Warrior General Games

We scrimmage Michigan in the morning.

I did indeed piss in Bri's cheerios, and I don't bear a bit of ill will towards him for his response. It was pretty nice actually & I've got more respect for him for it. Just the mental image of him typing it makes me smile a bit.

Originally posted by hoax
that being said, we scrimmage michigan again in 2 days, and i bet they beat us. going to be very hard to put a team that good in an 0-3 hole.
I'm sure you're up to it.. wouldn't have asked to play you otherwise.

Originally posted by Sanderval
I'm sure you're up to it.. wouldn't have asked to play you otherwise.

We certainly were. Did you forget this morning's game, or were you trying something out?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=127325

Was trying something(s), but that doesn't make the results any less relevant.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=127325&pbp_id=6436718

Well, learned that our #5 WR is a deeper threat than your #5 CB? =)


I haven't gone over the results yet, but I'll share my observances with you so you can have another opinion on things.

That's probably true.. but thanks, that would be most appreciated.

Originally posted by Sanderval
Was trying something(s), but that doesn't make the results any less relevant.

i tell you what might make the results less relevant. bort's recent update seems to not be fully fixed yet, and there was some serious funkiness with michigan's bread&butter... the pitch play.

here are some examples from your scrim.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=127325&pbp_id=6434036
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=127325&pbp_id=6435427 still a good gain, but this seems like a really shallow angle compared to what they used to be, and if he had made it to the outside, there looked to be a little bit more room
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=127325&pbp_id=6436981
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=127325&pbp_id=6438922 I don't remember this ever happening on a pitch before, but I admittedly don't watch That closely, as i usually pay much more attention to how the oline is doing.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=127325&pbp_id=6439164
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=127325&pbp_id=6439301 runs backwards to avoid defenders, but if he just took a wider line to begin with, there might have been room to make it to the outside.


and, while it's possible it's entirely luck/superior d matchups, the glutton has been tackled for a loss Five times all regular season, but four times in this game.

the cubes recently had a scrim against the voodoo, and the cubes usually avg about 237 yards/g passing vs the voodoo's 266. Both teams have typically strong rushing games, with the voodoo players averaging about 175/g and the cubes averaging about 221. But in the scrim (I know I know, very small sample set, lots of changed variables), the numbers were really wild. both rushing games were non-existant, as the cubes rushed for 23 and the voodoo 25. while both passing games were off the charts. c^3 passed for 430 yards and an intense 9.1 ypa. the voodoo were not far behind, putting up the uber respectable numbers of 322@8.3.

anyway, i'm rambling, but the point is, sanderval, given the current state of the game, you might want to reconsider being so pitch heavy.

Originally posted by Sanderval
Was trying something(s), but that doesn't make the results any less relevant.

The results, no. But my evaluation of our defensive performance, yes.

pitch is the worse play in GLB!

Originally posted by Melancholy

i tell you what might make the results less relevant. bort's recent update seems to not be fully fixed yet, and there was some serious funkiness with michigan's bread&butter... the pitch play.
Yeah, cause it couldn't be my defensive gameplan.

Originally posted by melancholy

and, while it's possible it's entirely luck/superior d matchups, the glutton has been tackled for a loss Five times all regular season, but four times in this game.

This would be the first time the glutton has played against my D.


Look, melancholy. Your analysis isn't bad, but you've made an assumption to explain why Michigan's pitch didn't work. It's a bad assumption, and it's throwing you off. You're just going to have to trust me. I game-planned those pitches. What you saw, is what happens when you pitch against a team expecting the pitch. It's just that simple.

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I almost forgot. I want to give a big shout out to KJ, my assistant DC, who scouted Michigan Panthers for me.

Originally posted by NOLE N TN
pitch is the worse play in GLB!
Especially in the West conference where most of the teams have figured out how to defend the pitch. Another reason why the West is such a bitch to win.

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By the way, to the best of my knowledge, The Shimmy was the first to show a pitch defense of substance. Trying to duplicate his pitch defense took me about 6 league games, but I finally got it.

Originally posted by JerryStegmaier
Originally posted by Melancholy


i tell you what might make the results less relevant. bort's recent update seems to not be fully fixed yet, and there was some serious funkiness with michigan's bread&butter... the pitch play.
Yeah, cause it couldn't be my defensive gameplan.

Originally posted by melancholy


and, while it's possible it's entirely luck/superior d matchups, the glutton has been tackled for a loss Five times all regular season, but four times in this game.

This would be the first time the glutton has played against my D.


Look, melancholy. Your analysis isn't bad, but you've made an assumption to explain why Michigan's pitch didn't work. It's a bad assumption, and it's throwing you off. You're just going to have to trust me. I game-planned those pitches. What you saw, is what happens when you pitch against a team expecting the pitch. It's just that simple.

