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I made sure I was within the rules when I released everyone. I asked bort specifically when I was handing the team over if I could release everyone. He said "Yes, as long as you don't take all the money too."

So we all must be released and be sent separate ways. I had to intention to harm so why should we be punished or banned for doing it?

Originally posted by mgse
Originally posted by Lef Grebo

Boosting is clearly within the mechanics of the game. That is a strategy decision. Do you save all your player boosts for the end of the season, super charging your teams it enters the playoffs, of do you take them early and get a jump on the season, or do you space them out. None of those decsion has the potential of wrecking the integrity of not one byt 2 leagues. What happened to the teams involved in this transaction surely does have that potential.

Those levels being boosted already exist on those teams. They are a known quantity.

Gutting a team while colluding with another team owner to move those players down 4 levels in order to make a struggleing team one of the better teams is another issue.

This situation calls into question ethical standards of behavior, while choosing when to boost is a matter of strategy. Gutting is stated as being behaviour not acceptable by the almighty bort. Boosting clearly is not. And while this transaction may have found a loophole, it still brings up those ethical questions.


From my view, AlCapown signed FAs which is also within the mechanics of the game. While these FAs were from a gutted team, they were friends/acquaintances and were most likely going to the same place anyway.

Those players were free to sign with any team they choose. Could have been another AAA team or a BBB team as they did. There is nothing within the game preventing that. Should there be? I honestly don't know. If someone signs 10 high level players individually, should they be punished? Or is that acceptable?

Without a full history of PMs, can't say for sure how it went down. But my belief that the only person who could be held accountable for this is Mamba81 for how he handled the Phoenix Mambas.

Again this analysis is fatally flawed because you fail to take into account one vital detail: 'Collusion' - Two or more people working together to build up one team at the expense of another. This is taken from Bort's own post. It is against the rules. If mamba had released the players without thought to where they ended up and left it at that he would not be at fault of anything. If Al had been searching the forums and came across one of the ten dropped players asking for work and had signed them as is the normal FA process then there would have been no harm in that. The problem is that this was an orchestrated agreement to move all ten players at once from one team to another clearly at the expense of the original team and accomplished not by a simple FA signing as you suggest but instead by circumventing the trade balance rules. If Al had traded players and cash for those ten to a degree that the sims trade balancer would have allowed it to happen I for one would probably raise an eyebrow but not cry cheating. In point of fact such a trade most likely wasnt possible because cheattanooga did not have the means to make the trade balancer happy for that number of high level players. is this making more sense to you? i hope i am not wasting my fingers here.

Originally posted by General Terms
The problem is that this was an orchestrated agreement to move all ten players at once from one team to another clearly at the expense of the original team and accomplished not by a simple FA signing as you suggest but instead by circumventing the trade balance rules.

Where is the proof that there was an orchestrated agreement?

We know the players were going to be released and we know that a bunch of friends joined the same team. But where is the part about AlCapown being the criminal mastermind?

BTW, couldn't help that last one given his name

Originally posted by Mamba81
I made sure I was within the rules when I released everyone. I asked bort specifically when I was handing the team over if I could release everyone. He said "Yes, as long as you don't take all the money too."

So we all must be released and be sent separate ways. I had to intention to harm so why should we be punished or banned for doing it?

you have made this argument several times. but did you also tell bort that it was everyone's intention that yours and the other players would be immediately signed to a different team? did he specifically say to you, 'sure it is OK to not trade the players to another team but instead commit the drop and sign of a third of your roster like you did? I sincerely hope he did not approve such a thing. please stop trying to excuse your behavior by trying to make us believe Bort gave you permission. I reiterate my suspicion that you are aware that this was not the innocent mistake that you are presenting but in fact a knowing attempt to get around the rules.

am i typing in white text or something?

cant you read what im saying?

if this kind of thing is allowed it will corrupt fair play permanently

if i were going to keep playing the game i would scour the higher leagues for horribly crappy teams and court their owners, promising to get all his friends on my team starting jobs so we can crush everybody in our league and get the little trophy on our profile

of course this would only work for a season because then everybody would get wise and start doing the same thing

that is sooo not the kind of league i want to play in

Originally posted by mgse
Originally posted by General Terms

The problem is that this was an orchestrated agreement to move all ten players at once from one team to another clearly at the expense of the original team and accomplished not by a simple FA signing as you suggest but instead by circumventing the trade balance rules.

Where is the proof that there was an orchestrated agreement?

