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Snakebite99
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Originally posted by Bukowski

1. Speed
2. Agility (close to speed)
3. Vision (close to agility)

5. Strength/Stamina
6. Tackling
7. Jumping/Confidence/Catching


Jumping is so underrated for LBs IMO. I do agree with the order you have here, and i especially agree with your little parenthetical comments for 2 and 3, but if you want your LOLB to excel in coverage, he has to have good jumping along with agility and vision. At least from what ive experienced. Im still trying to figure out if SAs are even worth having though. Any thoughts on that?
 
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swat ball is not too bad. But don't go off half cocked and put 11 in it.
 
Rod Long
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Originally posted by ill Bill
Originally posted by Rod Long

Plus maybe I just put more value on building a more balanced MLB than him. I have at least another 40 points than that MLB in blocking/jumping/catching/confidence combined on top of what he has. And I've never put a point in those categories. Just trained completely efficiently.


I was wondering about how you train what is the best method for a completely efficient training method. Should I use normal or intense work on what I need most or what is the best % on what I need?


Don't train
-speed
-agility
-vision
-strength
-tackling
-stamina

Train
-conf
-jumping
-catching

If you train a major, your player will just be worse off in the long run than if you didn't. Thats why slowbuilding linebackers in that fashion is just about the dumbest idea ever.
 
Combatt
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I watched your last game Rod and your low strength LOLB got owned by that TE.
 
Josh Howell
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http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=192798&pbp_id=3872140

This play shows why vision is probably THE single most important attribute when building a linebacker. It seems like a lot of people here are trying to build a free safety build and have him play linebacker.

There are a few good ideas in this thread, however. Tackling is highly overrated if you have decent enough strength to cover for it. I have my player at about 36.5 strength and tackle is nearly soft capped. If you have a LB that has 20 ST then you may as well put him at DB because what you have is a guy who is never going to get off blocks and will only get tackles if nobody goes to block him or he beats the blockers to the ball.

The better league that your player plays in, the faster the linemen and TE's are. If they beat you to the second level you're going to need some strength to break off the blocks. You can get away with low strength on LB's in average leagues but the better the blocking gets the more your LB will suffer.

Agility and Speed should be about 3/4 in favor of Speed. In the play above you see all three attributes used in Speed, Agility, and Vision. My player saw the sweep coming and went under the pulling guard and made a play. That is what you need.

NEVER put points into catching. If you want to train it, then fine. My LB has 6 career picks and 2 for TDs without ever having put points into it. Interceptions are all about right place and right time. It is a total waste of points to put them into catching. Again, you're not building a free safety. You're building a linebacker. The bulk of your work is going to be making the tackles.

Unless your coach likes to use you in blitz formations, which mine never has, you need to fill up that Hard Hitter attribute bar as hard as you can. Unless you're playing MLB the defense general points shouldn't be too high but you can never go wrong with as much diving tackle and monster hit as you can. My player has forced 12 fumbles in his last 30 odd games. All on wrap up tackling.

Blitzing from the linebacker position in the sim isn't an exact science yet so I don't see the point in building a linebacker for that purpose.

Linebackers need to be all around players in this sim to be effective and there is no one right way to build them. Speed, Agility, and Vision are important at virtually every position but do NOT neglect Strength and Tackle as is being advised here. You'll get eaten alive in very strong leagues that way.
 
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Originally posted by Blamo
a 1:1 speed:agility ratio is terrible. Even with last year's changes to speed/agility, that's excessive. Personally, my LB has 83 speed and 53 agility. I'm probably never going to put another point (except equipment) in speed again, and I'm aiming to have my agility be about 75% of my speed. I also think catching is overrated until you start to see consistent PDs. I also agree that strength and tackling are a bit overrated. Neither of mine are soft capped, and I missed 10 tackles all year. Not bad considering that half of those came on plays I wouldn't have even been in a position to make if it weren't for my speed. My philosophy has always been to foremost worry about getting into position to make plays.


rofl

Yes, instantly stopping/starting sucks hardcore.
 
staggart
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How high is good jumping?
 
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I would say 35 is high. Tyler and Caleb could probably both use a little increase there, but it's kinda hard to get. 30 seems like it would be nice but low 20s has seemed pretty effective so far.

Guess we'll find out with our next game huh staggart?
 
Combatt
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If you get jumping to 30 you will be very happy with the results.
 
Rod Long
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Originally posted by Josh Howell
Speed, Agility, and Vision are important at virtually every position but do NOT neglect Strength and Tackle as is being advised here. You'll get eaten alive in very strong leagues that way.


Doesn't happen. And I play in at least 2 leagues with average levels higher than your linebacker. I'm still waiting for those high strength or 48 strength guys to show me all those blocks that they are shedding. . . .Just because it could hypothetically make sense to do so doesn't mean it really happens in GLB.

