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Originally posted by All American Dude
Ignore Bloodfart. He's just a random guy who ran like hell from the Pro leagues yet has a super strong sense of false accomplishment.
Make it easier to trade I thought this was the OP not attack each other
I liked trading for cash sure it had its ups and downs but teams could get a good deal on some fairly decent players in a fire sale.True it had some jerks but it worked 65/45 % of the time compared to the way it is now.I say just kill it off now as it just sucks bad and doesnt help anyone really anymore.
Ignore Bloodfart. He's just a random guy who ran like hell from the Pro leagues yet has a super strong sense of false accomplishment.
Make it easier to trade I thought this was the OP not attack each other
I liked trading for cash sure it had its ups and downs but teams could get a good deal on some fairly decent players in a fire sale.True it had some jerks but it worked 65/45 % of the time compared to the way it is now.I say just kill it off now as it just sucks bad and doesnt help anyone really anymore.
Originally posted by All American Dude
Originally posted by yello1
Its not a ridiculous statement. Supply by definition of economics rule of Supply and Demand, in which context I used the word, includes all of the existing players.
Seriously? DTs, O-linemen, TEs, FBs, LBs, FS, SS are in high demand by everyone. QBs, HBs, returners (especially CB), K are a dime a dozen. I don't think you understand how supply and demand works. When everyone has the same commodity and everyone needs the same commodity there is going to be a drastic shortage of that commodity. The commodity can only meet full demand by finding a way to produce more of that commodity. If not, some will simply have to do without. Trading players doesn't produce anything. Teams that have plenty of the commodity in demand (high demand dots) are not going to let go of them. Teams that do not will have to compete with one another for the few high demand dots that are available in the offseason.
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YOU may not trade them but I will flat out guarrantee you that some would . If there was a way to do it with player okay, inside the 20 day window, and there was an advertising system ala the Free Agent Market people would trade, and I dare say it would see alot of use in the off season as people sign free agents and lose people and see their needs shifting day to day.
Based on what? That Trading Block forum that is overrun with activity?
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As for your notion that no one cares about the broken system we have now why make a new system, does that really make sense??? No one uses it because its broken is not a compelling reason to not fix it and improve it. Those people not using a broken system might use a fixed and improved one.
The only way trades would be relevant is if the demand for certain types of players was not as extreme is it is now and a draft was implemented. A draft is NGTH and is useless anyway because this is a MMO. You like to make guarantees? I will make you a guarantee that you can bet your last dollar on. The draft pool would be populated by nothing but horrible dots that no team worth a flip would want. It would just be the have-nots fighting over terrible dots. Sound familiar? It should since this is currently what we have in place. In other words, a buff to trading and a draft would not change a damn thing.
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But I think it would be a good thing whenever it did make it into the to do list.
Which will be never unless Bort suffers some kind of serious head trauma.
The Trade Forum is too remote. The Trade system would benefit from a dedicated tab and automated system on the main page the same way the Free Agent market did from the Ad system.
As for the high demand no way it would work angle, thats over simplification. Locally there may be an excess on a team for whatever reason. And thats all thats needed for a deal to happen. And the very fact that there IS a high demand means that the leverage, the Demand as it were, for those positions is there to make sure trades will occur. You just have to build a system that is flexible enough to let them be properly negotiated and priced.
For a quick example, just glancing at one of my leagues. The Oakland Suppressors in APro have four Tight Ends but only three Guards. Now one of his TEs is a blocker and old, will be going into decline. With a functional trade system maybe someone would have sent him a Guard for that Tight end. Or maybe a Guard and a minor league Tight End. Surely there is some price where he would have sold that essentially extra tight end. And given that many other teams in that league and all leagues at that level only have two tight ends, that price surely is going to be ponied up by someone - IF there was a system to let them find the extra and make a flexible offer to make it work.
And everybody wins. The fourth TE on the oakland team gets more play time someplace else. And the Oakland team gets a deeper farm system and O Line bench and the other owner gets to stop pulling his hair out trying to find a Tight End free agent.
