Warrior General Games

Originally posted by mandyross
You don't understand anything. Your reasoning is some of the most cretinous I have ever heard.
I'm really not opposed to insults nor offended by them, but your staggering hypocrisy does bother me (just as tautology's does). Hell, you even brought up how I supposedly "lash out aimlessly" and "go a little insane" even while I'm being perfectly calm in this thread despite your repeated attacks. You're abusive to people who argue with you just as I am, but you lie to yourself and pretend to be above that while putting me down for it. I am honest about myself. You aren't.

Originally posted by
The 31.5 green line data point is lower because it takes into account the points of the red line beyond 31.5, where he has horizontal movement. Your conclusions are idiotic and just plain wrong. That is what a running mean does to a time series! It is obvious that you don't understand this.
You're the one being blatantly deceitful about these properties. What is needed for time series data to be represented as a purely horizontal line? The data points either need to be constant over time or vary slightly above and below it by the same degree. If speed was continuously declining on that return as energy was lost, then a time series representation would reflect that with a negative slope.

Originally posted by
Learn to program and look at the code, do a data analysis course, anything. You just don't have the qualifications to make any sense here and you are just misleading others.
Again I laugh. You're pretending to have a superiority that doesn't exist, all because you know that the evidence proves you wrong. You have nothing whatsoever to offer except bluster. As I noted, there are other replays where the time series does indicate speed loss over time, but on the link above it doesn't exist. At all.

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Replay - http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2091427&pbp_id=5862341
Speed script results - http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3276/mandyrossisfullofshit.jpg

Remember, it was you that needed the basics of the speed script explaining to you in a mega-post, something that was patently obvious to several other users. Now we're getting a little more complicated, using a running mean, and you're struggling again.

Obviously this little ding-dong won't go anywhere, so I'll stick with my previous conclusion:

Originally posted by mandyross
Someone should just ask Bort during the next Q&A if energy and confidence are updated on a tick-by-tick basis in a replay, the answer will be yes.

Originally posted by mandyross
Remember, it was you that needed the basics of the speed script explaining to you in a mega-post, something that was patently obvious to several other users.
Actually you need to go back and reread that exchange because your bitterness is leading you to create this delusion in your head where I was completely clueless. If you go back and look, I mentioned the rounding effect right at the very beginning of the argument with tautology. That was not news to me. My mistake was in not grasping just how large it was.

Originally posted by
Now we're getting a little more complicated, using a running mean, and you're struggling again.
See, you're just bullshitting here because you have no response to this: "What is needed for time series data to be represented as a purely horizontal line? The data points either need to be constant over time or vary slightly above and below it by the same degree. If speed was continuously declining on that return as energy was lost, then a time series representation would reflect that with a negative slope."

You know I'm right about that, and you know that the lack of a negative slope proves you wrong here: http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4950599&page=3#45918798 where you claimed to see a drop that clearly does not exist for that replay. It does appear in some other replays, which is why I've repeatedly said that I might be wrong about energy loss affecting in-play, but it's undeniably true that it does not appear in this replay: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2091427&pbp_id=5862341 It isn't there, and you made a mistake when you claimed to see one. Everything since then has been you repeatedly insulting me because you have no legitimate response for your error.

Liar. I have already responded to the italicized part several times. I'm not going to spell it out for you more than this:

Originally posted by mandyross
If Bort included 1 more decimal place of accuracy in these replays, there would be an obvious decline in the graph.

Originally posted by mandyross
The confusion behind having examples that supposedly support both sides is taken away if you focus on the resolution of the time and distance steps in the replay code ... You have to understand the resolution you get when using discrete time and distance steps in computer code ... read up on running means and the limitation of using them on a truncated, low resolution time series.

etc.

Lies, misinterpretation of data, insults, backtracking, this is becoming quite a bolicking!

Originally posted by jdbolick
Originally posted by mandyross

Remember, it was you that needed the basics of the speed script explaining to you in a mega-post, something that was patently obvious to several other users.
Actually you need to go back and reread that exchange because your bitterness is leading you to create this delusion in your head where I was completely clueless. If you go back and look, I mentioned the rounding effect right at the very beginning of the argument with tautology. That was not news to me. My mistake was in not grasping just how large it was


That was a basic mistake. Hence why I pointed out that you needed the basics of the speed script explaining to you.

Originally posted by mandyross
etc.

Lies, misinterpretation of data, insults, backtracking, this is becoming quite a bolicking!

I haven't lied about anything, as I don't need to. Nor have I insulted you, whereas you have repeatedly insulted me as you've lost control of your emotions. I haven't backtracked either, which makes you 0 for 3. Look, it's one thing to toss invective while actually proving your point, which is what I usually do, but your posts for the last page or so have been all bluster and absolutely no substance. That's because you know you screwed up and have no response.

Originally posted by mandyross
Liar. I have already responded to the italicized part several times. I'm not going to spell it out for you more than this:
Saying that you already answered something while failing to provide that answer again is classic avoidance technique when losing an argument. Again, the only way a time series shows a perfectly horizontal line over time is if the results are constant or vary by roughly the same small degree above and below. For the last 65 yards of the kickoff return, the line stays level. That would not happen if his speed declined. You know that, which is why you're getting angry and throwing out bullshit to try and distract from the fact that you have no rebuttal.

