supposedly espouses? Teams tend to gravitate to the middle which makes getting in very tight since there are many teams bunched together, but the "cream of the crop" so to speak has a decided edge over the rest of the competition.

I'll buy that theory for now, but I think some of the new teams need to see what the league holds before we can make an accurate assessment of the difficulty of the competition.


thats pretty much what i'm saying.

Well it will be interesting to see what happens, if the old Trolls/ Heat players all join teams in WEPL, then it could also be tougher. However, I have no doubt that 15th/16th in either league will make the playoffs in AAA next season.

This will be the most stressful season for every team this season. In Zeta, essentially every team is different from last season, with half of the teams being new teams. Most GMs would be aware of most tactics, however with new recruits in every team due to the defunct teams, it will be hard to plan. I wonder how everyone will adjust to this season.

I won't lie, I'm itching to play the Ballers, I've been watching you all last season. Can't wait to see how we hold up against you.

Originally posted by larkis
I wonder how everyone will adjust to this season.

This season is basically a scratch.

New plays, New Tactical interface.

First team to eliminate the buggy plays wins

Don't you mean first to abuse the buggy plays win?
I think I have an idea on what plays to abuse.

Nope, there are far more plays on offense that will cost you, than plays that 'always work'.

And most defensive plays will be beaten 3 out of 4 times based on a quick summary glance at the new plays. probably drops down to 1 out of 2 times when you factor in dropped passes sacks and fumbles etc.

Basically if you use more buggy plays than the opposition, your going to lose.

The game has the same flaws, over and over. Most of us know those flaws, just depends on how we use them to our advantage. Also most buggy plays will have huge upsides, either create huge holes and abuse defensive settings, or just abuse a lack of depth on the other team.

Hmm, maybe this season could see the rise of confidence become a match winning factor now.

Originally posted by Mike Rogers
And most defensive plays will be beaten 3 out of 4 times based on a quick summary glance at the new plays.


Does this imply that you can see a defensive playbook? Cause I can't?

you will see the plays in the outputs section of your AI.