The same thing would be true all around the leagues and up and down the roster positions. All it would take is a workable system, advertising that system, and then it becoming a trend to work trades into the GLB owners tool box because once it starts happening, its going to start happening more often.
Originally posted by yello1
Its not a ridiculous statement. Supply by definition of economics rule of Supply and Demand, in which context I used the word, includes all of the existing players.
Seriously? DTs, O-linemen, TEs, FBs, LBs, FS, SS are in high demand by everyone. QBs, HBs, returners (especially CB), K are a dime a dozen. I don't think you understand how supply and demand works. When everyone has the same commodity and everyone needs the same commodity there is going to be a drastic shortage of that commodity. The commodity can only meet full demand by finding a way to produce more of that commodity. If not, some will simply have to do without. Trading players doesn't produce anything. Teams that have plenty of the commodity in demand (high demand dots) are not going to let go of them. Teams that do not will have to compete with one another for the few high demand dots that are available in the offseason.
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YOU may not trade them but I will flat out guarrantee you that some would . If there was a way to do it with player okay, inside the 20 day window, and there was an advertising system ala the Free Agent Market people would trade, and I dare say it would see alot of use in the off season as people sign free agents and lose people and see their needs shifting day to day.
Based on what? That Trading Block forum that is overrun with activity?
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As for your notion that no one cares about the broken system we have now why make a new system, does that really make sense??? No one uses it because its broken is not a compelling reason to not fix it and improve it. Those people not using a broken system might use a fixed and improved one.
The only way trades would be relevant is if the demand for certain types of players was not as extreme is it is now and a draft was implemented. A draft is NGTH and is useless anyway because this is a MMO. You like to make guarantees? I will make you a guarantee that you can bet your last dollar on. The draft pool would be populated by nothing but horrible dots that no team worth a flip would want. It would just be the have-nots fighting over terrible dots. Sound familiar? It should since this is currently what we have in place. In other words, a buff to trading and a draft would not change a damn thing.
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But I think it would be a good thing whenever it did make it into the to do list.
Which will be never unless Bort suffers some kind of serious head trauma.
The Trade Forum is too remote. The Trade system would benefit from a dedicated tab and automated system on the main page the same way the Free Agent market did from the Ad system.
As for the high demand no way it would work angle, thats over simplification. Locally there may be an excess on a team for whatever reason. And thats all thats needed for a deal to happen. And the very fact that there IS a high demand means that the leverage, the Demand as it were, for those positions is there to make sure trades will occur. You just have to build a system that is flexible enough to let them be properly negotiated and priced.
For a quick example, just glancing at one of my leagues. The Oakland Suppressors in APro have four Tight Ends but only three Guards. Now one of his TEs is a blocker and old, will be going into decline. With a functional trade system maybe someone would have sent him a Guard for that Tight end. Or maybe a Guard and a minor league Tight End. Surely there is some price where he would have sold that essentially extra tight end. And given that many other teams in that league and all leagues at that level only have two tight ends, that price surely is going to be ponied up by someone - IF there was a system to let them find the extra and make a flexible offer to make it work.
And everybody wins. The fourth TE on the oakland team gets more play time someplace else. And the Oakland team gets a deeper farm system and O Line bench and the other owner gets to stop pulling his hair out trying to find a Tight End free agent.
The same thing would be true all around the leagues and up and down the roster positions. All it would take is a workable system, advertising that system, and then it becoming a trend to work trades into the GLB owners tool box because once it starts happening, its going to start happening more often.
people aren't going to agree to trade young players for old ones especially with no guarantee the player will still be around when the time comes that they are needed. no good owner would even remotely want this type of trading system it is just more chrome or fluff as you say and isn't needed or wanted.
Originally posted by hatchman
people aren't going to agree to trade young players for old ones especially with no guarantee the player will still be around when the time comes that they are needed. no good owner would even remotely want this type of trading system it is just more chrome or fluff as you say and isn't needed or wanted.
Depends on how long of a contract they are signed to. If they have a two or three season deal and are that close to the big leagues then those two guys in the pros down the road may be worth the season of an extra guy now. Especially to a team that thinks it can contend without the guy now, or that even with him they wont contend now. It happens in real life, there is no reason not to expect it to be a possibility in a game.
