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Why not give the non-playoff teams a tournament of their own to keep things more interesting?

The reality is human social activity drives teams in this game ... unlike real sports where it's a minor factor for most players. As a result, there will never be absolute balance ... and even in a perfect system handed down from God on High, there's no way to insure that the levels of competitiveness will break down into chunks of 32s or 16s. Indeed, there's a 15 in 16 chance they won't. Someone is always going to "get screwed" - especially at the top levels, where the teams you can't beat don't reliably promote away.

So why not stop treating the lower half of the Nat Pro leagues like they're a bunch of garbage? Give them a less prestigious trophy or a plaque or something to shoot for.

Originally posted by Sarg01
Why not give the non-playoff teams a tournament of their own to keep things more interesting?

The reality is human social activity drives teams in this game ... unlike real sports where it's a minor factor for most players. As a result, there will never be absolute balance ... and even in a perfect system handed down from God on High, there's no way to insure that the levels of competitiveness will break down into chunks of 32s or 16s. Indeed, there's a 15 in 16 chance they won't. Someone is always going to "get screwed" - especially at the top levels, where the teams you can't beat don't reliably promote away.

So why not stop treating the lower half of the Nat Pro leagues like they're a bunch of garbage? Give them a less prestigious trophy or a plaque or something to shoot for.

Three of these teams have full rosters (and they would have been the cream of regional pro, no shame on them at all)
The rest have <45 dots and are not a threat to anybody. I hope the best for them and I mean no disrespect towards them at all, but they won't compete and won't have any fun - and neither will the teams putting 200 on them.

I know for sure that Lisbon asked to be moved down because they won't be able to compete in a Pro League and support wouldn't let them

http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=4262
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=4152
http://goallineblitz.com/game/roster.pl?team_id=933
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=3070
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=618
http://goallineblitz.com/game/roster.pl?team_id=3382
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=1358
http://goallineblitz.com/game/roster.pl?team_id=6446
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=2073
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=5940
http://goallineblitz.com/game/roster.pl?team_id=987
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=5660


also lol@giving out a ymca particpation trophy

It's not a participation trophy. It's winning your event at the Special Olympics . They still have to win and beat the other teams in the same boat. Obviously, it's not as "glamorous" as a full Pro trophy. The idea is to give them something to strive for so they don't feel like the season's over on Day -5.

Originally posted by Sarg01
It's not a participation trophy. It's winning your event at the Special Olympics . They still have to win and beat the other teams in the same boat. Obviously, it's not as "glamorous" as a full Pro trophy. The idea is to give them something to strive for so they don't feel like the season's over on Day -5.


So why not put them in a league where they can compete? Elite/competitive/regular sorting is really the best idea out of all of it but I can see the need for keeping regions intact. Hell I think taking the top 16 teams from each league would still produce some competition that isn't exactly top notch but its a start. The problem is there are a lot of pro teams who would quit if they got demoted to AAA. I had an EEA farm team get demoted from APL and then we went 20-0 (which was kinda cool) and moved back up. I think Nibs gave us the retard of the year trophy, but the point is that we didn't belong in pro and we were a bye week for every team, moving teams down is a good thing....

Because Elite/Comp/Regular sorting is working so well in Regional Pro? It's especially problematic when considering that sorting happens Day 41, and takes the roster into account.

The point of the middle part of my post is that you can't artificially create competitive teams. The # of teams in a conference is locked to 16, and that means that 15 out of 16 times, someone gets screwed. Maybe it's 15 teams getting screwed, maybe it's just one. Someone's always going to be in the league who has a 0% chance of the trophy.

Originally posted by bug03

Three of these teams have full rosters (and they would have been the cream of regional pro, no shame on them at all)
The rest have <45 dots and are not a threat to anybody. I hope the best for them and I mean no disrespect towards them at all, but they won't compete and won't have any fun - and neither will the teams putting 200 on them.

I know for sure that Lisbon asked to be moved down because they won't be able to compete in a Pro League and support wouldn't let them

http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=4262
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=4152
http://goallineblitz.com/game/roster.pl?team_id=933
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=3070
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=618
http://goallineblitz.com/game/roster.pl?team_id=3382
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=1358
http://goallineblitz.com/game/roster.pl?team_id=6446
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=2073
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=5940
http://goallineblitz.com/game/roster.pl?team_id=987
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=5660


also lol@giving out a ymca particpation trophy


these (some of them) are teams that want to be in Pro.............but, like mine, we are here at least 1 season too soon........bad news for the team.
I thought i would be able to fill the gaps in my roster easily.........not so, and the reason is too many good dots (or somewhat good) choose to play on a regional competetive??? that is crap.
I personally do not know what the fix is, but the problems are more than just the league organization........it is players that just want to go to a team with a chance (i.e. regional competetive).
I have a core of guys that have worked to get here, the problem i have, is not being a premiere team, or premeiere coaliiton team, i will have good players, not WL etite types.
NOw, getting here early will make it ugly, and next season, as we might belong, probably be demoted.
anyways, changing the complete structure every couple of seasons, drives me nuts.