Meanwhile I've already acknowledged that in the OP's link http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2081350&pbp_id=2136684 and in one of mine http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1979849&pbp_id=5063219 you do see a negative slope. So it's very possible that I'm wrong and energy lost during a play does have in-play effects, but you're unquestionably wrong for saying that there was a decline on this replay: http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3276/mandyrossisfullofshit.jpg It just isn't there, and you've been insulting me ever since I proved you wrong.

You're hopeless.

You do realise that the "straight line" you drew on http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3276/mandyrossisfullofshit.jpg isn't actually straight either?

And you started it at the place where the horizontal motion starts, not at the place that considers pure vertical motion. Just. Wrong.

You don't understand the code, you don't understand the time series, you don't understand how to interpret the green line, you don't respond to the detail in my posts, apart from with a clearly wrong jpg, you're insulting other users whilst throwing in another dig at Tautology for happening to be smarter than you etc. etc. etc. If you disagreed with someone on quantum physics and they couldn't be bothered to backtrack to a simple level to explain what operators were, or the like, you'd blow up and accuse them of <avoidance>. Remember, you're the one who is constantly banned for losing control of your emotions, who has a word named after you on these forums to represent your manic rants. Personally, I merely find it quite amusing.

Originally posted by mandyross
You do realise that the "straight line" you drew on http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3276/mandyrossisfullofshit.jpg isn't actually straight either?
It's really straight.

Originally posted by
And you started it at the place where the horizontal motion starts, not at the place that considers pure vertical motion. Just. Wrong.
Sure, but that continued all the way through the play to the end when he was running purely vertically. The speed never deviated.

Originally posted by
You don't understand the code, you don't understand the time series, you don't understand how to interpret the green line, you don't respond to the detail in my posts, apart from with a clearly wrong jpg, you're insulting other users whilst throwing in another dig at Tautology for happening to be smarter than you etc. etc. etc.
It's bizarre that you keep claiming I'm being insulting when I clearly haven't been in this read, while you clearly have been insulting to me. Repeatedly. Just like your interpretation of that replay, I have no idea what your brain is conjuring because it has no relation to reality. And I didn't criticize tautology's hypocrisy because he's smarter (he probably isn't); I did it because it bugs me that he's just like you in being all condescending and critical about the way I talk to people and yet using unprovoked insults towards me. Again, I don't particularly mind being insulted. I mind being insulted by people who act like they look down on people who use insults. Hypocrisy drives me up the wall. Whatever you want to say about me, I'm honest about myself. You're not, and neither is he.

Originally posted by
Remember, you're the one who is constantly banned for losing control of your emotions
Actually I don't. My last ban was for posting a PM in a private forum, the one before that was for a one line post calling someone out for welching on a bet, and the one before that was for making a WL thread with a dancing lock as the opening post.

Originally posted by
who has a word named after you on these forums to represent your manic rants. Personally, I merely find it quite amusing.
Pariah invented that word and the definitions that went with it. None of them have negative connotations. I'm known for being verbose, but also for usually being correct. Does anyone know you for anything besides starting shit with me and hosting a build forum where you're not even qualified to give advice?

:jdbolick:

Originally posted by jdbolick
Hypocrisy drives me up the wall. Whatever you want to say about me, I'm honest about myself.




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Originally posted by jdbolick
I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong, but if so then that means that energy has almost no effect on speed since those lines are not dropping. Stuff like this looks perfectly flat to me: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2091427&pbp_id=5864514

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Same here. Flat as a board: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2091427&pbp_id=5862341

Those looks pretty flat to me too, in the second one he's a pixel faster in the first straitaway that he is in the last, but totally flat in the last straitaway. The ones I posted you can see the tailing in the final straitaway. How many points does the guy in your replay lose in the final straitaway?

Originally posted by

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Using minimized windows, the OP link does drop during the course of the play but just fractionally. There's hardly anything there, so if that's energy taking effect then energy loss must have almost no effect on attributes.

Yeah it's not much, and it really can't matter much since everybody is losing energy on the play, unless there is a massive stamina disparity it's a wash.

Originally posted by jetsown09
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=2963972&page=43#25480689

Originally posted by Bort

Also, you CAN lose speed in the middle of a play by getting tired. Energy and morale are a constantly updating factor; they do not just get applied at the beginning of the play. Otherwise, skills like snarl wouldn't affect the other player, etc.

Fair enough, according to Bort I'm wrong. That said, we still have examples of guys apparently losing no speed over the course of a play despite losing significant energy. And even the ones who do lose speed don't lose much at all, so it's not something to worry about.

Originally posted by jdbolick

Fair enough, according to Bort I'm wrong. That said, we still have examples of guys apparently losing no speed over the course of a play despite losing significant energy. And even the ones who do lose speed don't lose much at all, so it's not something to worry about.


True, true. I didn't lean either way on this argument, I just found this Bort quote randomly and I remembered this thread so I posted it here.

Gotta be honest here, unless those return men start the return already gassed I wouldn't expect them to slow down - it's too short of a run. I'd expect they'd have lower top end speed through successive returns in the game though - but not slow down during any one return.