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Dr. E
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Jan 29, 2014 16:24:44

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Originally posted by bhall43
His QB was throwing mostly 30 yard bombs. Your QB is throwing a bunch of short passes. The passing game has had to change up in WL since that QB played because of the INT builds.

Ahh, yea, those were the days.
I've watched some WL games, played a number of the teams myself to test stuff for next season. WL needs something different. I'll break down and do some game planning come playoffs and take a shot at getting there, bring possession passing into the mix.

bhall43
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Jan 30, 2014 14:21:18

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Originally posted by Dr. E
You already know the reason the QB is hitting shorter routes. The defenses are often in two and three deep zones. There's no secret to being a good DC, don't give up the long stuff, count on percentages. Crack down in the red zone. You know what's funny, the comment about the routes being exploitative. I wonder why everyone doesn't use them instead of the Big I and GL sweeps. Anyone taking a look at our play selection will see it's not as you suggest. We don't run one play out of a formation. If we run some single play enough to make it appear an exploitative usage of a route, it would be because Auto Adjust went overboard. We try to saturate the whole field so DCs can't "cheat" coverages, count on our dots winning rolls.

Why isn't everyone doing it? Because either

A) they haven't figured out the routes that are exploitable due to bad man coverage.

B) they realize that Big I, GL, and screens are more morale damaging and big play making.

C) They just don't care and wish to be different.

You know what is funny? The fact you think I am talking out of my ass about your team.

You have ran SB Big Weak Overload 53 times in league play. Of the 41 receptions, 34 have gone to either of the TE's. Your best gains coming from the 90 degree cut from BTE.

Your 3rd most used play? Strong Overload using the same logic the other way.

Your 4th most used play? Slot Deep Cross with guess fucking what? Another 90 degree cut from the TE.

5th most used play? You target the HB doing a circle route in Spread Diamonds.

These aren't secrets. The top WL teams all use the same plays. And the only differentiating aspect behind these plays are how much fake stuff these players are supporting and how fast they are.

The 90 degree cuts whether it is those short 5-7 yard TE cuts across the middle or to the outside (the outside is more dangerous btw as it leads to more INT's, you can even test that with your strength/lofty logic if you like) or the FB/HB routes from Weak I and Pro Set are very hard to cover. As is that Diamonds HB route. I know because people were using 4 defenders on BEEF's scat back and still couldn't stop that route very often last season.

Single Back, Single Back Big, and Shotgun are full of 5 yard TE in and out routes that are relatively safe throws. Pro Set and the I forms have a couple too but mostly out routes that are great. They do however add the FB/HB "< or >" cuts which have been a staple for offenses for ten seasons now and also some great WR drag routes. Spread only offers WR Drag routes, that diamond, and deep scat back throws up the middle to knife through cover 2 logic. And they have to use cover 2 or 3 because otherwise you can hit them for days with the plays that send WR3 and 4 to the sidelines deep.

Dub J
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Jan 30, 2014 14:59:41

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*takes notes*

toobad4u_00
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Jan 30, 2014 15:05:42

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I think bhall just solved under age worker exploitation issues

Dr. E
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Jan 30, 2014 15:11:09

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Originally posted by bhall43
Why isn't everyone doing it? Because either

A) they haven't figured out the routes that are exploitable due to bad man coverage.

B) they realize that Big I, GL, and screens are more morale damaging and big play making.

C) They just don't care and wish to be different.

You know what is funny? The fact you think I am talking out of my ass about your team.

You have ran SB Big Weak Overload 53 times in league play. Of the 41 receptions, 34 have gone to either of the TE's. Your best gains coming from the 90 degree cut from BTE.

Your 3rd most used play? Strong Overload using the same logic the other way.

Your 4th most used play? Slot Deep Cross with guess fucking what? Another 90 degree cut from the TE.

5th most used play? You target the HB doing a circle route in Spread Diamonds.

These aren't secrets. The top WL teams all use the same plays. And the only differentiating aspect behind these plays are how much fake stuff these players are supporting and how fast they are.

The 90 degree cuts whether it is those short 5-7 yard TE cuts across the middle or to the outside (the outside is more dangerous btw as it leads to more INT's, you can even test that with your strength/lofty logic if you like) or the FB/HB routes from Weak I and Pro Set are very hard to cover. As is that Diamonds HB route. I know because people were using 4 defenders on BEEF's scat back and still couldn't stop that route very often last season.

Single Back, Single Back Big, and Shotgun are full of 5 yard TE in and out routes that are relatively safe throws. Pro Set and the I forms have a couple too but mostly out routes that are great. They do however add the FB/HB "< or >" cuts which have been a staple for offenses for ten seasons now and also some great WR drag routes. Spread only offers WR Drag routes, that diamond, and deep scat back throws up the middle to knife through cover 2 logic. And they have to use cover 2 or 3 because otherwise you can hit them for days with the plays that send WR3 and 4 to the sidelines deep.

So move the safeties up, simple solution. But you know what will happen, it's happened to those that tried, you just don't have a valid point, because if it was so sure fire, all the teams that run screens would do so. You tried a possession receiving team and failed. Try paying attention, maybe you will learn what you did wrong.

