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Originally posted by RayRay99
Please give me examples where he has been classless and selfish? Answers such as "there are too many to name" are not acceptable.

As far as Strong goes, he didn't address his Louisville players when he bolted for Austin
http://www.thecardinalconnect.com/2014/01/05/charlie-strong-will-not-meet-with-current-louisville-players/

He barred the media from practices because he was jealous of the attention the basketball team at Louisville was getting
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1142673-college-football-2012-charlie-strong-picks-up-his-ball-and-goes-home#articles/1142673-college-football-2012-charlie-strong-picks-up-his-ball-and-goes-home

And he played the race card and his interracial marriage as the reason it took him so long to get a head coaching job
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2009-01-07/sports/strong07_1_head-coach-hiring-a-coach-interracial-marriage

Talk about classless, selfish, immature, and douchey...




First off, we don't know why he didn't address his players. He met with his AD to inform him that he was taking the Texas job and then the AD addressed the players. We don't know whether Jurich requested to speak to the players rather than Strong or whether Strong felt it would be better since he was no longer their coach by that time. A coach taking a promotion is nothing classless or selfish. Also, I love your use of the word 'bolt' as the descriptor for him leaving Louisville. He got offered a better job and took it. That's not bolting, that moving up.

Your second article has absolutely zero credibility. Strong closing practices is nothing new; it's simply a coaching preference. The statement that it was due to jealously of the basketball team was complete conjecture coming from a tweet that doesn't even exist anymore. Like almost all of the articles you link from crap websites like bleacher report, it has zero credibility.

As for your third link, if you think that his race and his marriage had nothing to do with it taking so long for him to get a head coaching job, you've got your head in the sand. Your accusation that 'he played the race' card speaks more to your mindset towards race than to his. If you actually read the article you'd see that Strong was told he didn't get jobs because of he and his wife's race, just like people spoke out about Gill not getting the Auburn job due to he and his wife's race. Strong wasn't making some baseless excuse for not getting a job, he was restating what he was given as a reason for him not receiving a job offer. The article actually does the exact opposite than what you claim it does in that it shows that, despite the racist treatment he received, he responded with nothing but class.

As for Manziel being classless, let's name a few:
- attacking a black man after hearing his friend use a racial slur towards the black man (fucking racist aggies)
- presenting a fake ID to the cops after being arrested for said assault
- signing autographs for money in violation of NCAA rules
- after getting away with said violation of NCAA rules, making money/signing gestures during football games to mock people
- partying and drinking while underage and very publicly while being the face of A&M athletics

With the exception of the last item in the list, all of those are incredibly classless. All of the items in the list show an amazing amount of immaturity and selfishness. He was not the only person on the A&M football team and each of those actions could have and did have negative consequences on the team. As the leader of the team, he should have lead by example with class and humility and put the team ahead of himself. Rather, he risked sanctions against the team, risked criminal punishment that would prevent him from playing, and put his celebrity over his status as a teammate. Selfish, immature, and douchey.
 
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I can't recall hearing of a time a university did not allow an outgoing coach to address their team, he just took the money and ran. You would think if he changed his mind after telling his kids he was staying he would have been man enough to tell them ot their faces.

http://www.thecardinalconnect.com/2012/04/09/the-louisville-football-program-has-banned-local-tv-stations-from-coverin-the-team/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-louisville-football-program-has-banned-local-tv-stations-from-coverin-the-team

That is from a Louisville website that covers their athletics stating thier sources as the local reporters that it was geared to. Bleacher Report just ran with it.

Strong was told by other coaches *allegedly* that that was the reason he wasn't getting jobs. That =/= fact, and he used it as a reason to bring it up in the media to whine about it. That is playing the race card.

As for your Johnny assumptions...

Johnny broke up a fight between two people. He didn't "attack a black man" and was not charged with assault.

He did give a fake ID that he used at bars and plead guilty to that misdemeanor. Having a Fake ID in college is nothing.