So how much strength are you going to need to have to shed a block.. . . 35?. . . 50. . . 60? Uh oh here comes the EQUALIZER . . So if your DE's and DTs are engaged with blockers and have a hard time shedding blocks if they are shedding them at all, then what build strategy are you advocating for a LB going against 70 strength 70 blocking linemen. You are FUBAR'ed at that point anyway once they get to you. You think your LB is going to disengage them somehow and then make a play to hold them to under 8 yards on a run. Gimme a break. If the DLine gets locked up with these linemen, what makes you think a weaker, less agile LB is going to SHED his block. While you say I am building a safety, you are just building an out of position DE that blows.

It was a nice play by your LB though. My guys have a ton of those too so I guess your ultra-LASIK-surgeried vision LB doesn't show how you are getting these because of your purposely pumped high vision. I can tell your LB has very high speed and agility. At least 75/55. So what is the common link here . . .
 
Combatt
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Rod, the TE in the game before last completely owned you play after play. How is that helping your team?
 
Rod Long
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Originally posted by Combatt
Rod, the TE in the game before last completely owned you play after play. How is that helping your team?


Please show me a high strength linebacker fighting through TE, FB, or OL blocks just occasionally during a game. Once the block is engaged you are pretty much screwed. Offensive blocking has been held too long for a couple of seasons now. In the same game, the other teams higher strength linebackers aren't fighting through blocks either . . . so really what is your point. I know I had my LOLB playing too close to the line of scrimmage for all of the inside running that they did. I can fix that to give him room to operate with my AI. That is a tactical error. Just please show me where these higher strength linebackers are shedding those same blocks. They sure aren't in my level of competition. The opposing higher strength linebackers were getting owned by blockers they were engaged with also. Their linebackers were making plays from a deeper position from the line of scrimmage but their LOLB was still getting chipped and taken out of the play as well.

So how does this reflect poorly on my LBs???

Note: 8 combined TE receptions in last 5 games against.

Also, Rod missed his first tackle of the season today. I guess instead of a 5 yard loss, my other LB hit him with a 3 yard loss and forced a fumble.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=144761&pbp_id=4380900

Rod can do what you can do but you can't do what Rod can do . . .here:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=144761&pbp_id=4387029

 
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http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=140604&pbp_id=2000009


Is this strength or speed, or just a missed block?
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Rod Long
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Originally posted by Laken
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=140604&pbp_id=2000009


If this strength or speed, or just a missed block?


From looking at your LB's other TFL from that game and another tackle, looks like agility to me. Plus that RG isn't even seeming to engage you at all because in this play http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=140604&pbp_id=2003039 the RG acts like a viable player with the expected result.

Thanks for this! I had a couple extra points sitting around. Looks like I'm gonna bump agility for sure now.

Damn that LB is salty!
 
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Originally posted by Rod Long
Originally posted by Josh Howell

Speed, Agility, and Vision are important at virtually every position but do NOT neglect Strength and Tackle as is being advised here. You'll get eaten alive in very strong leagues that way.


Doesn't happen. And I play in at least 2 leagues with average levels higher than your linebacker. I'm still waiting for those high strength or 48 strength guys to show me all those blocks that they are shedding. . . .Just because it could hypothetically make sense to do so doesn't mean it really happens in GLB.

So how much strength are you going to need to have to shed a block.. . . 35?. . . 50. . . 60? Uh oh here comes the EQUALIZER . . So if your DE's and DTs are engaged with blockers and have a hard time shedding blocks if they are shedding them at all, then what build strategy are you advocating for a LB going against 70 strength 70 blocking linemen. You are FUBAR'ed at that point anyway once they get to you. You think your LB is going to disengage them somehow and then make a play to hold them to under 8 yards on a run. Gimme a break. If the DLine gets locked up with these linemen, what makes you think a weaker, less agile LB is going to SHED his block. While you say I am building a safety, you are just building an out of position DE that blows.

It was a nice play by your LB though. My guys have a ton of those too so I guess your ultra-LASIK-surgeried vision LB doesn't show how you are getting these because of your purposely pumped high vision. I can tell your LB has very high speed and agility. At least 75/55. So what is the common link here . . .


Well say what you like, but my LB gets more TFL, FF, etc. than your LB's do and it's because he has the strength to break off from TE's and the occasion chip block from a FB and yours doesn't. I would think if you're advising people on how to build a free safety you'd at least know that.

I'm not building an out of position DE either. My strength and tackle aren't even soft capped, but they're not neglected either.

As far as competition goes, I think SE Asia Pro league has better teams and players than USA BBB #4 or whatever leagues your LB's are in.
 
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