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Originally posted by Dub J
So you're saying you have 45 SPs sitting around for when #2-4 hit 33 and you all cap them at once?

2,3 and 4 are already at 60,50,50.....

5th skill is only at 21, will take a while before i gotta cap it.

I'm asking how do you avoid training #3 and 4 at 33 while still having enough SPs to get your primary high enough?

Originally posted by Dub J
I'm asking how do you avoid training #3 and 4 at 33 while still having enough SPs to get your primary high enough?

easily.

im done my primary, it'll hit 100 by end build like i wanted, some may like a few points more for blitzing LBs but he's not looking to go to WL.

i usually have to cap my second skill when im in the high 60s i think, then the third in the 70s then the 4th in the 80s? I dont really remember tbh. but i always know when i need to save up 15 SPs for my skills. its fairly simple and really helps your builds whether you believe it or not.

Im hoping you guys can slow down and answer some more questions in a simpler form.

So right now... I train all of my players primary to 33 and then dump it up to 49.
Then I start multi training the other two attributes I want while dumping BT to boost the training results.
When I hit 33 I would dump SPs into one of the two to get it 49. Meanwhile, I am adding my SPs into my primary to get to the 2nd cap.

Example for a WR that might be slightly modified for other poitions.
Primary Attr = Speed.
1) Speed started off at 25...trained it to 35. Added the 15 SPs to get to 48.
2) Multi train Agility and Catching to level 35....While dumping level upgrades into speed to get it to 2nd cap....using BT to increase training speed to 35.
3. Train a 4th attribute to 35 ( use SPs from level 15 to 25 to get agility to the level 2 cap as quickly as possible. Remaining SPs go to bring catching to level 1 cap.
4. Once I hit level 30 level player start focusing on getting equiptment on my players to get speed an additional 50 or so levels.

You need to be 4 way multi training. The training gains + BT gains of 4 way are far superior to two way multi-training.

You also need to push your main attributes much further in the current game than back in 2009. They added alot of SPs to the build, so you can still round out your secondaries and cap high. Most good builders don't stop capping their primaries until 81 - 88 (depending upon position and build goals).

Originally posted by Dub J
Getting one attribute to max and then capping 3 others technically isn't circle capping anyway.

This is what I do when I say I "sorta do circle capping"

Whats circle capping

Originally posted by Plankton
You need to be 4 way multi training. The training gains + BT gains of 4 way are far superior to two way multi-training.

You also need to push your main attributes much further in the current game than back in 2009. They added alot of SPs to the build, so you can still round out your secondaries and cap high. Most good builders don't stop capping their primaries until 81 - 88 (depending upon position and build goals).



When you 4 way multi train don't you have to wait 4 days to train?

4-way requires 8 training points. Takes you 4 days to amass 8 training points.

Originally posted by kevoncox
When you 4 way multi train don't you have to wait 4 days to train?




Yes; But you train 4 times that one day, once per attribute and each training gets a 30% bonus over Intense training AND you get 6 BTs which is 1.5 BT per day.

By comparison, if you two-way multi train, you would train 4 times (2 per attribute) in a four day period and each training gets only a 5% bonus over Intense Training and you only get 4 BTs which is 1 BT per day.

You may not realize it yet, but BTs are VERY important as they are the currency used to purchase and upgrade Advanced Equipment. AE is far superior to Normal EQ, so you want to have at least 3 AE by end build. Thus, not only is 4-way better from a training gain point of view, but 50% better from a BT accumulation point of view.

Edit: fixed mistake regarding multi-training gain.

TBH, you are probably better off just normal training every day over 2-way multi-training. I believe Time Trial did a test build using Normal training and while it was not WL quality, it was a decent Pro level player and has alot of flexibility on how you spend BTs.

Originally posted by Plankton

By comparison, if you two-way multi train, you would train 4 times (2 per attribute) in a four day period and each training gets only a 5% bonus from Normal Training (barely better than just Normal training) and you only get 4 BTs which is 1 BT per day.

This is incorrect. 4-way multi gets 30% on top of the 30% from intense (the basis for 4-way is not normal, it's intense) in a multiplicative way.

Also, Dub J, circle capping just means "whenever you have enough SP to raise one attribute to the next cap, do it. If you can raise two, raise the one that is being trained in the most inefficient manner". This could mean like, in a spd-agi-vis-tkl majors position, you would go spd to 87, then agility to 49, agility to 60, vision to 49, agility to 68, tkl to 49, etc, just raising the one which is closest to the cap as soon as you can.

It isn't the old blind-mode circle capping, but it's not the traditional "raise this one first, then that one, than the other one" routine.

That Dub J is almost a big a noob as Hag.

plankton knows whats up.


if youre still confused on monday/ maybe sunday night, ill shoot you a pm since im gone all weekend.

Should I just sacrifice 3 days training on light to acquire the needed BTs so that I can get to 4 way train faster. Right now I only have 2 way train. and I will need 12 and 18 Bts for a total of 30.