My mistake, Sorry Yard Dog. Seems your the only one defending us pretty much 
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Ya know, this brings me back to somthing I always believed about online games. It is a little off-topic but germain. The only real currency that matters is ones repututatin online. And while it iseasy enough to change personas, a bad reputations follows you. Right now Mambas, alcpwn's and the chatanoga team name is taking a hit to thier reputations. It seems like Mamba is will to do something to fix that for himself, and the team. On the other side, I am sure an us v. them dynamic is forming within the chatanooga team, and alot of those players are going to bond together, which will be good for thier long term development.
Also, right now mgse looks to be getting a huge boost in his reputation, taking an ethical stand on this as he is.
I look forward to seeing how this plays out in the next few days.
Also, right now mgse looks to be getting a huge boost in his reputation, taking an ethical stand on this as he is.
I look forward to seeing how this plays out in the next few days.
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Originally posted by Billsman
So there's nothing wrong with stacking a team just before the playoffs? Wow.
What about when an entire team boosts right before the playoffs? How do you feel about that?
So there's nothing wrong with stacking a team just before the playoffs? Wow.
What about when an entire team boosts right before the playoffs? How do you feel about that?
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Originally posted by Mamba81
Then what is the answer? We will all be going to seperate directions and Al's team will stay how it was before it all happened.
I say we wait and see what the admins say.
Then what is the answer? We will all be going to seperate directions and Al's team will stay how it was before it all happened.
I say we wait and see what the admins say.
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Originally posted by Mamba81
Alright clearly all of us need to be released as soon as possible. I'll make sure it happens.
Cheers,
-Mamba
I think that is the only answer at this point. I really don't want anyone kicked off here, just do the right thing.
Alright clearly all of us need to be released as soon as possible. I'll make sure it happens.
Cheers,
-Mamba
I think that is the only answer at this point. I really don't want anyone kicked off here, just do the right thing.
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Originally posted by Billsman
Originally posted by Mamba81
Like I said, I cleared the release of players with Bort before I sold and before I knew they were going where I was.
Message other owners in the league and get their feelings, clearly we may have to reverse this asap, but we can hold out.
Bort told me I could release the players as long as I didin't gut the team of money, which I didn't.
But you do see that something is wrong doing it like you guys did, right? Why not send 10 AAA guys to the D league and really clean house?
I wouldnt have cared a bit if they sent them to the D league. Those are bots on those teams and dont matter. That is what they should have done until more appropriate homes could have been found for their players. However, something that has not been adequetely explained is, why did the players not just stay on the team they were on with the new owner if what they wanted was to play together? I saw some mention about them getting smoked in AAA, wanting an easier playing field, or wanting wins. However, those wants could have been solved by signing onto a AA team, not dropping four league levels. Furthermore if what they wanted was wins why did they sign on with a basement dwelling team like Cheattanooga? That makes no sense.
Originally posted by Mamba81
Like I said, I cleared the release of players with Bort before I sold and before I knew they were going where I was.
Message other owners in the league and get their feelings, clearly we may have to reverse this asap, but we can hold out.
Bort told me I could release the players as long as I didin't gut the team of money, which I didn't.
But you do see that something is wrong doing it like you guys did, right? Why not send 10 AAA guys to the D league and really clean house?
I wouldnt have cared a bit if they sent them to the D league. Those are bots on those teams and dont matter. That is what they should have done until more appropriate homes could have been found for their players. However, something that has not been adequetely explained is, why did the players not just stay on the team they were on with the new owner if what they wanted was to play together? I saw some mention about them getting smoked in AAA, wanting an easier playing field, or wanting wins. However, those wants could have been solved by signing onto a AA team, not dropping four league levels. Furthermore if what they wanted was wins why did they sign on with a basement dwelling team like Cheattanooga? That makes no sense.
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Originally posted by mgse
Originally posted by Billsman
So there's nothing wrong with stacking a team just before the playoffs? Wow.
What about when an entire team boosts right before the playoffs? How do you feel about that?
Never encountered that so I don't know. Can you tell me more about it? This is my first season even though I signed up last season but never played.
Originally posted by Billsman
So there's nothing wrong with stacking a team just before the playoffs? Wow.
What about when an entire team boosts right before the playoffs? How do you feel about that?