And remember, the minor leaguer has to okay the deal. So the presumption is there he wants to come to your team. And one of my sub ideas above is that you could make an acceptance of an offer part of the deal, meaning that the minor leaguer signing a longer contract with you would be a contingency of the trade. That might be awkward though both dev wise and negotating wise.
And even if its a longer term gamble, the fact is that often times when you get a guy in your farm system, he sticks. So just the chance to get them there and woo them may be a deal sweetener that makes the trade happen.
But why spend so much time telling people what they will never do. Why not admit that its a possibility and build a system for people to explore those possibilities?
And its a tad more substantial than chrome or fluff. It goes to improving the core of the game which is team building in a fairly significant way. It would improve the socialization and in general make the game more interesting. Its not fixing a major bug or correcting a simulation wrecking stupidity. But its more than just pure chrome. Its medium to low priority stuff, but more than chrome.
people aren't going to agree to trade young players for old ones especially with no guarantee the player will still be around when the time comes that they are needed. no good owner would even remotely want this type of trading system it is just more chrome or fluff as you say and isn't needed or wanted.
Depends on how long of a contract they are signed to. If they have a two or three season deal and are that close to the big leagues then those two guys in the pros down the road may be worth the season of an extra guy now. Especially to a team that thinks it can contend without the guy now, or that even with him they wont contend now. It happens in real life, there is no reason not to expect it to be a possibility in a game.
And remember, the minor leaguer has to okay the deal. So the presumption is there he wants to come to your team. And one of my sub ideas above is that you could make an acceptance of an offer part of the deal, meaning that the minor leaguer signing a longer contract with you would be a contingency of the trade. That might be awkward though both dev wise and negotating wise.
And even if its a longer term gamble, the fact is that often times when you get a guy in your farm system, he sticks. So just the chance to get them there and woo them may be a deal sweetener that makes the trade happen.
But why spend so much time telling people what they will never do. Why not admit that its a possibility and build a system for people to explore those possibilities?
And its a tad more substantial than chrome or fluff. It goes to improving the core of the game which is team building in a fairly significant way. It would improve the socialization and in general make the game more interesting. Its not fixing a major bug or correcting a simulation wrecking stupidity. But its more than just pure chrome. Its medium to low priority stuff, but more than chrome.
Edited by yello1 on Jan 12, 2012 22:30:15
Edited by yello1 on Jan 12, 2012 22:24:12
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I'm amazed I bothered to read all of this....
AllAmericanDude - Do you ever get outside your freaking ego to consider anything? Or you just shut it all down and because you are such a freaking guru everybody should stop and listen to you...? and that includes the little "hatchlings" that run after you and eat your crap like its gold then clap like mad...
There was a place for trading in this game... In the original teams I ran, and a whole heap I Gm'ed we traded for heaps of players... not to screw people over, but because sometimes people were not happy with their roles on some teams... I got to know a ton of good agents and good people that way.. its what made the game FUN..
Yes we had to trade exploit for cash due to insane equipment costs, and yes there were people who exploited the trade function like they exploited the I-formation at one point...
Personally.. I dont think trading will work anymore because GLB has shrunk down to the same old guys just using up their Flex points... teams are generally made up of guys who have known each other for ages.. Until new blood starts playing this game, it may be a moot point...
BUT...
I also think Yello has a lot of good points.. and it may be worthwhile for those of us left to consider and build on that to try and make this game as much fun as it was in the beginning...this game should be about socializing and meeting people you didnt know before..
But nobody can do that.. you'd rather be the Real Housewives of GLB...
AllAmericanDude - Do you ever get outside your freaking ego to consider anything? Or you just shut it all down and because you are such a freaking guru everybody should stop and listen to you...? and that includes the little "hatchlings" that run after you and eat your crap like its gold then clap like mad...
There was a place for trading in this game... In the original teams I ran, and a whole heap I Gm'ed we traded for heaps of players... not to screw people over, but because sometimes people were not happy with their roles on some teams... I got to know a ton of good agents and good people that way.. its what made the game FUN..