He did not sign autographs for money. The NCAA even said there was no evidence he did so.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9609389/johnny-manziel-texas-aggies-suspended-1st-half-season-opener-rice-owls

I don't see how making gestures in response to opponents bringing the situation up in an attempt to get under his skin is relevent to anything.

Partying and drinking while underage when you are the BMOC is classless? You must have been TONS of fun in college


In summation, breaking up fights, responding to taunting, and partying in college makes you classless. Seems legit.
 
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Wow, a Texas fan and an A&M fan aren't getting along and can't even agree on basic facts? I'm shocked.
 
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1513072-texas-backup-qb-brewer-arrested-on-public-intoxication-fake-id-charges#articles/1513072-texas-backup-qb-brewer-arrested-on-public-intoxication-fake-id-charges

Freshman backup sip QB arrested for PI and fake ID.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls12/story/_/id/8787252/texas-longhorns-suspend-case-mccoy-jordan-hicks-valero-alamo-bowl

Sip QB sent home from bowl game for watching a teammate date rape a girl *allegedly*.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/big12/2013/02/02/texas-longhorns-assistant-coach-major-applewhite-student-trainer-bev-kearney-scandal/1886861/

Former sip QB and Offensive Coordinator Major Applewhite cheats on 9 month pregnant wife with student trainer. Athletic Department covers up the incident until they are sued for firing a black, lesbian, disabled coach for doing something similar and gets sued.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/6973905/texas-longhorns-cleve-bryant-was-fired-sexual-harassment
Mack's right hand man finally got "fired" for sexual harassment of multiple female staffers because of the Kearney lawsuit, and had a rep so bad he was called "Ol' Freak Nasty."

BUT, GUYS, C'MON, JOHNNY FOOTBALL HAD A FAKE ID AND PARTIED! BURN HIM!!!
 
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Originally posted by RayRay99
I can't recall hearing of a time a university did not allow an outgoing coach to address their team, he just took the money and ran. You would think if he changed his mind after telling his kids he was staying he would have been man enough to tell them ot their faces.

http://www.thecardinalconnect.com/2012/04/09/the-louisville-football-program-has-banned-local-tv-stations-from-coverin-the-team/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-louisville-football-program-has-banned-local-tv-stations-from-coverin-the-team

That is from a Louisville website that covers their athletics stating thier sources as the local reporters that it was geared to. Bleacher Report just ran with it.

Strong was told by other coaches *allegedly* that that was the reason he wasn't getting jobs. That =/= fact, and he used it as a reason to bring it up in the media to whine about it. That is playing the race card.

As for your Johnny assumptions...

Johnny broke up a fight between two people. He didn't "attack a black man" and was not charged with assault.

He did give a fake ID that he used at bars and plead guilty to that misdemeanor. Having a Fake ID in college is nothing.

He did not sign autographs for money. The NCAA even said there was no evidence he did so.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9609389/johnny-manziel-texas-aggies-suspended-1st-half-season-opener-rice-owls

I don't see how making gestures in response to opponents bringing the situation up in an attempt to get under his skin is relevent to anything.

Partying and drinking while underage when you are the BMOC is classless? You must have been TONS of fun in college


In summation, breaking up fights, responding to taunting, and partying in college makes you classless. Seems legit.


Again, that first news link is nothing but conjecture.

As for playing the race card, Strong isn't whining in that article. He was asked about an issue and responded. Your rhetoric here is laughable.

As for Johnny. The facts that came out regarding the confrontation were that he attacked the guy. That he wasn't charged for assault doesn't mean that he didn't attack the guy.

Similarly, that the NCAA didn't charge Manziel for getting paid for the autographs does not mean that he didn't do it. The lack of a charge was due to the weakness of NCAA enforcement, not a lack of evidence. Much like you have your head in the sand regarding the racism faced by black coaches, you have your head in the sand here.

Breaking up fights and partying doesn't make a person classless. Defending a racist friend, responding to taunts in the matter he did, and partying like he did when he was supposed to be the leader of his team were classes, selfish, and douchey actions.

