Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Deathblade
And I'm sure all 3 of you are happy with gameplanning being a full time job.

This suggestion would make my job easier. I could more easily do what is trivial in the real game instead of trying to find a way to play our team more effectively with all these limitations. I don't really want to see this lead to more specialized builds that aren't realistic so it should have a catch that limits energy options or something. The issue I want to address is having 2 equal talents at 1 position while at another position there's more of a difference in skills. All in all, I want to have control more in line with what's available in the real world.
I've got it! Have down specific abilities reduced by a certain amount if the force starters is enabled for that position. That should help reduce players built to exploit more granular force starter options.

Originally posted by Deathblade
the more you argue about how much it doesnt change anything the more useless the suggestion becomes

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Originally posted by Deathblade
1st, no, that isn't what trolling is

2nd, my post wasnt worthless, you just didnt agree with it

how is that 1st quote anything but trolling? does it provide info? no

so troll on.

Originally posted by Guppy, Inc
how would that be different than currently forcing all starters like it currently is? its not the ability to force a starter based on situation. so the same player would be forced whether it is 3rd and 1 and 3rd and 15. so i dont see the need to be recruiting 3rd down specialists because those same players will be playing other downs too.

Originally posted by Deathblade
the more you argue about how much it doesnt change anything the more useless the suggestion becomes

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Originally posted by Guppy, Inc
why dont you just answer questions instead of trolling. i asked you a serious question

If you're not forcing on situation you would most likely be forcing the same groups together that you already are, therefore, more useless.

On the other hand, if you are allowing more situational forcings you are creating more wrinkles that the opposition has to respond too, which imposes the options on everybody.

So we can either leave it where it is, have an option that nobody uses, or dump more work on coordinators who are already retiring because the work load in sapping all the fun out of it.

If the people who have the time, desire, and wherewithal to use options like this get what they want, they will find themselves coordinating in ghost towns. The lack of parity in the pro's isn't due to a lack of good dots, its due to the fact that each league has maybe ten guys total who know how to play the game.

TBH this suggestion has nothing to do with being a DC. It is all about forcing your pass rushing DEs on 3rd down if I read it correctly. I.e. it is all about asking for a custom slot for DEs without asking for it since it is on the NGTH list I believe. People now force starters to get their pass rushing DEs on the field on 3rd down, but the problem is this puts your other starters on the field as well, which can mess up stamina and playing time. This suggestion is a way of getting around that.

There is really no offensive position of note that doesn't already have custom slots. What, are you going to force pass blocking OTs on 3rd down? Most people pass on every down at some point or another. Are you trying to force coverage CBs? Just make them CBs 3-5 then adjust the man assignments in the DPC to get them where you want them. No, this is all about the DEs. The DEs built like CBs are getting pancaked a lot more and people want to be able to mitigate this.

Originally posted by Guppy, Inc
how is that 1st quote anything but trolling? does it provide info? no

so troll on.

Does the quoted post provide info? No.

So troll on.

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Originally posted by tpaterniti
TBH this suggestion has nothing to do with being a DC. It is all about forcing your pass rushing DEs on 3rd down if I read it correctly. I.e. it is all about asking for a custom slot for DEs without asking for it since it is on the NGTH list I believe. People now force starters to get their pass rushing DEs on the field on 3rd down, but the problem is this puts your other starters on the field as well, which can mess up stamina and playing time. This suggestion is a way of getting around that.

There is really no offensive position of note that doesn't already have custom slots. What, are you going to force pass blocking OTs on 3rd down? Most people pass on every down at some point or another. Are you trying to force coverage CBs? Just make them CBs 3-5 then adjust the man assignments in the DPC to get them where you want them. No, this is all about the DEs. The DEs built like CBs are getting pancaked a lot more and people want to be able to mitigate this.

you say its about forcing your pass rushing DE's on 3rd down, what happens if its 3rd and short, and you're facing a run? Custom DE slots allow you to use custom DE's in specific down and distance situations 3rd and long, 4th and short. Forcing starters by position using the basic settings... not the advanced AI, will not allow you any bonus to using pass rushing DE's in all situations.

you are over analyzing the suggestion. There is a bonus, and a penalty to this if you choose to use it. This suggestion is NOT touching the advanced AI.

-1 Its strategic, not convenient.

Originally posted by tpaterniti
TBH this suggestion has nothing to do with being a DC. It is all about forcing your pass rushing DEs on 3rd down if I read it correctly. I.e. it is all about asking for a custom slot for DEs without asking for it since it is on the NGTH list I believe. People now force starters to get their pass rushing DEs on the field on 3rd down, but the problem is this puts your other starters on the field as well, which can mess up stamina and playing time. This suggestion is a way of getting around that.

There is really no offensive position of note that doesn't already have custom slots. What, are you going to force pass blocking OTs on 3rd down? Most people pass on every down at some point or another. Are you trying to force coverage CBs? Just make them CBs 3-5 then adjust the man assignments in the DPC to get them where you want them. No, this is all about the DEs. The DEs built like CBs are getting pancaked a lot more and people want to be able to mitigate this.

there is no way of knowing what 3rd downs you will need, and you already have the ability to force your entire pass defense onto the field. this is more about when you have 5 positions where the starter/backup are virtually the same, and it doesnt matter which is on the field, whereas the other 6 spots, the backup isnt as good, and you want those starters on the field. this isnt about forcing starters from inside the AI.

What team are you on where the backup isn't as good as the starter in every position?

But again...

Originally posted by bhall43
-1 Its strategic, not convenient.

Forcing starters is in there for a team wide strategy, not for individualization.

Originally posted by bhall43
What team are you on where the backup isn't as good as the starter in every position?

teams that arent planned from day 1. there's quite a few teams where i wonder why certain players were signed at all, and the answer is always "he was the best i could find". not every team was planned down to the last detail. in fact, i'd say that most non network teams fit this criteria.

Originally posted by Guppy, Inc
Originally posted by tpaterniti

TBH this suggestion has nothing to do with being a DC. It is all about forcing your pass rushing DEs on 3rd down if I read it correctly. I.e. it is all about asking for a custom slot for DEs without asking for it since it is on the NGTH list I believe. People now force starters to get their pass rushing DEs on the field on 3rd down, but the problem is this puts your other starters on the field as well, which can mess up stamina and playing time. This suggestion is a way of getting around that.

There is really no offensive position of note that doesn't already have custom slots. What, are you going to force pass blocking OTs on 3rd down? Most people pass on every down at some point or another. Are you trying to force coverage CBs? Just make them CBs 3-5 then adjust the man assignments in the DPC to get them where you want them. No, this is all about the DEs. The DEs built like CBs are getting pancaked a lot more and people want to be able to mitigate this.

there is no way of knowing what 3rd downs you will need, and you already have the ability to force your entire pass defense onto the field. this is more about when you have 5 positions where the starter/backup are virtually the same, and it doesnt matter which is on the field, whereas the other 6 spots, the backup isnt as good, and you want those starters on the field. this isnt about forcing starters from inside the AI.

Precisely

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