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Originally posted by Jed
Originally posted by dirk41

Originally posted by Jed


Oh, and Dirk, considering William Davis is #3 in sacks and Reggie White #1 in hurries (not to mention that I can't remember the last time someone actually tried to run up the middle on us because of our DTs), I'm pretty sure we could rep the East damn well with The Big Uglies.

Lawrence Jackson is first in sacks with 61, 10 ahead of Davis.
Minister of Defense is fourth in sacks with 48, 3 behind Davis.
Lawrence Jackson is fourth in hurries.
Lawrence Jackson is eleventh in tackles.
Lawrence Jackson is fourth in forced fumbles.

I probably missed some others though....

Who were your guys again?

Look again

Willie Davis:#1 in sacks, #3 in hurries
Reggie White: #1 in Hurries, #8 in Sacks

Mean Joe used to get more stats, but the speed of the DEs is just too much for him to really get the stats anymore, but on passing plays, he gets more than his share of penetration.

And still, no one is dumb enough to run up the middle on us to get our DTs many stats.

Yeah but LJ and Mod still have Dogs of war next...

Originally posted by Capaneus
Originally posted by flames54
Wasn't sure, he's always been great for us, despite the inflated stats against cpu's.Always good to see owners supporting their players, and I've definitely missed people. Didn't mean to diss the vs. CPU stats either, since we all get to play 'em.
Not exactly true.
Detroit Dump Trucks and Detroit Nasty both went CPU midseason, meaning those that played them early on would be at a disadvantage stat-wise.
Not that there is any possible way to factor that in.
Just picking up on something that pure stats cant cover.

I think the formula is a damn fine way of creating a shortlist to put to a vote where those 'intangibles' can be considered.

Originally posted by Sam Bolster
Yeah but LJ and Mod still have Dogs of war next...

Yea, but right now, those stats are true

As you said, O-line stats make it tough to figure. However at least one Marauders lineman should be on this list for these reasons:

#2 in the league in sacks+hurries allowed

I haven't tallied it, but a general overview of the numbers shows that we are easily #1 in (sacks+hurries)/pass attempts.

Maybe in the formula there should be something that pulls numbers from the teams overall pass protection as well as pancakes? All 5 of the Marauders O-line deserve consideration for this award.

Originally posted by Galkuris
As you said, O-line stats make it tough to figure. However at least one Marauders lineman should be on this list for these reasons:

#2 in the league in sacks+hurries allowed

I haven't tallied it, but a general overview of the numbers shows that we are easily #1 in (sacks+hurries)/pass attempts.

Maybe in the formula there should be something that pulls numbers from the teams overall pass protection as well as pancakes? All 5 of the Marauders O-line deserve consideration for this award.

I second this, I've never seen anybody do shit for pass rush against that team and line.

Jed your stuff is after todays games you cheater lol

doesn't matter, it's true now!

Lies and deceit.

Alright, this should shut up you chatty bitches in the East:

Defensive Pro Bowl Selections for USA Pro East

Couple notes:
1. If you're confused about the methodology, read the first post.
2. These stats reflect games played up through week 14. I should be able to make a second pass after week 16.

A little preview of the list, there are:
5 players from Philadelphia Pushovers
4 players from Doomsday Sin
3 players from Chicago Mustangs
2 players from Boston Nighthawks
2 players from Kalamazoo Coyotes
1 player from Washington Bullets
1 player from Green Bay Maulers
1 player from Detroit Demon Lions
1 player from Miami Bulldogs
1 player from Kentucky Madcats
1 player from Gridiron Rage

NT:
Starter: Rocky Padavanno of the Doomsday Sin- Over in the West, we hear tales of the Mustangs’ beastly D-line, but they wish they had this guy. NT’s don’t normally put up big stats, but that hasn’t stopped Padavanno. 16 Hurries, 14 Sacks and 22 TFL would be impressive even for a DE. (174)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=87345&playoffs=0

Alt: Art “Fatso” Donovan of the Philadelphia Pushovers- He may not have the pass rush presence of Padavanno, but Donovan is still having an excellent year, with 23 TFL and 4 FF. (123)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=26355&playoffs=0

DT:
Starter: Tarvaris Washington of the Chicago Mustangs- Okay, maybe the Mustang D is as good as advertised. With 15 Hurries, 11 TFL, 86 Tks and a staggering 38 sacks, Washington is as good, if not better, than reputation would have it. (218)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=32466&playoffs=0

Alt: Oake Tree of the Green Bay Maulers- It’s hard to keep up with Washington, but Tree comes close. He has over twice as many TFL (24), and if he could just convert some more of his 28 hurries into sacks, they’d be neck and neck. (170)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=66399&playoffs=0

LDE:
Starter: Lawrence Jackson of the Chicago Mustangs- As much as I’d love to upset conventional wisdom, Jackson’s greatness cannot be denied. He’s an incredibly talented player who’s having the season of his career thus far, and he has a dominant hold on his position. 32 Hurries, 13 TFL, 7 FF, a whopping 122 Tks and 65 goddamn Sacks. What more is there to say? (387)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=26199&playoffs=0