Yes we had to trade exploit for cash due to insane equipment costs, and yes there were people who exploited the trade function like they exploited the I-formation at one point...
Personally.. I dont think trading will work anymore because GLB has shrunk down to the same old guys just using up their Flex points... teams are generally made up of guys who have known each other for ages.. Until new blood starts playing this game, it may be a moot point...
BUT...
I also think Yello has a lot of good points.. and it may be worthwhile for those of us left to consider and build on that to try and make this game as much fun as it was in the beginning...this game should be about socializing and meeting people you didnt know before..
But nobody can do that.. you'd rather be the Real Housewives of GLB...
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Originally posted by MV Thunder
Make it easier to trade I thought this was the OP not attack each other
Par for the course. I was actually discussing the topic and someone trolls me without even commenting on the suggestion yet I'm the one that gets pointed at as a troll.
Make it easier to trade I thought this was the OP not attack each other
Par for the course. I was actually discussing the topic and someone trolls me without even commenting on the suggestion yet I'm the one that gets pointed at as a troll.
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Originally posted by Apallyon
I'm amazed I bothered to read all of this....
AllAmericanDude - Do you ever get outside your freaking ego to consider anything? Or you just shut it all down and because you are such a freaking guru everybody should stop and listen to you...? and that includes the little "hatchlings" that run after you and eat your crap like its gold then clap like mad...
There was a place for trading in this game... In the original teams I ran, and a whole heap I Gm'ed we traded for heaps of players... not to screw people over, but because sometimes people were not happy with their roles on some teams... I got to know a ton of good agents and good people that way.. its what made the game FUN..
Yes we had to trade exploit for cash due to insane equipment costs, and yes there were people who exploited the trade function like they exploited the I-formation at one point...
Personally.. I dont think trading will work anymore because GLB has shrunk down to the same old guys just using up their Flex points... teams are generally made up of guys who have known each other for ages.. Until new blood starts playing this game, it may be a moot point...
BUT...
I also think Yello has a lot of good points.. and it may be worthwhile for those of us left to consider and build on that to try and make this game as much fun as it was in the beginning...this game should be about socializing and meeting people you didnt know before..
But nobody can do that.. you'd rather be the Real Housewives of GLB...
What I gathered from your post is "here's my chance to take a cheapshot at AAD even though I agree with him".
Not sure how kicking agents with your team to the curb is making friends.
EDIT: I also find it odd that you make it out as if you have some kind of history with me when I've honestly never heard of you before that post.
Edited by All American Dude on Jan 13, 2012 01:56:42
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Dude.. "history"? please... what are you.. a chick?
You've been a forum squatter for as long as I've player this game.. in this incarnation and the last (and the other one, I assume you were before that). You incite some of the other rabble who take your lead because you at least can verbalise a bit...
All I'm saying is back the hell off of some guy who is making SUGGESTIONS,,, in a SUGGESTION forum...
Yes I agree with your point of view, but the way you attack people that dont agree with you ALMIGHTY point is what I think makes you a dick...
I'm not worried about going toe to toe with you either in real life or in banter... but the point is its so tiresome..
Let people talk... try to contribute instead of just cutting ideas down.
PS: if you want a serious answer to your question... I "kicked" the idiot agents, guys who could build but had shitty attitudes that I didnt want around.... More than a few guys were moved because they wanted to play in USA when they got to a certain level or got offers from PRO teams etc... or wanted more gametime.. in fact I'm friends with most of the remaining agents to this day.... even though I left for a while
You've been a forum squatter for as long as I've player this game.. in this incarnation and the last (and the other one, I assume you were before that). You incite some of the other rabble who take your lead because you at least can verbalise a bit...
All I'm saying is back the hell off of some guy who is making SUGGESTIONS,,, in a SUGGESTION forum...
Yes I agree with your point of view, but the way you attack people that dont agree with you ALMIGHTY point is what I think makes you a dick...
I'm not worried about going toe to toe with you either in real life or in banter... but the point is its so tiresome..
Let people talk... try to contribute instead of just cutting ideas down.
