Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Yard Dog
I'll sign all 10 of you guys! ;-) J/K. I don't think all of you leaving is the answer...

the j/k = just kidding... I think some of you took that as being a serious comment.

You know, the reasons this blew up are obvious, but I will point them out.

Timing was awful.

First you have a league that has already been rocked by not one but two cheating scandals that have resulted in massive bannings on 2 teams. So everyone here is very sensitive right now and on the lookout for suspicious behavior. In life, but especially in on-line gaming, perception very often becomes reality. It is part of howon-line communities behave.

Second, if this had happened in the off-season it would likely have gone unnoticed. But in the second half of the season during a close playoff race where everyone is scouting out each other anythiung that looks fishy is going to be noticed and brought to the rest of the leagues attention,because quite frankly peer pressure is the only effective way to regulate behavior in an on-line enviroment.

Third, as exemplified in the 65 page thread I posted, gutting/collusion is in itself a hot button issue. It is on everyone's mind. Once again, the reaction is should not be a surprise.

Looking at the actions of AlCapown from the outside, how is any conclusion other gutting/collusion to be garnered. 10 players are cut from thier team by the owner, who sells the team after cutting all the best players, these players then sign on the very same day with a new tream in a league 3 levels below their current competition. Given the current enviroment even if it was innocent the people involved should have known that it would be questioned and would look suspicious.


At best the people involved were niave to think that this would fly by and not raise hell.

Originally posted by mgse
Originally posted by General Terms

you know i think the details and the leagues problem with the entire scenario has been explained ad naseum. i cannot believe that at this point you cant at the very least acknowledge that others have a right to feel they have been grieved. only an imbecile couldnt at least see, even if they dont agree, why this whole thing would PO people and you seem to cool for me to call an imbecile. so instead i will implore you to stop drinking the kool aid before someone questions your own integrity.

You obviously haven't read my previous posts and just want to whine like a sissy. Carry on.



Err sorry bud but you mis spelled the word WIN just then. You see there is no H or E in it. But yes I do continue to want to win which I intend to do, but not like a sissy. Winning like a sissy is what cheaters do. I hope you can get yourself off that team man, I really do.

I am not the criminal mastermind that oh so many of you have branded me, I saw them in the market, signed them, thats all on my part. And they are a great group of guys and you guys should not tarnish their rep like you are, nor mine. I have not broken the rules in anyway, and if you go back, this conversation was started by someone calling me a cheater.. I am behind Mamba and all the guys 100% , and they will be my guys until an admin tells me I have done wrong, which based on the rules, I have not, and I really havent.

Originally posted by General Terms
Err sorry bud but you mis spelled the word WIN just then. You see there is no H or E in it. But yes I do continue to want to win which I intend to do, but not like a sissy. Winning like a sissy is what cheaters do. I hope you can get yourself off that team man, I really do.

Goddamn you are clever. Someday, I hope I am half as cool as you.

Originally posted by Lef Grebo
You know, the reasons this blew are obvious, but I will point them out.

Timing was awful.

First you have a league that has already been rocked by not one but two cheating scandals that have resulted in massive bannings on 2 teams. So everyone here is very sensitive right now and on the lookout for suspicious behavior. In life, but especially in on-line gaming, perception very often becomes reality. It is part of howon-line communities behave.

Second, if this had happened in the off-season it would likely have gone unnoticed. But in the second half of the season during a close playoff race where everyone is scouting out each other anythiung that looks fishy is going to be noticed and brought to the rest of the leagues attention,because quite frankly peer pressure is the only effective way to regulate behavior in an on-line enviroment.

Third, as exemplified in the 65 page thread I posted, gutting/collusion is in itself a hot button issue. It is on everyone's mind. Once again, the reaction is should not be a surprise.

Looking at the actions of AlCapown from the outside, how is any conclusion other gutting/collusion to be garnered. 10 players are cut from thier team by the owner, who sells the team after cutting all the best players, these players then sign on the very same day with a new tream in a league 3 levels below their current competition. Given the current enviroment even if it was innocent the people involved should have known that it would be questioned and would look suspicious.


At best the people involved were niave to think that this would fly by and raise hell.

Well said Grebo. This is what ppl like myself, meathead, and billsman have been saying for 20 pages already. Why is it when I say it its called whining though? I dont get that...

VIVA LA EVOLUCION!

Originally posted by mgse
Originally posted by General Terms

Err sorry bud but you mis spelled the word WIN just then. You see there is no H or E in it. But yes I do continue to want to win which I intend to do, but not like a sissy. Winning like a sissy is what cheaters do. I hope you can get yourself off that team man, I really do.

Goddamn you are clever. Someday, I hope I am half as cool as you.

What are you talking about? Quite clearly you ARE half as cool as I am.

Originally posted by General Terms
Originally posted by mgse

Originally posted by General Terms


Err sorry bud but you mis spelled the word WIN just then. You see there is no H or E in it. But yes I do continue to want to win which I intend to do, but not like a sissy. Winning like a sissy is what cheaters do. I hope you can get yourself off that team man, I really do.

Goddamn you are clever. Someday, I hope I am half as cool as you.

What are you talking about? Quite clearly you ARE half as cool as I am.

BTW, dumb question, why do you have so many high level players who used to be part of the Honolulu Skulls?

Originally posted by mgse
Originally posted by General Terms

Originally posted by mgse


Originally posted by General Terms



Err sorry bud but you mis spelled the word WIN just then. You see there is no H or E in it. But yes I do continue to want to win which I intend to do, but not like a sissy. Winning like a sissy is what cheaters do. I hope you can get yourself off that team man, I really do.