Originally posted by evileyez
Originally posted by Rage Kinard

The best may be to just cut down to 4 leagues with each former Nat Pro league becoming a Nat Pro conference


Europe - EEPL conference WEPL conference
North America - USA conference Canada conference
Pacific - South East Asia conference Oceania conference
Atlantic - Africa conference South America conference

this is not bad all things considered.

agreed, I donīt want to see any region go and that seems to be the best solution

something needs to be done and I canīt see keeping 8 Pro Leagues in the future. Just look at Regional and Local Minor, itīs 9 leagues total!!! I donīt know the number of cpu teams or half filled rosters, but thatīs 2 generations of dots and Iīm sure the number is already below the number needed to feed 8 Pro Leagues with dots, not talking about good dots

Originally posted by Rage Kinard

What would be great is if you had 8 National Pro conferences with the old league names (EEPC, WEPC, USPC, etc.) and the conferences rotated leagues. So one season EEPC is paired with WEPC. The next EEPC is paired with OPC.

or just stick with them to build up rivalries with interconf games and league championships. I guess WELP would be pretty pissed after EEPL wins 5 straight golds

hmm .. maybe like a NFL style conference/division and scheduling that changes each season? then even doing a bracket style at the end for ultimate lolPro trophy?

instead of 32 that makes each Pro league - cut it to 16 .. or 8?

Originally posted by dreven
I have a core of guys that have worked to get here,.

Cutting the # of Pro teams in half would also make getting to Pro a bit more difficult, and thus it would mean more when you get there. I am not trying to be insulting when I say this, but getting to Pro in the current game only means you kept a decently built team of 40+ players together until they were 320 - 360 days old.

Devonport has a farm team that just "earned" our way into WEPL by going 11-5 in Regional Pro Elite and losing in the first round of the playoffs. As cool as it sounds to have a Pro farm team, it doesn't really mean anything. I do not feel a real sense of accomplishment (like I thought I would) since I know that we really did not do anything special to get there.

Back in the day, being in Pro or AAA was special because you earned it. Pro promotion required at least a top 3 finish in your conference (and sometimes that was not enough). If cutting the Pro leagues and teams in half gets us back closer o that type of situation, I think it is a good thing, even if some teams have to work harder and may not make it to Pro like they wanted. At least if they do get there, it can be a true source of pride and accomplishment.

[sorry...I know I am not an EEPL person, but this league has the best discussion on this, so I thought I would chime in...]

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
The gut or CPU teams wouldn't still be here if it weren't for the fact they won more games than some of the those level 64 teams who were demoted.

I don't enjoy winning by 70 against level 64 teams or level 72 teams any more than I enjoy beating CPU teams by 200. If a team can sleep walk into a home playoff game, then the top teams in the league don't belong in the same league as the bottom teams.

I'm tired of all the National Pro leagues having teams that can win 13-16 games without changing their AI all season.
Dumping the bottom 3-4 teams in each conference and adding 3-4 Regional Pro teams that are better than the ones being dumped, but are not able to compete with the top teams in National Pro isn't going to change that.

I agree it doesn't change it but you get more blood to come in the upper tier and give those agents a chance to "see" what it is to be on a higher tier league. They may not like it or may like it but its think about the possibility that these agents may put more money into Bort's bank. If these guys don't get the opportunity to at least get a whiff of playing high tier levels what else can they do? Some of those guys might probably quit and move on but those that will like what they experienced might stay on and probably invite others to join. Rage you can post and post in here for whatever its worth but contraction will not help improve the continuing trend of losing agents on this game. Maybe it will help in making it more competitive for the same agents playing this game.

Originally posted by dreven
these (some of them) are teams that want to be in Pro.............but, like mine, we are here at least 1 season too soon........bad news for the team.
I thought i would be able to fill the gaps in my roster easily.........not so, and the reason is too many good dots (or somewhat good) choose to play on a regional competetive??? that is crap.
I personally do not know what the fix is, but the problems are more than just the league organization........it is players that just want to go to a team with a chance (i.e. regional competetive).
I have a core of guys that have worked to get here, the problem i have, is not being a premiere team, or premeiere coaliiton team, i will have good players, not WL etite types.
NOw, getting here early will make it ugly, and next season, as we might belong, probably be demoted.
anyways, changing the complete structure every couple of seasons, drives me nuts.

Whats up Drev, I feel your pain man.. We are in the same boat.. Nagasaki asked to be demoted, arguing we are not ready for the PRO's and the ADM denied my unless I give up money and half the stadium.. No I said to myself, I will take the bumps and prepare for the next season.. Unfortunately, upon arrival, I have heard nothing but restructure, no competition, lack of competition, poorly built players, No game planning till the playoffs, Pro's are a joke, just a bunch of negative talk kinda like the rest of the League forums..