We know the players were going to be released and we know that a bunch of friends joined the same team. But where is the part about AlCapown being the criminal mastermind?

BTW, couldn't help that last one given his name


for the proof that this was orchestrated all you have to do is start back at like page 28. if you read both al and mamba's posts they openly admit that they pm'd each other and came to an agreement. they further admit that emails were sent between the parties(owners and players) in question in order to plan the action. further proof is admittedly circumstantial while nevertheless potent - ten free agent players with multiple owners dont accidently arrive on the same team on the same day immediately after their collective release from their previous team if the natural free agent process as the sim intends it is being followed. again see Bort's collusion definition. Oh and that criminal mastermind thing was clever.

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FIFTEEN LEVEL THIRTY GOAL LINE BLITZ PLAYERS JUST IN TIME FOR THE PLAY OFFS!!

Originally posted by General Terms
FIFTEEN LEVEL THIRTY GOAL LINE BLITZ PLAYERS JUST IN TIME FOR THE PLAY OFFS!!

Exaggeration FTW!


Originally posted by General Terms
for the proof that this was orchestrated all you have to do is start back at like page 28. if you read both al and mamba's posts they openly admit that they pm'd each other and came to an agreement.

Of course they PM'd each other. Mamba81 put a post up saying he was looking for offers. Boatloads of people sent him PMs, he decided to join Chattanooga. He then spread the word amongst his friends and they decided to join too.

Again, where is AlCapown involved in the conspiracy? He signed players who were interested in his team. Oh the horror!

BTW there is a whole thread with 65 pages started by Bort concerning the issue of Collusion/gutting.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=175644&page=1

I think people should spend some time going through that.

I think you guys should leave. There's no need for the bans, due to the fact that there is an immense amount of confusion, but I'll tell you one thing: as long as this continues, this thread will continue, and you'll be accused for the remainder of your time in this league. Thats just how it is.

Originally posted by mgse
Originally posted by General Terms

FIFTEEN LEVEL THIRTY GOAL LINE BLITZ PLAYERS JUST IN TIME FOR THE PLAY OFFS!!

Exaggeration FTW!


Originally posted by General Terms

for the proof that this was orchestrated all you have to do is start back at like page 28. if you read both al and mamba's posts they openly admit that they pm'd each other and came to an agreement.

Of course they PM'd each other. Mamba81 put a post up saying he was looking for offers. Boatloads of people sent him PMs, he decided to join Chattanooga. He then spread the word amongst his friends and they decided to join too.

Again, where is AlCapown involved in the conspiracy? He signed players who were interested in his team. Oh the horror!

you know i think the details and the leagues problem with the entire scenario has been explained ad naseum. i cannot believe that at this point you cant at the very least acknowledge that others have a right to feel they have been grieved. only an imbecile couldnt at least see, even if they dont agree, why this whole thing would PO people and you seem to cool for me to call an imbecile. so instead i will implore you to stop drinking the kool aid before someone questions your own integrity.

Originally posted by General Terms
you know i think the details and the leagues problem with the entire scenario has been explained ad naseum. i cannot believe that at this point you cant at the very least acknowledge that others have a right to feel they have been grieved. only an imbecile couldnt at least see, even if they dont agree, why this whole thing would PO people and you seem to cool for me to call an imbecile. so instead i will implore you to stop drinking the kool aid before someone questions your own integrity.

You obviously haven't read my previous posts and just want to whine like a sissy. Carry on.

Well, THIS thread went to poop, didn't it..?

I'm leaving, I'm sure the rest of my friends will too. We will not sign for the same teams, I am going to sign with a pro league team.

I just want all this to end so my reputation can stop being dragged through the mud.

Thank you to those that discussed respectively.

Cheers,

-Mamba

Originally posted by Mamba81
I made sure I was within the rules when I released everyone. I asked bort specifically when I was handing the team over if I could release everyone. He said "Yes, as long as you don't take all the money too."

So we all must be released and be sent separate ways. I had to intention to harm so why should we be punished or banned for doing it?

If your whole group still wanted to stick together then you should have all stayed with the original team. And if you truely are too busy now and didn't have or want to continue to own the team you should have:
A - picked some of your buddies or someone else on the team to be GM's and run the team.
B - Sold the team to a new owner and all of you stayed with that team in that context.

If you just wanted to be together then why move?
If your getting your butt creamed up there, then remember the last place team will be moved down a level. And all teams have growing pains and cannot expect to win right away. Just keep working hard and if all your buddies and you are active, then your team would have eventually turned around anyway.