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And as far warning/banning someone for saying "Sh**" ... that's pretty harsh imo. It's an issue if it's in the title or excessive.

I'm not sure about other mods, but I know how jd, LHF and mandyross post and interact, so as long as it isn't breaking any rules I'll let them go after each other for a bit.

boys will be boys

Originally posted by O' HappyCow
they cant talk about those sorts of things like who was banned and who wasnt

Dadd invited the question by asking us what we would've done. I think it's fair to ask in return what actually WAS done.

Originally posted by Dadd
I posted that thread, because it happened when I was first made a Mod so I was uncertain how to proceed.

afaik, no one was warned/banned/punished ... the thread was just simply locked for the reason stated.

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If i were a mod, I would have sent them both a PM, telling them both to stop with any and all personal attacks, if those kept going then i would have banned them both for a day. But i would send a PM first . if something as simple as an edit could keep someone from getting a ban, why not. there are enough stupid bans as it is. I PM people all the time when they use words I know they will get banned for if a Mods were to see them. Words that normal posters think are harmless adult words but words that will get you and instant ban here. a ban I still dont agree with so I just make a little pm and they make an edit and it saves them a few days of a ban.

Originally posted by Novus
Look at jdbolick. I'm willing to bet that in his case, he did what he's known for doing: put together a blistering TL;DR epic tirade with his unique trademarked blend of incredibly well-thought-out logical arguments mixed with trolly personal insults. It's the sort of thing he does all the time -- and the sort of thing he gets away with all the time, because a certain percentage of the mod staff finds him to be entertaining. But THIS time, a different mod comes along and gives him a forum ban -- for doing the exact same thing he does consequence-free in almost all of his other forum arguments.
I get banned frequently. Please make sure you know what you're talking about before posting.

Originally posted by Novus
I would've also banned jdbolick for his first post on Page 2 for his needless personal insults against LHF... one thing to disagree with a statement, quite another thing to flat-out tell someone they don't know anything about what they're talking about at all.
It's not against the rules (nor inappropriate) to point out that someone has no idea what they're talking about. What LHF posted had absolutely nothing to do with that discussion, and thus was comically irrelevant.

Originally posted by
And frankly, I think jdbolick started the personal idiocy with his post back on Page 1, which is one of his favorite ways to dismiss someone out-of-hand who he thinks he is completely intellectually superior to. It's obnoxious.
You deserve them. If you're suggesting that people need to be banned for posting facepalms then you should probably step away from this thread before you make yourself look any worse.

ban them all.. let god sort it out...

Originally posted by Dadd
And as far warning/banning someone for saying "shit" ... that's pretty harsh imo.

Perhaps... but isn't profanity a violation of forum rules? (I'm honestly asking... too lazy to look it up myself, so I figured I'd just ask a mod. You should know, right?) And what about the personal insults that were flying back and forth between both of them?

The 1-2-3 combo of jd's un-needed facepalm, LHF's un-needed "Eat shit," and jd's un-needed you-know-nothing-you-moron response ended up setting the ugly tone for the rest of the thread... and that in turn sets the tone for the rest of the FORUMS. jdbolick and LHF each came out of that thread thinking they'd done nothing wrong -- a belief that was validated by the inaction of the mods.

Now fast-forward... jdbolick does the exact same thing in another thread -- but this time gets forum-banned for it. He does it in Thread A = no punishment. He does it in Thread B = punishment.

Why?

Don't you see why this is a problem?

Either jdbolick -- AND EVERYONE ELSE TOO -- should be allowed to do this all the time, or he -- AND EVERYONE ELSE TOO -- should be slapped with a cool-off forum ban every time he starts getting personal in his arguments.

Pick one.

Originally posted by Dadd
afaik, no one was warned/banned/punished ...

BAN EVERYONE

DO IT!

Originally posted by jdbolick
:jdbolick:

I'm going to state my policy right now that I'm not going to get into a direct debate with jdbolick over his posting. He has his opinion of his posting, and I have my opinion of his posting, and neither is going to change. He can waste however much time he wants to responding to me. I won't waste any of my own time likewise.

I'm simply using his experience as an example of the inconsistencies of the moderation in the GLB forums -- something he and I both have direct experience with, and something he and I fully agree on.

Originally posted by Novus
Originally posted by Dadd

And as far warning/banning someone for saying "shit" ... that's pretty harsh imo.