Never encountered that so I don't know. Can you tell me more about it? This is my first season even though I signed up last season but never played.
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Originally posted by General Terms
Originally posted by Billsman
Originally posted by Mamba81
Like I said, I cleared the release of players with Bort before I sold and before I knew they were going where I was.
Message other owners in the league and get their feelings, clearly we may have to reverse this asap, but we can hold out.
Bort told me I could release the players as long as I didin't gut the team of money, which I didn't.
But you do see that something is wrong doing it like you guys did, right? Why not send 10 AAA guys to the D league and really clean house?
I wouldnt have cared a bit if they sent them to the D league. Those are bots on those teams and dont matter. That is what they should have done until more appropriate homes could have been found for their players. However, something that has not been adequetely explained is, why did the players not just stay on the team they were on with the new owner if what they wanted was to play together? I saw some mention about them getting smoked in AAA, wanting an easier playing field, or wanting wins. However, those wants could have been solved by signing onto a AA team, not dropping four league levels. Furthermore if what they wanted was wins why did they sign on with a basement dwelling team like Cheattanooga? That makes no sense.
and... if their team is or was truly that bad they would more than likely be in a lower league next season. Why not wait it out with the new owner and build from within or by recruiting?
Originally posted by Billsman
Originally posted by Mamba81
Like I said, I cleared the release of players with Bort before I sold and before I knew they were going where I was.
Message other owners in the league and get their feelings, clearly we may have to reverse this asap, but we can hold out.
Bort told me I could release the players as long as I didin't gut the team of money, which I didn't.
But you do see that something is wrong doing it like you guys did, right? Why not send 10 AAA guys to the D league and really clean house?
I wouldnt have cared a bit if they sent them to the D league. Those are bots on those teams and dont matter. That is what they should have done until more appropriate homes could have been found for their players. However, something that has not been adequetely explained is, why did the players not just stay on the team they were on with the new owner if what they wanted was to play together? I saw some mention about them getting smoked in AAA, wanting an easier playing field, or wanting wins. However, those wants could have been solved by signing onto a AA team, not dropping four league levels. Furthermore if what they wanted was wins why did they sign on with a basement dwelling team like Cheattanooga? That makes no sense.
and... if their team is or was truly that bad they would more than likely be in a lower league next season. Why not wait it out with the new owner and build from within or by recruiting?
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Mamba,
you need to decide what you need to do to make things right. If you ask the owners of this league you are likely going to get 16 different answers. This is a matter of ethics, and you need to decide what is and is not ethical. Clearly the majority of the ownbers/players in this league think that is was not ethical. You know that clearly. Now you just nbeed to decide if you think it was ethical and act accordingly. There will be fallout whatever you do.
Sometimes there is no clear good or evil, there is just the decisions we make and the consequences that follow.
you need to decide what you need to do to make things right. If you ask the owners of this league you are likely going to get 16 different answers. This is a matter of ethics, and you need to decide what is and is not ethical. Clearly the majority of the ownbers/players in this league think that is was not ethical. You know that clearly. Now you just nbeed to decide if you think it was ethical and act accordingly. There will be fallout whatever you do.
Sometimes there is no clear good or evil, there is just the decisions we make and the consequences that follow.
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Originally posted by Lef Grebo
Mamba,
you need to decide what you need to do to make things right. If you ask the owners of this league you are likely going to get 16 different answers. This is a matter of ethics, and you need to decide what is and is not ethical. Clearly the majority of the ownbers/players in this league think that is was not ethical. You know that clearly. Now you just nbeed to decide if you think it was ethical and act accordingly. There will be fallout whatever you do.
Sometimes there is no clear good or evil, there is just the decisions we make and the consequences that follow.
lol isnt that last line of yours from SpiderMan? lol just joking around
Mamba,
you need to decide what you need to do to make things right. If you ask the owners of this league you are likely going to get 16 different answers. This is a matter of ethics, and you need to decide what is and is not ethical. Clearly the majority of the ownbers/players in this league think that is was not ethical. You know that clearly. Now you just nbeed to decide if you think it was ethical and act accordingly. There will be fallout whatever you do.