Originally posted by RayRay99
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1513072-texas-backup-qb-brewer-arrested-on-public-intoxication-fake-id-charges#articles/1513072-texas-backup-qb-brewer-arrested-on-public-intoxication-fake-id-charges

Freshman backup sip QB arrested for PI and fake ID.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls12/story/_/id/8787252/texas-longhorns-suspend-case-mccoy-jordan-hicks-valero-alamo-bowl

Sip QB sent home from bowl game for watching a teammate date rape a girl *allegedly*.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/big12/2013/02/02/texas-longhorns-assistant-coach-major-applewhite-student-trainer-bev-kearney-scandal/1886861/

Former sip QB and Offensive Coordinator Major Applewhite cheats on 9 month pregnant wife with student trainer. Athletic Department covers up the incident until they are sued for firing a black, lesbian, disabled coach for doing something similar and gets sued.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/6973905/texas-longhorns-cleve-bryant-was-fired-sexual-harassment
Mack's right hand man finally got "fired" for sexual harassment of multiple female staffers because of the Kearney lawsuit, and had a rep so bad he was called "Ol' Freak Nasty."

BUT, GUYS, C'MON, JOHNNY FOOTBALL HAD A FAKE ID AND PARTIED! BURN HIM!!!


That backup QB was forced off the team as a result of the PI and fake ID. How many games did Johnny miss? Zero?

Again, Case McCoy was suspended (as well as Hicks) during the bowl game. Those suspensions were enacted completely based on allegations, not proof or facts, and charges were never filed. Unlike Manziel's case where it is known he was in a fight, this case was only ever based on allegations, not proof. And it really is a good case to show how UT is morally superior to A&M. UT suspends two players based solely on allegations. A&M doesn't suspend a player when it is proven that he got into a fight and presented a fake ID.

You should really get your facts straight about Major Applewhite. There was no cover up. The AD followed all required procedures when it punished Major. And no Longhorn is going to tell you that they didn't lose a lot of respect for Major when the news came out. That's the difference between Longhorns and aggies. We will admit it when one of our own does something we view as wrong. An aggie will defend their own regardless of the hypocrisy.

Finally, Cleve Bryant was terminated well before the Kearney situation came to light. Allegations were made, they were apparently found to be credible, and he was gone. You need to get your facts straight.

All you've done here is list out a number of events where person from UT did wrong or was accused of doing wrong and UT responded appropriately. It contrasts greatly with the lack of action taken by A&M and the hypocrisy that aggies live with on a daily basis.
 
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Originally posted by Novus
Wow, a Texas fan and an A&M fan aren't getting along and can't even agree on basic facts? I'm shocked.
 
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Originally posted by Novus
Wow, a Texas fan and an A&M fan aren't getting along and can't even agree on basic facts? I'm shocked.


Originally posted by Novus
Originally posted by Novus

Wow, a Texas fan and an A&M fan aren't getting along and can't even agree on basic facts? I'm shocked.


 
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Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
That backup QB was forced off the team as a result of the PI and fake ID. How many games did Johnny miss? Zero?

Again, Case McCoy was suspended (as well as Hicks) during the bowl game. Those suspensions were enacted completely based on allegations, not proof or facts, and charges were never filed. Unlike Manziel's case where it is known he was in a fight, this case was only ever based on allegations, not proof. And it really is a good case to show how UT is morally superior to A&M. UT suspends two players based solely on allegations. A&M doesn't suspend a player when it is proven that he got into a fight and presented a fake ID.

You should really get your facts straight about Major Applewhite. There was no cover up. The AD followed all required procedures when it punished Major. And no Longhorn is going to tell you that they didn't lose a lot of respect for Major when the news came out. That's the difference between Longhorns and aggies. We will admit it when one of our own does something we view as wrong. An aggie will defend their own regardless of the hypocrisy.

Finally, Cleve Bryant was terminated well before the Kearney situation came to light. Allegations were made, they were apparently found to be credible, and he was gone. You need to get your facts straight.