Goddamn you are clever. Someday, I hope I am half as cool as you.

What are you talking about? Quite clearly you ARE half as cool as I am.

BTW, dumb question, why do you have so many high level players who used to be part of the Honolulu Skulls?

This is what is called a Straw Man. And frankly I am surprised to see mgse use it.
Calling into question a 3rd party while discussing 2 others. Classic straw man. Also, if you look, all those players, who were lvl 7-8 when they signed, belong to the same player. And did not come from a AAA USA league but a AA Oceana league that were competative with this league. Unlike what we have here when the incoming players are top tier or higher for this league.

Also I counted 6 players, almost half of what came over for Chattenooga.

Apples and Oranges.

Frankly, I am disappointed with mgse and this weak Straw Man.

Frankly I am quite disappointed.

Originally posted by mgse
Originally posted by General Terms

Originally posted by mgse


Originally posted by General Terms



Err sorry bud but you mis spelled the word WIN just then. You see there is no H or E in it. But yes I do continue to want to win which I intend to do, but not like a sissy. Winning like a sissy is what cheaters do. I hope you can get yourself off that team man, I really do.

Goddamn you are clever. Someday, I hope I am half as cool as you.

What are you talking about? Quite clearly you ARE half as cool as I am.

BTW, dumb question, why do you have so many high level players who used to be part of the Honolulu Skulls?

I have wondered this same thing for quite some time now. Their seems to be a big link between Assasins, Skull, Pittsburgh Onslaught, Atom Bombs, and one other team that escapes my mind right now.
I have read many posts on this and am just curious.

Originally posted by Alcapown
I am not the criminal mastermind that oh so many of you have branded me, I saw them in the market, signed them, thats all on my part. And they are a great group of guys and you guys should not tarnish their rep like you are, nor mine. I have not broken the rules in anyway, and if you go back, this conversation was started by someone calling me a cheater.. I am behind Mamba and all the guys 100% , and they will be my guys until an admin tells me I have done wrong, which based on the rules, I have not, and I really havent.


Saw who on the market? The only player who anyone can tell was actually offered on the free market was mamba's. what about the other 9? and how do you explain the players getting to the market in the first place? can you justify 10 players being cut from the Mambas before that team is sold? dont you care about the owner who inherited the team after you took all of its best players? like i said before even if we could believe your 'bag of these awesome players fell from the sky and hit me in the head' innocence routine any reasonable persons 'this aint right alarm' would be blaring with even the thought of bringing them all to your team. or perhaps you think its just the other 15 people posting here all pissed of that are the unreasonable ones? you say you wont do the right thing, even after mamba has decided to at least try and make it right, unless the admins make you. well heres to hoping they do and double heres to hoping that the honest members of BBB #14 keep going until they do.

Originally posted by Lef Grebo
You know, the reasons this blew up are obvious, but I will point them out.

Timing was awful.

First you have a league that has already been rocked by not one but two cheating scandals that have resulted in massive bannings on 2 teams. So everyone here is very sensitive right now and on the lookout for suspicious behavior. In life, but especially in on-line gaming, perception very often becomes reality. It is part of howon-line communities behave.

Second, if this had happened in the off-season it would likely have gone unnoticed. But in the second half of the season during a close playoff race where everyone is scouting out each other anythiung that looks fishy is going to be noticed and brought to the rest of the leagues attention,because quite frankly peer pressure is the only effective way to regulate behavior in an on-line enviroment.

Third, as exemplified in the 65 page thread I posted, gutting/collusion is in itself a hot button issue. It is on everyone's mind. Once again, the reaction is should not be a surprise.

Looking at the actions of AlCapown from the outside, how is any conclusion other gutting/collusion to be garnered. 10 players are cut from thier team by the owner, who sells the team after cutting all the best players, these players then sign on the very same day with a new tream in a league 3 levels below their current competition. Given the current enviroment even if it was innocent the people involved should have known that it would be questioned and would look suspicious.


At best the people involved were niave to think that this would fly by and not raise hell.

Amen.

Originally posted by Alcapown
I am not the criminal mastermind that oh so many of you have branded me, I saw them in the market, signed them, thats all on my part. And they are a great group of guys and you guys should not tarnish their rep like you are, nor mine. I have not broken the rules in anyway, and if you go back, this conversation was started by someone calling me a cheater.. I am behind Mamba and all the guys 100% , and they will be my guys until an admin tells me I have done wrong, which based on the rules, I have not, and I really havent.


You are being judged by your fellow peers here for what has gone down. If they remain your guys even after all this the labeling will more than likely continue.

Originally posted by Lef Grebo
This is what is called a Straw Man. And frankly I am surprised to see mgse use it.
Calling into question a 3rd party while discussing 2 others. Classic straw man. Also, jsut to make sure I checked the generals players and did not find any that spent any time with Honolulu this season.

Frankly I am quite disappointed.

Don't care if you're disappointed. But this isn't arguing about Chattanooga anymore. This is attacking General Terms.

Anyway, not sure what you were checking...in fact, I'm pretty sure you didn't check a damn thing or just aren't very observant. So look again:

Mother Hubbard
Smart Shell
Boomer Brown
Sloth Tooz
Roid Rage Alzado

Thats just the starters on the depth chart. Might be more. There are quite a few other players that were added from other teams around week 3 - 5.

I will most likely be moving to the pros, I cannot say the same for the rest at this point.

That will be my own conscience decision as a player, the rest is out of my control.