When I started in S5, all I would here about how the PRO's were so tight, you haven't got no say till you reach the PRO's, blah blah blah.. Then in S12 or whenever WL was introduced, it was all about that, "you have no say, how many players do you have in WL?" blah blah blah.. And now half way there, this, nothing but the same, unimpressive crap.. Fellow agents, veterans, dissing agents and peers, with their disrespect.. It's a know wonder why the GLB community is slowly dissipating.. The teams in WL and the top Pro's are slowly retiring and aging, and teams like ours will soon be taking over.. Unfortunately, the top teams have their farm teams coming up, their communities, coalitions, organizations, whatever they call them now and our teams will continue to struggle and find agents and players, and just hold on tightly to the ones we have..

The camaderie that brought me here, seems to be disappearing site wide, and more teams are 1-4 man crews.. Though there are so many great agents abroad, it's always a couple of handful of people that make the experience, well lack of experience disappointing.. I will not leave, because there are still plenty of Agents like yourself and it still has that S5 atmosphere in some of these forums.. Anyway, got to go to work.. I'll be sending that scimmage man..

I apologize EEPL for my A D, lol.. Very interesting thread here..

Originally posted by Plankton
Cutting the # of Pro teams in half would also make getting to Pro a bit more difficult, and thus it would mean more when you get there. I am not trying to be insulting when I say this, but getting to Pro in the current game only means you kept a decently built team of 40+ players together until they were 320 - 360 days old.

Devonport has a farm team that just "earned" our way into WEPL by going 11-5 in Regional Pro Elite and losing in the first round of the playoffs. As cool as it sounds to have a Pro farm team, it doesn't really mean anything. I do not feel a real sense of accomplishment (like I thought I would) since I know that we really did not do anything special to get there.

Back in the day, being in Pro or AAA was special because you earned it. Pro promotion required at least a top 3 finish in your conference (and sometimes that was not enough). If cutting the Pro leagues and teams in half gets us back closer o that type of situation, I think it is a good thing, even if some teams have to work harder and may not make it to Pro like they wanted. At least if they do get there, it can be a true source of pride and accomplishment.

[sorry...I know I am not an EEPL person, but this league has the best discussion on this, so I thought I would chime in...]

EEA got to OPL without a trophy from season 4 to season 13 from Oceania BBB#4. We got promoted by losing in the CCG. Hell we even got to WL in s16 without winning the CCG... Although we benefited from it, I don't agree with it and I don't like it. 8 seasons ago I was excited as a Martha Focker to be in OPL, but that team went up together, the same dots the whole way. There weren't cpu teams in pro. Agents used to talk shit to the owners who gutted because they ruined a good thing. Now people say "Hey man I know how hard it is, I don't blame you." There are less dots, there should be less pro teams plain and simple.

Originally posted by dreven
these (some of them) are teams that want to be in Pro.............but, like mine, we are here at least 1 season too soon........bad news for the team.
I thought i would be able to fill the gaps in my roster easily.........not so, and the reason is too many good dots (or somewhat good) choose to play on a regional competetive??? that is crap.
I personally do not know what the fix is, but the problems are more than just the league organization........it is players that just want to go to a team with a chance (i.e. regional competetive).
I have a core of guys that have worked to get here, the problem i have, is not being a premiere team, or premeiere coaliiton team, i will have good players, not WL etite types.
NOw, getting here early will make it ugly, and next season, as we might belong, probably be demoted.
anyways, changing the complete structure every couple of seasons, drives me nuts.

You didn't do anything wrong and I'm not jumping your case at all, I'm sorry if it came off that way.

Originally posted by evileyez
hmm .. maybe like a NFL style conference/division and scheduling that changes each season? then even doing a bracket style at the end for ultimate lolPro trophy?

instead of 32 that makes each Pro league - cut it to 16 .. or 8?

I like that idea actually.
My only hangup about these consolidation ideas was that we would lose that identity of "CPL"
If there was a Canada Conference... that would still keep us grouped together. Plus playing your rivals twice a season, and playing another entire pro league once per season on top of a few other random teams... that's kind of cool.

Originally posted by Sarg01


The point of the middle part of my post is that you can't artificially create competitive teams. The # of teams in a conference is locked to 16, and that means that 15 out of 16 times, someone gets screwed. Maybe it's 15 teams getting screwed, maybe it's just one. Someone's always going to be in the league who has a 0% chance of the trophy.



There's a difference between 0% chance at a trophy and 0% chance of being competitive though.


Personally, I don't care if the team I have players on or GM wins a trophy or not. I just want the games to be competitive. When my players get stats, I want them to be earned stats. When I am DC for a team, I actually want to have to game plan to try and stop the opposing offense.

I DC'd 3 teams last season.

One went 4-12
One went 14-2 and lost in CCG
One went 12-4 and won silver


The one I had the most fun DCing was the 4-12 team. Each game was a challenge. Each victory was earned, and even the games we figured we would probably lose, we felt we could at least make a game of it and potentially pull off an upset.


The team that won silver, I didn't make a single change to the defense the entire season up until the playoffs.

The one that went 14-2 (Arkadak), I didn't even bother tagging 10 teams. I would get ready to game plan, and then think this is pointless. Why waste my time. The only regular season game I truly game planned for was Eden. I would have game planned for Sofia as well, but didn't have enough time that week. I didn't game plan for Emmaus because that one didn't really matter and I was kind of hoping for Alpha seeding to fall like it did.