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Originally posted by RiderzFan22
Originally posted by Lef Grebo

Mamba,

you need to decide what you need to do to make things right. If you ask the owners of this league you are likely going to get 16 different answers. This is a matter of ethics, and you need to decide what is and is not ethical. Clearly the majority of the ownbers/players in this league think that is was not ethical. You know that clearly. Now you just nbeed to decide if you think it was ethical and act accordingly. There will be fallout whatever you do.

Sometimes there is no clear good or evil, there is just the decisions we make and the consequences that follow.

lol isnt that last line of yours from SpiderMan? lol just joking around

Actually it is from a series of novels and video games called The Witcher. I always thought it was pretty profound though.

Originally posted by Billsman
Originally posted by mgse

Originally posted by Billsman


So there's nothing wrong with stacking a team just before the playoffs? Wow.

What about when an entire team boosts right before the playoffs? How do you feel about that?

Never encountered that so I don't know. Can you tell me more about it? This is my first season even though I signed up last season but never played.

I ran the numbers and if you start out as a level 1 player and do not boost until the end of the season, you will gain approximately 1700 more exp than a player who boosts at the very beginning.

This is magnified if you play teams whose players do not boost at all.

I'm not sure what the average is, but say we have team A which has some players boost, some do not. And when they boost is random. If we take team B who has all their players boost right at the end, they can have a 1 - 4+ level advantage on team A.

Check out the Las Vegas Super Bears in Oceania A. I think they may have boosted at the beginning of the season, so they don't necessarily apply to this. Vexxet (good guy btw) is the team owner and also owns most of the players. So he boosts everyone. Combine that with him knowing how to properly build a player results in his team kicking some serious ass.

Point being, there are going to be inequalities no matter what. The idea of the pyramid system is that things will even out and good teams with boosters will be on top, mediocre teams will be on the bottom.

Of course, thats the idealist view. The real result is that best teams will rise while decent teams will flip between BBB and A. There will always be crappy teams with no real hope of winning. A gutted team is all but screwed now. Whats going to happen in 3 - 4 seasons when a team is gutted in a BBB league.

While I know the creators don't like the cyberdunk model where CPUs own a lot of teams and humans can take them. I think creating more and more leagues (or divisions in CD) is about the only way you can do it. Nobody wants to take over a gutted, crappy team wiht no hope of competing. But the way things are setup, that will be what happens most of the team.

Ok, I'm off my soapbox

Originally posted by RiderzFan22
I believe they are refering to this thread Shacky http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=192828

this post only deals with mambas one player. this is not the post that mamba presented as being basically 'i offered all of these players on the free market'

Originally posted by mgse
Originally posted by Billsman

Originally posted by mgse


DigitalDaggers (admin) response can be seen in

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=243129&page=3

Pretty vague, sorry.

From the way I interpreted it, DigitalDaggers doesn't believe you can punish AlCapown for trying to make his team better.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

i think he is referring to the new owner of the gutted team, not alcapown. he if is referring to alcapown and is fully aware of the totality of the circumstances then DD is saying its OK to improve your team by whatever means necessary. if this is the case then I am CERTAINLY not sending DD or Bort another nickel.

Originally posted by mgse
Originally posted by General Terms

i hope the involved players owners get banned as well.

For signing a FA contract? What the hell can a player do in that case? If he was dropped from a team then offered a contract? Retire his player?

Sorry, but you lost me on this one.



by signing the free agent contract they were a willing participant in circumventing the trade balance rules that would have otherwise blocked the players movement. hence my suggesting the player ban.

Originally posted by Lef Grebo
Boosting is clearly within the mechanics of the game. That is a strategy decision. Do you save all your player boosts for the end of the season, super charging your teams it enters the playoffs, of do you take them early and get a jump on the season, or do you space them out. None of those decsion has the potential of wrecking the integrity of not one byt 2 leagues. What happened to the teams involved in this transaction surely does have that potential.

Those levels being boosted already exist on those teams. They are a known quantity.

Gutting a team while colluding with another team owner to move those players down 4 levels in order to make a struggleing team one of the better teams is another issue.

This situation calls into question ethical standards of behavior, while choosing when to boost is a matter of strategy. Gutting is stated as being behaviour not acceptable by the almighty bort. Boosting clearly is not. And while this transaction may have found a loophole, it still brings up those ethical questions.