Here is the real break down in the SB Big. Only reason the one play is higher than the others is because AA found it more successful.

Weak Overload 57 44 335.5 5.89
Double TE Middle 35 18 133 3.8
Strong Overload 32 26 203.5 6.36
Flanker Drag 29 17 136.5 4.71
Iso HB Under 28 17 150.5 5.38
TE Clearout 21 11 113.5 5.4
Middle Ins 20 16 150 7.5
TE Drive 9 5 88 9.78
Double Slants 5 3 2 0.4

Edited by Dr. E on Jan 30, 2014 15:16:21

Edited by Dr. E on Jan 30, 2014 15:12:37

toobad4u_00
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Jan 30, 2014 15:15:07

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Originally posted by Dr. E
So move the safeties up, simple solution. But you know what will happen, it's happened to those that tried, you just don't have a valid point, because if it was so sure fire, all the teams that run screens would do so. You tried a possession receiving team and failed. Try paying attention, maybe you will learn what you did wrong.

Now, go talk Bort into letting you alter some more plays so coverage is further from the LOS, makes screens much easier to pull off when everyone is 20 yards down field.

I think Dr E just cured cancer.

bhall43
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Jan 30, 2014 15:27:20

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Originally posted by Dr. E
So move the safeties up, simple solution. But you know what will happen, it's happened to those that tried, you just don't have a valid point, because if it was so sure fire, all the teams that run screens would do so. You tried a possession receiving team and failed. Try paying attention, maybe you will learn what you did wrong.

Now, go talk Bort into letting you alter some more plays so coverage is further from the LOS, makes screens much easier to pull off when everyone is 20 yards down field.

Your point was that you aren't using exploitive routes. Do I need to provide 100 replays of you doing EXACTLY what I just went over?

It is SOOOO sure fire that my rushing team with 2 blocking WR's passed for nearly 75% in WL last season on their way to the WL championship game. It is so sure fire that the other WL OC's see it too.

Originally posted by RyanCane26
TE passing is very easy, you're not calling the right routes if you're having trouble. Try anything where the TE has a 90 degree cut.

I have no idea what you are talking about with me failing. Can you provide an example of that failure? If I were to pay attention to anyone in this game it would likely be Hcreek. But I am pretty sure the WL and Nat Pro QB and HB MVP's that I have coached over the last 10 seasons show I don't need any help on learning how to run or pass the ball in this game.

Is that last jab a mention that I am using screens? I don't get it. Maybe you should use the scout tool on Cincy this season and BEEF the last 2 seasons.

Edited by bhall43 on Jan 30, 2014 15:34:56

bhall43
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Jan 30, 2014 15:31:03

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Edited by bhall43 on Jan 30, 2014 15:58:43

toobad4u_00
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Jan 30, 2014 15:47:44

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So much jelly in this thread. I think it is mostly my jelly, but there is much jelly to be had.

bhall43
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Jan 30, 2014 16:03:22

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And I mean don't get me wrong. You are doing all the right things Dr. E. Just don't piss on me and tell me it's raining. Especially not to those people that are PM'ing you for advice on why your passing game is doing good.

toobad4u_00
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Jan 30, 2014 16:18:30

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Originally posted by bhall43
And I mean don't get me wrong. You are doing all the right things Dr. E. Just don't piss on me and tell me it's raining. Especially not to those people that are PM'ing you for advice on why your passing game is doing good.

In his defense Aloysius Pendergast is one of the best detectives in a series aside from Sherlock Holmes possibly. Soooo, there's that.

jdbolick
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Jan 30, 2014 16:29:42

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Originally posted by Dr. E
So move the safeties up, simple solution. But you know what will happen, it's happened to those that tried, you just don't have a valid point, because if it was so sure fire, all the teams that run screens would do so. You tried a possession receiving team and failed. Try paying attention, maybe you will learn what you did wrong.

After 38 seasons you have exactly zero Pro trophies. Zero. Have you ever even had a player in the WL? And all of that lack of accomplishment would be fine if you didn't care about that stuff and played this game strictly for amusement, but the fact that you talk shit to WL veterans when they attempt to correct and educate you shows that you genuinely do care about succeeding, you're just that fucking awful that you constantly fail. And for the record, I don't correct you because I give the slightest shit about you. I correct you because I worry that someone who doesn't know any better might read your colossal ignorance and be negatively influenced by it.

Dub J
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Jan 30, 2014 16:31:48

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Even I have a Pro troofie...

Season 27, USA Pro League, Recruiter of Chicago Hedgehogs
Western Conference Champ

Landed us the SS that helped us win the conference!!!

Edited by Dub J on Jan 30, 2014 16:32:33

Dub J
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Jan 30, 2014 16:33:34

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Well, it's now "them". Wise killed me in Survivor so many times I'm no longer on speaking terms with him.

aaasahi
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Jan 30, 2014 18:46:20

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Originally posted by bhall43
Maybe you should use the scout tool on Cincy this season and BEEF the last 2 seasons.

Scout tool can't do past seasons. T_T

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