PS: if you want a serious answer to your question... I "kicked" the idiot agents, guys who could build but had shitty attitudes that I didnt want around.... More than a few guys were moved because they wanted to play in USA when they got to a certain level or got offers from PRO teams etc... or wanted more gametime.. in fact I'm friends with most of the remaining agents to this day.... even though I left for a while
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Originally posted by Apallyon
Dude.. "history"? please... what are you.. a chick?
When you run past the trolls and make a beeline for me I can only assume you have some kind of issue with me.
Originally posted by
You've been a forum squatter for as long as I've player this game.. in this incarnation and the last (and the other one, I assume you were before that). You incite some of the other rabble who take your lead because you at least can verbalise a bit...
What the fuck are you talking about? I gave my opinion as to why I thought the suggestion was a bad idea. Who the hell did I incite?
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All I'm saying is back the hell off of some guy who is making SUGGESTIONS,,, in a SUGGESTION forum...
All I am saying is wat? No really, you've only made two posts in this forum in the last 90 days (I checked) and both were rushing to the defense of yello. Pretty odd coincidence, tbh.
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Yes I agree with your point of view, but the way you attack people that dont agree with you ALMIGHTY point is what I think makes you a dick...
Pretty sure I've only "attacked" two people that came into this thread with the sole purpose of trolling me. Disagreeing and attacking someone are not the same thing.
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I'm not worried about going toe to toe with you either in real life or in banter... but the point is its so tiresome..
Did you just challenge me to a fight IRL? lol
Originally posted by
Let people talk... try to contribute instead of just cutting ideas down.
Ohhh, I get it. They are entitled to their opinions but I'm not. gotcha lord and master of the internet
Dude.. "history"? please... what are you.. a chick?
When you run past the trolls and make a beeline for me I can only assume you have some kind of issue with me.
Originally posted by
You've been a forum squatter for as long as I've player this game.. in this incarnation and the last (and the other one, I assume you were before that). You incite some of the other rabble who take your lead because you at least can verbalise a bit...
What the fuck are you talking about? I gave my opinion as to why I thought the suggestion was a bad idea. Who the hell did I incite?
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All I'm saying is back the hell off of some guy who is making SUGGESTIONS,,, in a SUGGESTION forum...
All I am saying is wat? No really, you've only made two posts in this forum in the last 90 days (I checked) and both were rushing to the defense of yello. Pretty odd coincidence, tbh.
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Yes I agree with your point of view, but the way you attack people that dont agree with you ALMIGHTY point is what I think makes you a dick...
Pretty sure I've only "attacked" two people that came into this thread with the sole purpose of trolling me. Disagreeing and attacking someone are not the same thing.
Originally posted by
I'm not worried about going toe to toe with you either in real life or in banter... but the point is its so tiresome..
Did you just challenge me to a fight IRL? lol
Originally posted by
Let people talk... try to contribute instead of just cutting ideas down.
Ohhh, I get it. They are entitled to their opinions but I'm not. gotcha lord and master of the internet
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LOLl glad you're checking..
I dont bother in the main forums as its littered with nonsense.. thought I made that clear in the first post...
I've been gone for more than a few seasons as this game got boring as HELL.. and there were others more interesting.. came back and re-founded my team... and am enjoying the people.. the game is still pretty average imo... idea good actual game... not so much. still just an exploit-fest.
I dont know Yello from a hole in the wall.. I just read the posts and dont bother usually.. but it was just sickening to stand by and watch you guys go at him, for no reason....so read of that what you will
I'm not saying you are not entitled to an opinion.. I'm saying you are not entitled to belittle people for theirs because it doesnt agree with yours... goes against being "All American".. woudlnt you say....?
I dont have the time to cut and past cute forum quotes... but read your own post and revisit your comments... I'm giving you credit for being a pretty smart guy.. I'm sure you can figure out what I'm saying without me having to spoon feed you
I dont bother in the main forums as its littered with nonsense.. thought I made that clear in the first post...
I've been gone for more than a few seasons as this game got boring as HELL.. and there were others more interesting.. came back and re-founded my team... and am enjoying the people.. the game is still pretty average imo... idea good actual game... not so much. still just an exploit-fest.