Alt: Robert Mathis of the Detroit Demon Lions- Somebody’s got to be second, but Mathis makes it looks sweet. He has 129 Tks, and with 17 Hurries, 16 TFL and 48 sacks, he makes a solid alt. (306)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=32935&playoffs=0

RDE:
Starter: William Davis of the Philadelphia Pushovers- After his game against the Nasty, it’s clear that Davis is the leading RDE in the East. With over 100 Sacks plus Hurries, he’s a one-man pass rush package. (319)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=32070&playoffs=0

Alt: Minister of Defense of the Chicago Mustangs- Defense has an odd problem: his supporting cast is too good. Chicago’s D keeps opponents off the field, so he has over 300 fewer snaps than Davis. If he got more plays, he might well surpass Davis, but this is stats, not speculation. 50 Sacks, 18 Hurries, 8 TFL and 2 Safeties put himabove everyone else, though. (244)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=26217&playoffs=0

MLB:
Starter: Jason Smith of the Kentucky Madcats- Yes, Smith’s 175 tackles probably indicate the sorry state of Kentucky’s D-Line, which leaves Smith doing clean up. But with 5 hurries, 4 sacks, 12 TFL and a whopping 10 FF, he’s a janitor I’d love to have on my team (240)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=28567&playoffs=0

Alt: Dominic Alleva of the Doomsday Sin- Freed from Smith’s type of clean up duties, Alleva is free to study the art of the LB blitz, and he a master of that art in the East, with 15 Hurries and 19 Sacks. 10 TFL, 10 PD and 99 Tks make him a well-rounded weapon. (191)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=107966&playoffs=0

LLB:
Starter: Joe Hester of the Boston Nighthawks- A standout at LB this season, Hester’s 107 tackles and 24 TFL mark him as a run stopping machine. With 5 FF, he often roughs ‘em up before taking ‘em down. (172)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=28849&playoffs=0

Alt: Danny Bateman of the Philadelphia Pushovers- Bateman is a bit of a jack-of-all-trades. With 7 Hurries, 13 PD, 6 Sacks and 2 Ints, he can stop the aerial attack. 91 tackles and 18 TFL means he shut down the ground game, too. 14 MsTk worries me a bit, though. (154)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=26278&playoffs=0

RLB:
Starter: Clay Matthews of the Gridiron Rage- There should be no doubt about the name of the most dominant LB in the East: it’s spelled “Matthews”. He’s the backbone of the Rage defense and with 157 Tk and 29 TFL in addition to 5 Hurries and a mammoth 41 Sacks, he’s a lethal weapon you can build a defense around. (332)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=40121&playoffs=0

Alt: Daddy Fatstacks of the Doomsday Sin- Nobody can really compete with Matthews this season, but Fatstacks is trying. 100+ Tk, 8 Hurries, 11 Sacks and 2 Ints is a fine effort. (169)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=69422&playoffs=0

CB1: Sandesh Pawar of the Kalamazoo Coyotes- As in the West, there is one CB who is a cut above the competition. 40 PD, a huge 13 Ints and five, (count ‘em!) five Def TDs spell decimation for opposing offenses. (178)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=27025&playoffs=0

CB2: Play Maker of the Boston Nighthawks- Picking the CB2 was difficult, but I’m going to give the edge to Maker, as he was able to tote up an impressive stat line in far fewer plays than my other two picks at CB. 34 PD, 7 Ints and 3 Def TDs are some outstanding numbers. (136)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=39195&playoffs=0

CB3: Sheen Mathis of the Philadelphia Pushovers- On raw numbers, Mathis has Maker beat: 45 PD, 5 Int and 4 total Def TDs. (149)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=26270&playoffs=0

CB4: Tyson Cleaves of the Doomsday Sin- CBs in the East have a nose for the endzone once they get the ball, and Cleaves’ five DefTDs (on only 8 Ints) means he can do that with the best of ‘em. (127)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=93781&playoffs=0

FS:
Starter: Barry Ballhawk of the Kalamazoo Coyotes- It’s a tight race at FS, but Ballhawk has lived up to his name, notching up 10 PD, 3 Ints, 4 FF and a DefTD. (65)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=27701&playoffs=0

Alt: P Watson of the Washington Bullets- I’m giving the edge to Watson over Balls Hawk of Green Bay because of his versatility. 3 TFL and 4 FF make him an asset to the Run D, in addition to a sturdy 5 PD and 3 Ints. (54)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=28404&playoffs=0

SS:
Starter: Nesby Glasgow of the Philadelphia Pushovers- Glasgow does a little bit of everything to help out his team: 1 Hurry, 6 TFL, 14 PD, 5 Ints (!), 2 DefTD and one FF. (89)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=26298&playoffs=0

Alt: Haywood J’Blomee of the Miami Bulldogs- This pick is a bit controversial because, one, he’s not actually an SS (he’s a FS) and two, his stat line is clearly inflated by being the stopper for a lousy D-line. Still, I’ll give the guy credit for 16 PD, 3 Ints and 6 FF. (113)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=62329&playoffs=0

Nice list

Just a note on Danny: I've been experimenting a lot with power tackling this season, which has lead to the missed tackles.