Sometimes there is no clear good or evil, there is just the decisions we make and the consequences that follow.
lol isnt that last line of yours from SpiderMan?
lol just joking aroundmeathead013
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Originally posted by Yard Dog
I'll sign all 10 of you guys! ;-) J/K. I don't think all of you leaving is the answer...
lmao
i dont necessarily think its the solution either, it seems like shutting the barn door. those players are just going to go someplace else. it should have not been allowed in the first place
i will say it again - if you allow this kind of thing to be standard practice you might as well just throw team development right out the window. spend all your time trying to convince people on bad teams, preferrable their owner (!), to just get cut so they can all go to one lower level team and crush everybody
then i dont even care if you apply your points right - you dont have to because you just added ten level 15 guys to a level 10 average league! youre guaranteed to crush everybody
or at least until the team next to you finds another owner on a bad team and they purge/binge like you did
so the entire league is forced to turn into a purge/binge system just to compete
woo hoo that sounds like a ton of fun
I'll sign all 10 of you guys! ;-) J/K. I don't think all of you leaving is the answer...
lmao
i dont necessarily think its the solution either, it seems like shutting the barn door. those players are just going to go someplace else. it should have not been allowed in the first place
i will say it again - if you allow this kind of thing to be standard practice you might as well just throw team development right out the window. spend all your time trying to convince people on bad teams, preferrable their owner (!), to just get cut so they can all go to one lower level team and crush everybody
then i dont even care if you apply your points right - you dont have to because you just added ten level 15 guys to a level 10 average league! youre guaranteed to crush everybody
or at least until the team next to you finds another owner on a bad team and they purge/binge like you did
so the entire league is forced to turn into a purge/binge system just to compete
woo hoo that sounds like a ton of fun
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Boosting is clearly within the mechanics of the game. That is a strategy decision. Do you save all your player boosts for the end of the season, super charging your teams it enters the playoffs, of do you take them early and get a jump on the season, or do you space them out. None of those decsion has the potential of wrecking the integrity of not one byt 2 leagues. What happened to the teams involved in this transaction surely does have that potential.
Those levels being boosted already exist on those teams. They are a known quantity.
Gutting a team while colluding with another team owner to move those players down 4 levels in order to make a struggleing team one of the better teams is another issue.
This situation calls into question ethical standards of behavior, while choosing when to boost is a matter of strategy. Gutting is stated as being behaviour not acceptable by the almighty bort. Boosting clearly is not. And while this transaction may have found a loophole, it still brings up those ethical questions.
Those levels being boosted already exist on those teams. They are a known quantity.
Gutting a team while colluding with another team owner to move those players down 4 levels in order to make a struggleing team one of the better teams is another issue.
This situation calls into question ethical standards of behavior, while choosing when to boost is a matter of strategy. Gutting is stated as being behaviour not acceptable by the almighty bort. Boosting clearly is not. And while this transaction may have found a loophole, it still brings up those ethical questions.
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Originally posted by shacky21
Originally posted by mgse
DigitalDaggers (admin) response can be seen in
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=243129&page=3
that tells us nothing. doesn't say they've investigated, doesn't say they are working to prevent this type of stuff, doesn't say they are not. This type of response only insults those who actually are trying to build a team the 'right' way and help grow this game and prevent cheating.
yes i was not happy with the response. basically he states 'too bad, so sad' for the new owner of the gutted team. no mention was made of the two who colluded in the first place. i for one will not be spending another penny on a game that tolerates these kinds of abuses.
Originally posted by mgse
DigitalDaggers (admin) response can be seen in
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=243129&page=3
that tells us nothing. doesn't say they've investigated, doesn't say they are working to prevent this type of stuff, doesn't say they are not. This type of response only insults those who actually are trying to build a team the 'right' way and help grow this game and prevent cheating.
yes i was not happy with the response. basically he states 'too bad, so sad' for the new owner of the gutted team. no mention was made of the two who colluded in the first place. i for one will not be spending another penny on a game that tolerates these kinds of abuses.
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i just want somebody to come here, say no this is absolutely NOT how we intend teams to be run, and that some action will be taken to make sure it doesnt happen again. i would also probably ban mamba - sorry bud you may not have intended to do something unethical but you did. kinda like football sim manslaughter - you didnt mean it but somebody is still dead and you still gotta spend a year in jail
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