I dont know Yello from a hole in the wall.. I just read the posts and dont bother usually.. but it was just sickening to stand by and watch you guys go at him, for no reason....so read of that what you will
I'm not saying you are not entitled to an opinion.. I'm saying you are not entitled to belittle people for theirs because it doesnt agree with yours... goes against being "All American".. woudlnt you say....?
I dont have the time to cut and past cute forum quotes... but read your own post and revisit your comments... I'm giving you credit for being a pretty smart guy.. I'm sure you can figure out what I'm saying without me having to spoon feed you
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Originally posted by Apallyon
I've been gone for more than a few seasons
Originally posted by
watch you guys go at him, for no reason
Please link where I "had a go at yello".
I've been gone for more than a few seasons
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watch you guys go at him, for no reason
Please link where I "had a go at yello".
Originally posted by All American Dude
Par for the course. I was actually discussing the topic and someone trolls me without even commenting on the suggestion yet I'm the one that gets pointed at as a troll.
wah wah wah is all you little whinners do is cry troll.I was talking about this subject and saw your stupid little snotty post remark and said something simple about you and now your butt hurt and sending me PMs crying.If you cant handle some posts and remarks then you better go hide you big wuss so move along now and stay on the subject and op.
Par for the course. I was actually discussing the topic and someone trolls me without even commenting on the suggestion yet I'm the one that gets pointed at as a troll.
wah wah wah is all you little whinners do is cry troll.I was talking about this subject and saw your stupid little snotty post remark and said something simple about you and now your butt hurt and sending me PMs crying.If you cant handle some posts and remarks then you better go hide you big wuss so move along now and stay on the subject and op.
Originally posted by All American Dude
Par for the course. I was actually discussing the topic and someone trolls me without even commenting on the suggestion yet I'm the one that gets pointed at as a troll.
wah wah wah is all you little whinners do is cry troll.I was talking about this subject and saw your stupid little snotty post remark and said something simple about you and now your butt hurt and sending me PMs crying.If you cant handle some posts and remarks then you better go hide you big wuss so move along now and stay on the subject and op.
next time take a second to read a post before respond and cry
Originally posted by MV Thunder
Make it easier to trade I thought this was the OP not attack each other
I liked trading for cash sure it had its ups and downs but teams could get a good deal on some fairly decent players in a fire sale.True it had some jerks but it worked 65/45 % of the time compared to the way it is now.I say just kill it off now as it just sucks bad and doesnt help anyone really anymore.
Par for the course. I was actually discussing the topic and someone trolls me without even commenting on the suggestion yet I'm the one that gets pointed at as a troll.
wah wah wah is all you little whinners do is cry troll.I was talking about this subject and saw your stupid little snotty post remark and said something simple about you and now your butt hurt and sending me PMs crying.If you cant handle some posts and remarks then you better go hide you big wuss so move along now and stay on the subject and op.
next time take a second to read a post before respond and cry
Originally posted by MV Thunder
Make it easier to trade I thought this was the OP not attack each other
I liked trading for cash sure it had its ups and downs but teams could get a good deal on some fairly decent players in a fire sale.True it had some jerks but it worked 65/45 % of the time compared to the way it is now.I say just kill it off now as it just sucks bad and doesnt help anyone really anymore.
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Originally posted by MV Thunder
next time take a second to read a post before respond and cry
You should follow your own advice, tbh. I was ontopic and not attacking anyone. Someone came into the thread for the sole purpose of trolling me. I responded to them and then you came in here quoting me yapping something about not attacking people. Getting pretty tired of people like you that just lurk around waiting for anything to pounce on me about. You didn't have anything so you had to make something out of nothing.
next time take a second to read a post before respond and cry
You should follow your own advice, tbh. I was ontopic and not attacking anyone. Someone came into the thread for the sole purpose of trolling me. I responded to them and then you came in here quoting me yapping something about not attacking people. Getting pretty tired of people like you that just lurk around waiting for anything to pounce on me about. You didn't have anything so you had to make something out of nothing.
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