Originally posted by The Greatest DTD
That isn't really the point of Pee Wee...If we wanted to figure out how to stop overpowered SAs we would join the higher levels of GLB. Pee Wee was not originally created for SAs to make or break games...All we want is for it to go back how it used to be where SAs were there but they didn't mean so much to the outcome of the game.
Again, EVERYTHING is going to work next season, it is going to be a lot more tricking dots where to be than ever before.
Originally posted by Chysil
while I agree that pump fake and pee-wee seems to be off, what would be a better fix would make SAs have diminishing returns at lower attribute levels, so a QB can't have 20 throwing and 10 pump fake and dominate. But 60 throwing 4 pump fake might be pretty good
You can have a dot with 61 Throwing, 35 Strength, 40 Vision, 25 Agility, and 7 Pump Fake by the first game of playoffs.
Originally posted by LordEvil
Passing boost was implemented in season 13 because in season 12, the entire league wa spassing around 17%
Nothing has changed as far as the SA being better
Just more teams are realizing you can put a lot in it say 6-7 and it's really effective where in the past it was a couple of points in the SA.
If pee wees didn't have SA's I wouldnt be playing. It allows you to be more creative in what you want to build. Nothing is wrong with SAs
Proof that Pump fake does effect your build in a negative way if you negate other areas
The QB with the most on the team is getting out played by a rushing QB with not near as much pump fake. he has a higher passing %. That's what pump fake should be about.
What I do agree with is that it's over powered not by how many times it's called but how many players it freezes up. Now this does need to be changed. I think it can fire as much as it does now but not have the 3 DBs all freeze because chances are not all would be fooled in RL. Especially when you have a deep defender and the player in man coverage. The deep player should not be fooled.
Pump fake started getting out of control because in Season 14-15 I had 4-5 points in it, but it didn't show on the PBP, so no one added it. Then in season 15-16 it showed on the PBP and everyone started to realize why I was getting guys open the season before. But it wasn't until the next season when someone in the PWG forum admitted that he had 8 points in it that everyone started blowing it up, and by then I was already moved on.
Basically, if you put your defenders on 'loose' coverage and give them a shit load of tackling instead of 3:1 vision, you might be able to avoid getting pump faked and the hard hits should be knocking the ball loose from these WRs who are built for speed and catching and not carrying and strength.
I just think that the effect of pump fake should be based on tactics solely: NO fakes should beat someone in loose coverage, fakes should only work on a dot playing medium if there is 'help over the top', dots on semi and aggressive should have bite on fakes easier.
Originally posted by Chysil
the main thing is that the passing boost will make a QB with no throwing actually be able to throw a decent pass. If you are only going to play in pee-wee, than you really don't even need to put points into throwing, which is crazy
Not true, you still need to put points in throwing, because by level 16 you aren't getting much boost at all, and the defenders are rounding out their pee wee builds too.
Problem is, 1 point in Pump Fake on a QB <> 1 point in superior vision. Dots with 9 points in Pump Fake are faking dots with 85 vision and 8 points in Superior vision at the higher levels. Same with jukes and head fakes.
I just think Bort needs to cash out on Pee Wee and give them the level 40 or 72 one and done dots he was talking about doing before DD slapped his wrist and said, "NO! Bad Bort!. The sim isn't designed for Pee Wee, and Catch has blatently told me that they have no intention of spending a lot of time getting Pee Wee a workable sim when 90% of people are playing and spending money on getting to the WL. I don't have the quote anymore because it was linked in my old Pee Wee team forum, but he said it.
And again, it will get worse before it gets better, so get ready.
That isn't really the point of Pee Wee...If we wanted to figure out how to stop overpowered SAs we would join the higher levels of GLB. Pee Wee was not originally created for SAs to make or break games...All we want is for it to go back how it used to be where SAs were there but they didn't mean so much to the outcome of the game.
Again, EVERYTHING is going to work next season, it is going to be a lot more tricking dots where to be than ever before.
Originally posted by Chysil
while I agree that pump fake and pee-wee seems to be off, what would be a better fix would make SAs have diminishing returns at lower attribute levels, so a QB can't have 20 throwing and 10 pump fake and dominate. But 60 throwing 4 pump fake might be pretty good
You can have a dot with 61 Throwing, 35 Strength, 40 Vision, 25 Agility, and 7 Pump Fake by the first game of playoffs.
Originally posted by LordEvil
Passing boost was implemented in season 13 because in season 12, the entire league wa spassing around 17%
Nothing has changed as far as the SA being better
Just more teams are realizing you can put a lot in it say 6-7 and it's really effective where in the past it was a couple of points in the SA.
If pee wees didn't have SA's I wouldnt be playing. It allows you to be more creative in what you want to build. Nothing is wrong with SAs
Proof that Pump fake does effect your build in a negative way if you negate other areas
The QB with the most on the team is getting out played by a rushing QB with not near as much pump fake. he has a higher passing %. That's what pump fake should be about.
What I do agree with is that it's over powered not by how many times it's called but how many players it freezes up. Now this does need to be changed. I think it can fire as much as it does now but not have the 3 DBs all freeze because chances are not all would be fooled in RL. Especially when you have a deep defender and the player in man coverage. The deep player should not be fooled.
Pump fake started getting out of control because in Season 14-15 I had 4-5 points in it, but it didn't show on the PBP, so no one added it. Then in season 15-16 it showed on the PBP and everyone started to realize why I was getting guys open the season before. But it wasn't until the next season when someone in the PWG forum admitted that he had 8 points in it that everyone started blowing it up, and by then I was already moved on.
Basically, if you put your defenders on 'loose' coverage and give them a shit load of tackling instead of 3:1 vision, you might be able to avoid getting pump faked and the hard hits should be knocking the ball loose from these WRs who are built for speed and catching and not carrying and strength.
I just think that the effect of pump fake should be based on tactics solely: NO fakes should beat someone in loose coverage, fakes should only work on a dot playing medium if there is 'help over the top', dots on semi and aggressive should have bite on fakes easier.
Originally posted by Chysil
the main thing is that the passing boost will make a QB with no throwing actually be able to throw a decent pass. If you are only going to play in pee-wee, than you really don't even need to put points into throwing, which is crazy
Not true, you still need to put points in throwing, because by level 16 you aren't getting much boost at all, and the defenders are rounding out their pee wee builds too.
Problem is, 1 point in Pump Fake on a QB <> 1 point in superior vision. Dots with 9 points in Pump Fake are faking dots with 85 vision and 8 points in Superior vision at the higher levels. Same with jukes and head fakes.
I just think Bort needs to cash out on Pee Wee and give them the level 40 or 72 one and done dots he was talking about doing before DD slapped his wrist and said, "NO! Bad Bort!. The sim isn't designed for Pee Wee, and Catch has blatently told me that they have no intention of spending a lot of time getting Pee Wee a workable sim when 90% of people are playing and spending money on getting to the WL. I don't have the quote anymore because it was linked in my old Pee Wee team forum, but he said it.
And again, it will get worse before it gets better, so get ready.