From my view, AlCapown signed FAs which is also within the mechanics of the game. While these FAs were from a gutted team, they were friends/acquaintances and were most likely going to the same place anyway.

Those players were free to sign with any team they choose. Could have been another AAA team or a BBB team as they did. There is nothing within the game preventing that. Should there be? I honestly don't know. If someone signs 10 high level players individually, should they be punished? Or is that acceptable?

Without a full history of PMs, can't say for sure how it went down. But my belief that the only person who could be held accountable for this is Mamba81 for how he handled the Phoenix Mambas.

Originally posted by General Terms
by signing the free agent contract they were a willing participant in circumventing the trade balance rules that would have otherwise blocked the players movement. hence my suggesting the player ban.

Again, I ask what else should they do?

If signing a FA contract is circumventing the trade balance rules, the only alternatives I can come up with is to retire the player or to wait out the former contract before putting themselves up for FA again. Both are ridiculous.

Originally posted by RiderzFan22
General Terms.I was not part of this whole ordeal, I signed on a couple days before the season bagan. I was saying i was one of the players replaced.

OIC. Thanks for the clarification. I therefore retract any insinuation either expressed or implied that you were a part of the collusion. I apologize for whatever emotional distress I may have inadvertently caused. I further apologize that your reputation will be tarnished for having played for the Cheattanoogga Spanish Para-Olympians.

Originally posted by Yard Dog
I'll sign all 10 of you guys! ;-) J/K. I don't think all of you leaving is the answer...

ROFL I hope you do too yard dog.

Wow Classy...

Originally posted by General Terms

if he is referring to alcapown and is fully aware of the totality of the circumstances then DD is saying its OK to improve your team by whatever means necessary. if this is the case then I am CERTAINLY not sending DD or Bort another nickel.
exactly

and the co-GM of the Rangers is also in agreement that if thats the way they are going to run their leagues then he has no interest either

right now GLB has so many people pouring in they are a) probably overwhelmed, and b) think it will last forever

but if they keep approving these kinds of moves they will see their membership crumble fast. thats because the connivers and con artists will flourish, good ethical owners and GMs like me will vanish, and the rank and file players will be left to fend for themselves. it may work for a short time until the bulk of people realize how bad that will suck ass and suddenly three quarters of the players will go inactive

if all that happens i will of course be long gone by then. i would then check back maybe once a season to see if they had learned their lesson and turned it around. by then would have scrambled to overhaul their game philosophy and probably turned it into the sportsmanlike kind of system i would be interested in playing in

tic toc

Originally posted by Similar
i dont see anything wrong with what happened
its not Al's fault that he ran across a highly organized group of friends

and by the way... i was one of those that was replaced

of course you would say this because you want to win games. as far as it not being al's fault you act as though he was walking down the street and a bag of money fell from the sky in front of him. this was orchestrated between he, mamba, and the "highly organized group of friends". it had to be for it to work. by the definitions posted above many times that is collusion.

After thinking about it for a bit maybe Mamba and the others should leave. they are nice guys and everything but if thats the only thing that is going to end this, maybe they should go.

He definitely should not be banned however. It was unintentional and it would not be fair.

Originally posted by Mamba81
Then what is the answer? We will all be going to seperate directions and Al's team will stay how it was before it all happened.

I think that is a good start.

However instead of separate directions it should be one way back onto the new owner of your former team so that he isnt saddled with a junk heap for seasons to come. a team like that cant compete, and an uncompetative team will be extremely difficult for him to recruit to. he is destined for a downward slide from aaa to bbb. can you make it right for that guy? even if you can create a no harm no foul situation, i dont know how you can deter others from colluding if you dont have some kind of punitive action here.

Originally posted by mgse
Originally posted by Billsman

So there's nothing wrong with stacking a team just before the playoffs? Wow.

What about when an entire team boosts right before the playoffs? How do you feel about that?

i suppose i can see how you make the comparison. however here is where pre-playoff boosting is different. it is allowed by the rules where as collusion is not and EVERYONE HAS AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY TO BOOST. to look at it another way some people put more effort into GLB than others, in some cases that effort is evidenced by their willingness to put money into the game. after what has happened here i cannot say i will be putting forth that kind of effort any longer.