Perhaps... but isn't profanity a violation of forum rules? (I'm honestly asking... too lazy to look it up myself, so I figured I'd just ask a mod. You should know, right?) And what about the personal insults that were flying back and forth between both of them?

The 1-2-3 combo of jd's un-needed facepalm, LHF's un-needed "Eat shit," and jd's un-needed you-know-nothing-you-moron response ended up setting the ugly tone for the rest of the thread... and that in turn sets the tone for the rest of the FORUMS. jdbolick and LHF each came out of that thread thinking they'd done nothing wrong -- a belief that was validated by the inaction of the mods.

Now fast-forward... jdbolick does the exact same thing in another thread -- but this time gets forum-banned for it. He does it in Thread A = no punishment. He does it in Thread B = punishment.

Why?

Don't you see why this is a problem?

Either jdbolick -- AND EVERYONE ELSE TOO -- should be allowed to do this all the time, or he -- AND EVERYONE ELSE TOO -- should be slapped with a cool-off forum ban every time he starts getting personal in his arguments.

Pick one.

YOU SHOULD NEVER EVER BE A MOD, EVER

Originally posted by Novus
Perhaps... but isn't profanity a violation of forum rules? (I'm honestly asking... too lazy to look it up myself, so I figured I'd just ask a mod. You should know, right?) And what about the personal insults that were flying back and forth between both of them?

The 1-2-3 combo of jd's un-needed facepalm, LHF's un-needed "Eat shit," and jd's un-needed you-know-nothing-you-moron response ended up setting the ugly tone for the rest of the thread... and that in turn sets the tone for the rest of the FORUMS. jdbolick and LHF each came out of that thread thinking they'd done nothing wrong -- a belief that was validated by the inaction of the mods.

Now fast-forward... jdbolick does the exact same thing in another thread -- but this time gets forum-banned for it. He does it in Thread A = no punishment. He does it in Thread B = punishment.

Why?

Don't you see why this is a problem?

Either jdbolick -- AND EVERYONE ELSE TOO -- should be allowed to do this all the time, or he -- AND EVERYONE ELSE TOO -- should be slapped with a cool-off forum ban every time he starts getting personal in his arguments.

Pick one.

I answered in the post you quoted. The rules is no cursing in Thread title, and no "excessive" cursing.

And and word you used in your post is the issue with Moderating: ""un-needed".

Who decides it? Several existing mods let it go, because it was just jdbolick and LHF in a pointless circle-jerk. But it wasn't hurting anything.

It wasn't harming anyone else, unless they got their feelings hurt by how mean they are to each other. So they were allowed their fun for a time.

And I've been told by several veteran mods and admins that if I can handle something with a PM and an edit, then that's the way to proceed.

And I agree.

Originally posted by Novus
Now fast-forward... jdbolick does the exact same thing in another thread -- but this time gets forum-banned for it. He does it in Thread A = no punishment. He does it in Thread B = punishment.
Do you ever wonder why people (not just me) treat you with disdain if not apoplexy? It's because the things you post have little to do with reality. As I explained, my last ban came from criticizing someone else who had disrupted a thread by talking shit to a third party unjustly. The inconsistency is not in how I'm treated from one thread to another, as some mods look for opportunities to ban me. The inconsistency comes from a person with my reputation getting banned a lot, while the people who insult me almost never get banned.

Originally posted by O' HappyCow
YOU SHOULD NEVER EVER BE A MOD, EVER

I agree. That's why I've never applied to be a mod here.

I've been a mod before on another forum. That... didn't end well.

But my main argument here isn't really whether or not jdbolick or LHF or anyone else in that thread should've been banned... I was simply responding to Dadd's question.

My main argument is that the rules, whatever the rules happen to be, need to be enforced consistently, regardless of the mod, regardless of the user. Right now, they're not. That's why jdbolick does his thing in Thread A with no punishment, and then does his thing in Thread B and gets punished for it.

That sort of inconsistency should not be happening.

Originally posted by Dadd
And I've been told by several veteran mods and admins that if I can handle something with a PM and an edit, then that's the way to proceed.

And I agree.

i wish more people did that, no one does that.. I beg in the appeals to just send me a stupid PM is something needed to be edited. and its usually down to 1 word or so that gets me banned. if thats the case let me edit that one word.