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I almost forgot. I want to give a big shout out to KJ, my assistant DC, who scouted Michigan Panthers for me.

that's fine, I fully admit that a part of it was your D. one thing I didn't point out, but definitely did notice, was the overall team speed and how well the D played against pitches that did look normal. but look at those plays I posted. they are significantly different than most pitches I've seen. I do think your defense did better than any other d he's faced, but you seriously think those pitches look 'normal'?


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oh, and what you said actually only further validates my final claim. I meant no disrespect to your D, but if you can so properly gameplan against the pitch, it's makes it even MORE important that sanderval reconsider his pitch heavy offense.

Originally posted by Melancholy

here are some examples from your scrim.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=127325&pbp_id=6434036

Your guy likely has High Vision, he saw a hole opening up in the line and attempted to go through it. He miscalculated how fast it would close.


http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=127325&pbp_id=6435427 still a good gain, but this seems like a really shallow angle compared to what they used to be, and if he had made it to the outside, there looked to be a little bit more room

I'm not sure there is as much room as you think there. The LB who tackled you was just about wide open to run into the backfield if you went for a wider angle towards the side. Jeremy would have been around the WR blockers in the back (FS) and Ima Getu isn't exactly slow on coming across from his LB position if needed. He was likely out of range this time though.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=127325&pbp_id=6436981

Again, he's seeing a hole open up in the middle and starts going for it, when he realizes his mistake he almost makes it past Drew Manhill, but really, who is going to make it past Manhill?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=127325&pbp_id=6438922 I don't remember this ever happening on a pitch before, but I admittedly don't watch That closely, as i usually pay much more attention to how the oline is doing.

This one is just him deciding not to go around his lead blocker, instead going into the hole that the blocker is trying to make.


http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=127325&pbp_id=6439164

In this one your LG's blocking assignment is Ima getu, but he's too fast to be caught by the LG, so when the guard realizes that he blocks his best option, and double blocks on the line. The angle you run on this wouldn't have helped much, because Ima Getu had broken through the WR's and would have caught you near the sidelines, with the FS coming up from the outside.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=127325&pbp_id=6439301 runs backwards to avoid defenders, but if he just took a wider line to begin with, there might have been room to make it to the outside.

Even had he stayed back, the defenders were homed in on you that entire run. I think it's more likely you would have lost more yardage had you not moved towards the line of scrimmage than had you not.


Originally posted by
and, while it's possible it's entirely luck/superior d matchups, the glutton has been tackled for a loss Five times all regular season, but four times in this game.

I'd wager we're a tougher defense than you have gone against this season.

Originally posted by
the cubes recently had a scrim against the voodoo, and the cubes usually avg about 237 yards/g passing vs the voodoo's 266. Both teams have typically strong rushing games, with the voodoo players averaging about 175/g and the cubes averaging about 221. But in the scrim (I know I know, very small sample set, lots of changed variables), the numbers were really wild. both rushing games were non-existant, as the cubes rushed for 23 and the voodoo 25. while both passing games were off the charts. c^3 passed for 430 yards and an intense 9.1 ypa. the voodoo were not far behind, putting up the uber respectable numbers of 322@8.3.

Most scrimmage games look at what the other team does well and tries to shut that down. The offense generally wants to try something that they normally wouldn't do so change a lot of variables to see how things work. It's those times you see the strange numbers coming up in scrimmages. Also, both teams got a LOT of those passing yards in the 4th quarter, as they were both up and both down at times late in the 4th.

Originally posted by Binestar

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Most scrimmage games look at what the other team does well and tries to shut that down. The offense generally wants to try something that they normally wouldn't do so change a lot of variables to see how things work. It's those times you see the strange numbers coming up in scrimmages. Also, both teams got a LOT of those passing yards in the 4th quarter, as they were both up and both down at times late in the 4th.


i commend you for your response, and while all of those responses sound reasonable, they did not happen last season or even earlier this season. That is the reason I pointed them out. (other than the drew manhill play. I thought I remembered choosing not to include that one because it just looked like a good d play. guess I messed up).

I can show you numerous posts and replays indicating that none of your explainations about a hb trying to hit a hole instead of going outside were valid prior to the last update. Whether you consider this to be the intended behavior over the old behavior wasn't my intent in pointing it out. What I Was pointing out was 2 things.

1) The behavior that Sanderval relied on (or at least benefited from) is no longer in the game. (I can go out and find all the supporting posts if you really want me to).
2) Since guys in the west are obviously game planning against the pitch, it is in Sanderval's best interest to attempt to find a new offensive strategy if he is to succeed against them.

I'm not sure if you guys are being overly defensive because you think I'm trying to take away from your win. To be clear, I am not. I may have overstated idea #1 originally, but #2 is just as valid and results in the same conclusion, re: be wary of the pitch heavy offense.