I'm sad to see Reggie White not make the list, though. I know you're basing it off of stats, but there are many plays where he and Willie meet at the QB, Reggie's just a split second behind to get credit for the sack.

Same goes for Mean Joe Green, who at the DT spot, gets through the O-line quite a bit....just to be beat there by the DEs.

Side-note based on that, it would be nice to see half sacks credited for that reason.

alright! we snuck one in there

Originally posted by packers0491
alright! we snuck one in there

Thanks to you and your DC, Matthews has had a breakout year. I have another LB with the exact same build in USA AAA with a score of 82. Just goes to show you how a players build can be diluted with bad tactics and playing out of position.

Wow, Ballhawk is the starting FS? Interesting, considering he hasn't even started for the Coyotes for about half of the season. That's quite an accomplishment.

Sandesh is a no-brainer. 5 defensive TDs spells "playmaker."

Originally posted by Ronin
Wow, Ballhawk is the starting FS? Interesting, considering he hasn't even started for the Coyotes for about half of the season. That's quite an accomplishment.

Sandesh is a no-brainer. 5 defensive TDs spells "playmaker."

5 safeties spells "playmaker" too

Great list !

Originally posted by Jed
Nice list


You're just saying that cause there are five guys from Philly on it Seriously, though-

Originally posted by Jed

Just a note on Danny: I've been experimenting a lot with power tackling this season, which has lead to the missed tackles.

Missed tackles aren't a huge deal for an LB. But I kinda think they should be more of a negative for Safeties. Right now, the scoring for all DBacks is .25 for every tackle, and -.25 for every missed tackle. My first thought would be raising that to at least -.50 for a MsTk, but I don't want to penalize too much for situations where they might be assisting another player.

Originally posted by Jed

I'm sad to see Reggie White not make the list, though. I know you're basing it off of stats, but there are many plays where he and Willie meet at the QB, Reggie's just a split second behind to get credit for the sack.

Same goes for Mean Joe Green, who at the DT spot, gets through the O-line quite a bit....just to be beat there by the DEs.


You just want all dontmeswidme's players on there, don't you? No question in my mind, if there was an an award for average level of awesomeness for all players created by a single agent, he'd run away with it. But, like I said with the Mustangs, I think those two guys are just suffering from being on such a great unit. On a worse team, they'd stand out a lot more. I didn't institute a system where each team sent at least one player to the Pro Bowl, but competition within a squad does help spread things around a little.

For picking Mathis over White, Mathis was able to accumulate a markedly higher total score despite having about 150+ fewer snaps than White, so to me that's a solid pick. I didn't realize that White had over 60 hurries- 100+ Sacks plus Hurries is an impressive mark. Currently, a Tk and a Hurry are both worth 1 pt for D-line players, and there could be a case for raising Hurries to 1.25.

As for Greene, he doesn't have near the numbers of my two picks, and while I'm not denying the existence of those intangibles, I can't think of feasible (i.e., not involving me in watching thousands of replays) way of measuring it. If Bort ever hard codes a Pro Bowl, this would be where voting would come in- though I can't think of a good way of implementing that either. Another thing to remember is that the Pro Bowl should be very much based on seasonal performance. It's not saying "this guy is the best CB EVEER", but "this CB has had the best season". Greene's performance in season 2 would have put him in over either of those guys, so I'd be more than happy to grant he has it in him.

Originally posted by Jed

Side-note based on that, it would be nice to see half sacks credited for that reason.

I'd be all for that. Given that this all happening on a hard drive, I'd really like to see the stat logging and categorizing expanded.

Originally posted by Galkuris
As you said, O-line stats make it tough to figure. However at least one Marauders lineman should be on this list for these reasons:

#2 in the league in sacks+hurries allowed

I haven't tallied it, but a general overview of the numbers shows that we are easily #1 in (sacks+hurries)/pass attempts.

Maybe in the formula there should be something that pulls numbers from the teams overall pass protection as well as pancakes? All 5 of the Marauders O-line deserve consideration for this award.

Currently, the formula for O-line score is Pancakes/5 - Sacks allowed. Since there's no easy way to track which player gave up which sack, I just applied that to a whole O-line at once. Currently Minny has allowed 14 Sacks and their starting O-line has toted up 144 pancakes. That gives you a score of 14.8. compared to GSA's 35 and BSB's 21.4 That's so far from being an adequate measure of O-line performance I wouldn't take it too seriously. If you can think of any way to improve it, especially to measure the performance of individual players, I'd love to hear it.