All you've done here is list out a number of events where person from UT did wrong or was accused of doing wrong and UT responded appropriately. It contrasts greatly with the lack of action taken by A&M and the hypocrisy that aggies live with on a daily basis.


Brewer transferred because your braintrust in Austin felt Tyrone Swoopes was ahead of him. Which is funny since Gilbert, Wood, and Brewer were all better than any QB y'all have had on the roster since then.

Johnny broke up a fight and got attacked and defended himself. McCoy and Hicks were suspended for 1 bowl game for alleged rape. You say that there were merely allegations against them, but in reality it was lack fo evidence, because it was essentially her word against theirs. Yet, it was all allegations with no proof about Johnny accepting money for autographs, but you run with that shit like it is the gospel truth. Try being a little more consistent.

There wasn't a cover up for Major? His "penalty" was not getting a raise for 11 months, which was made up for later when he was promoted. They never told their BoR about the scandal until 4 years later when Kearney filed her lawsuit and it would have come out anyway. I guess "admitting it" means sweeping it under the rug for 4 years until another scandal hits and forces your hand.

Cleve Bryant was finally fired when a staffer filed a lawsuit. He was known as Ol' Freak Nasty because of the way he treated staffers before that one, but nothing was done until, again, their hand was forced because of a lawsuit.

Texas only responded to things when they were forced to, so your righteous indignation is laughable.
 
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Originally posted by Chip Brown

Interesting times in University of Texas athletics.

There are four major fund-raising projects being talked about by Steve Patterson:

* $15 million for a new tennis stadium/facility because the current one (Penick-Allison) is being demolished June 1 to make room for construction of UT's new medical school.

* $250 million for renovation of the south end of DKR and additional premium seating throughout the stadium.

* $350 million to endow all the athletic scholarships at Texas

* $450 million to replace the Erwin Center in roughly 5 years, because it too will be demolished to make room for the UT medical school. (The pricetag on a new arena is so steep most believe it will end up a public-private partnership involving the city and county.)

The No. 1 priority on that list is the $15 million for a new tennis center. It will take a year to build. So the current plan is to resurface 10 courts at the school's intramural tennis facility at 51st and Lamar, have the men's and women's teams play there for one year (2014-15) and then have a state-of-the-art tennis facility that could host major tournaments - pro and college - including the NCAA Championships.

Here's the problem: Less than 1 percent has been raised for the new tennis facility. And sources say ground won't be broken on the new facility until at least $10 million has been raised.

If that $10 million isn't raised by July, the one-year build out would extend into the 2015-16 school year and could keep the tennis programs at Texas, the highest revenue-producing athletic department in the country, on 10 resurfaced courts at UT's intramural facility.

The bottom line is Steve Patterson and the Longhorn Foundation is either getting almost no response to their fund-raising efforts or isn't trying nearly hard enough.

Patterson hasn't returned numerous calls, texts or emails from me to talk about an array of subjects and his communications director Nick Voinis has repeatedly ignored/rejected my attempts to get Patterson on the radio.

Sources say Patterson has alienated some big-money donors because of his lone ranger work style. Those sources say the only thing that could change the minds of donors going forward would be Charlie Strong winning big in football.

No pressure Charlie.


Poooooooooooooor sips, all that money and their teams are going to play on intermural courts
 
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DIE THREAD, DIE!!!
 
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Originally posted by AC
DIE THREAD, DIE!!!


Think we can turn this into a political debate thread somehow in order to get it locked? The 5-day ban would be worth it, IMO.
 
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Great idea. Start it and I'll report you right away.
 
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OBUMMA IS AN AGGIE.
 
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Originally posted by Novus
OBUMMA IS AN AGGIE.


He might be an Aggie, but he's not a natural born citizen.
 
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Is he white or black? Here he is with his mother and grandfather... you go "Brother."

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e5/Ann_Dunham_with_father_and_children_%28enhanced%29.jpg/220px-Ann_Dunham_with_father_and_children_%28enhanced%29.jpg
 
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