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Originally posted by tpaterniti
Again ??? 4 Surge costs 6 SPs, 5 costs 9, 6 costs 12. I have never seen a build with more than 6 because it fires so often with 6.

I put together this little stats analysis on my powerback's first 3 games this season:


Build: http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2367936
Stats:
http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd314/tpaterniti/TempStats_zpsf7d1d3a8.png

I could do a huge sample size but it would probably just show the exact same trend you see here because that trend in the stats simply confirmed the impression I get every time I watch his games.

How many extra yards did Surge get you that you would not have gotten without it. That's the most important part. Like I said....I have seen Surge activate and still get tackled for a 1-2 yd gain.

Originally posted by tpaterniti
And I must disagree with the 1 yd gain when it fires. I would say he averages pretty well beyond that when it fires.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2265749&pbp_id=2737478 5
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2265749&pbp_id=2737717 2.5
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2265749&pbp_id=2738972 5
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2265749&pbp_id=2739041 4
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2265749&pbp_id=2740277 7
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2265748&pbp_id=2362387 6
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2265748&pbp_id=2363246 8.5
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2265748&pbp_id=2363517 3
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2265748&pbp_id=2364974 1.5
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2265864&pbp_id=1990750 3
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2265864&pbp_id=1986262 6
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2265864&pbp_id=1986806 4.5
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2265864&pbp_id=1987969 1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2265864&pbp_id=1989740 5

In fact he averaged 4.42 ypc when it fired and only 2 out of the 14 times (14%) did he gain fewer than 2 yards. Edit: looks like I missed one in the stats above - should read as firing 14 total times not 13. So that's 14 fires on 51 total runs (27% of the time) and 14 out of 38 inside runs (37% of the time).


Show me the stats of a power back and how often Juke or Head Fake fires with 6 in it. Obviously by the nature of how the VA works (has to be no one around them to fire) they are in a good situation, but you can see a noticeable boost to speed. I am not going to count clicks or whatnot. People can see the evidence I present here.

Agree on Surge's usefulness, however I'd still take Juke/Power Thru/Spin over it.

Definitely far far more useful than Dive for Yards, lol. That SA is trash.

Originally posted by tpaterniti



http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2265748&pbp_id=2363246

Yeah... it is plays like this that make me question surge over another skill. The boost to speed is negligible, and the one time he needed to break a tackle, he didn't.

This guy is just as fast through the gap, but he's also going to make people miss.

I know it isn't a fair comparison, but I don't have any active high level power backs. I used surge on my last one, but I wish I had gone with something else.

would retire

Does surge firing prevent a BT SA from firing simultaneously? Sure seems like it and I have Surge on an elusive. Works ok, but nothing great.

Originally posted by Time Trial
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2265748&pbp_id=2363246

I thought Surge was only supposed to work on inside runs. When selecting plays inside a package that play is listed as an outside run.

Originally posted by Buzz42day
I thought Surge was only supposed to work on inside runs. When selecting plays inside a package that play is listed as an outside run.



wat

surge works a ton for qb rollouts iirc

Originally posted by Dr. Showtime
wat

surge works a ton for qb rollouts iirc

Just going by the SA description. Is it a 7 yard thing from the initial ball spot?

Originally posted by Dr. Showtime
wat

surge works a ton for qb rollouts iirc

Got a replay because it is supposed to be for inside runs only. I have never seen it on an outside rollout or pitch play.

Originally posted by whodey08
Got a replay because it is supposed to be for inside runs only. I have never seen it on an outside rollout or pitch play.

Off-tackle replay which in GLB is an inside run even though it's generally outside the tackles...replay is http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=5042958&page=4#46921961

Surge can fire any time a ball carrier hits the LoS, untouched and is "between the tackles" as defined on that play in sim.

Its not just on designated "inside runs" per GLB playbook.

Originally posted by Mike Rogers
Surge can fire any time a ball carrier hits the LoS, untouched and is "between the tackles" as defined on that play in sim.

Its not just on designated "inside runs" per GLB playbook.



yes, but it fires outside the tackles as well... http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2265748&pbp_id=2363246 ...
clearly outside the tackle, no? Happens on lots of off tackle plays.

Originally posted by Black Peter
Off-tackle replay which in GLB is an inside run even though it's generally outside the tackles...replay is http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=5042958&page=4#46921961

That is a forum link.

Originally posted by Black Peter
yes, but it fires outside the tackles as well... http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2265748&pbp_id=2363246 ...
clearly outside the tackle, no? Happens on lots of off tackle plays.


Interesting.....definitely outside the tackles