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Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
Would be kinda nice to hear from someone that didn't put hardly anything into speed for a DT and let others know what they thought and if they still build that way.

Not sure if srs?

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Originally posted by boondocksaint


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Noob Q:

Does this thread apply to both NTs and DTs? Or can I get away with sub-70 speed on a NT?

Originally posted by mandyross
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Noob Q:

Does this thread apply to both NTs and DTs? Or can I get away with sub-70 speed on a NT?

The one I added speed to (81 with 8 in first step) is a NT. Makes it nice because he still has almost 160 strength with VA's and 95 agility so he can get pressure from that alone but if there is a need for speed like trying to sack the QB and outside screens and pitches than he has the speed to get out there for when the cutback happens.

Originally posted by boondocksaint
Not sure if srs?

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Um... I am being serious and I did look at the post above mine... in fact, I was responding to that very post by tautology. And what I mean by my post is what I said.
Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
Would be kinda nice to hear from someone that didn't put hardly anything into speed for a DT and let others know what they thought and if they still build that way.
I'm talking more like speed 30-50... not the 70's posted about. Hope that helps better define the question.

Originally posted by Theo Wizzago

I'm talking more like speed 30-50... not the 70's posted about. Hope that helps better define the question.

Good lord....there are dots with 30-50 speed out there?

That doesn't seem realistic.

My previous attempt at a NT had 62 or 63 speed. I didn't like his behavior, and as such I am trying for more in my current generation of players.

try 15-25 in snarl, your defensive tackle must be ferocious like the samoan nose tackles in the NFL

Originally posted by whodey08
Good lord....there are dots with 30-50 speed out there?

QBs?

or hope the dot runs into you.

Originally posted by Theo Wizzago

I'm talking more like speed 30-50... not the 70's posted about. Hope that helps better define the question.

I've seen some 35-50 speed DTs and they were pretty awful.

I think you need to be at least in the mid 60s for decent results.

The question used to be whther spending above 68 was worthwhile...it definitely has always seemed like getting to 65-68 was a good investment.

It used to be that spending above 68 was a pretty marginal return compared to other investments....but now that 1450-1500+ points builds with 4 AEQ are possible, I think the bar may have been raised on the best speed investment.

I still think that ytou can build a really excellent run-focused DT with speed well below 80 however...probably 73 or 77 speed is a pretty good place to end up. But I do think 85ish speed is potentially wothwhile, even for a run stopper.

Originally posted by tautology
I've seen some 35-50 speed DTs and they were pretty awful.

I think you need to be at least in the mid 60s for decent results.

The question used to be whther spending above 68 was worthwhile...it definitely has always seemed like getting to 65-68 was a good investment.

It used to be that spending above 68 was a pretty marginal return compared to other investments....but now that 1450-1500+ points builds with 4 AEQ are possible, I think the bar may have been raised on the best speed investment.

I still think that ytou can build a really excellent run-focused DT with speed well below 80 however...probably 73 or 77 speed is a pretty good place to end up. But I do think 85ish speed is potentially wothwhile, even for a run stopper.




Now that evasive pass rush has become effective I wouldnt go less then 70 speed.

Originally posted by tautology
I've seen some 35-50 speed DTs and they were pretty awful.

I think you need to be at least in the mid 60s for decent results.

The question used to be whther spending above 68 was worthwhile...it definitely has always seemed like getting to 65-68 was a good investment.

It used to be that spending above 68 was a pretty marginal return compared to other investments....but now that 1450-1500+ points builds with 4 AEQ are possible, I think the bar may have been raised on the best speed investment.

I still think that ytou can build a really excellent run-focused DT with speed well below 80 however...probably 73 or 77 speed is a pretty good place to end up. But I do think 85ish speed is potentially wothwhile, even for a run stopper.




Thanks Taut. Someone finally noticed I had voiced it in the form of a question. (phew!) Appreciate the info.

I'm starting a build now with speed being the 3rd attribute to get some SP attention. I'm only going to double cap it though, and it should coast up to the low 70s with ALGs and training.

pretty sure i'll be the greatest DT in the history of football, let alone GLB

Originally posted by TJ Spikes
I'm starting a build now with speed being the 3rd attribute to get some SP attention. I'm only going to double cap it though, and it should coast up to the low 70s with ALGs and training.

pretty sure i'll be the greatest DT in the history of football, let alone GLB



If your only double capping it than I wouldn't make it your 3rd attribute. Your gonna wanna focus on strength, agility, and tackling. Once your done with your primary than you can switch to speed and can still easily get it in the low 70's.

Originally posted by whodey08
If your only double capping it than I wouldn't make it your 3rd attribute. Your gonna wanna focus on strength, agility, and tackling. Once your done with your primary than you can switch to speed and can still easily get it in the low 70's.

the order of capping doesn't make a huge difference, from a SP standpoint, once you get into the later stages of ALGs at L30+, which nowadays is by the end of the 2nd season. After L38 there's almost no difference at all.

it does make a huge difference in "game play" tho. I could spend 2 seasons being a motionless blob or i could spend 4+ while I push tackling through the roof with a 7 or 8 cap.

as long as the end build shapes up, it doesn't really matter how you get there.

for the record his projected build will be around 100, 95-100, 85-90, with speed growing into the 70-75 range. It all depends on how accurately I can mimic what the VPB is showing me is possible.