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Without a doubt there was an advantage to finding the game 1st. the Alpha testers had an advantage over the ssn1 guys who had an advantage over the ssn 2 guys and so on. Still, ssn 1-11ish, you didn't win trophies because you found the game first. You won them because you likely were in one of the first groups (alpha, ssn 1 or ssn 2) to find it and you were better than the rest of them in your league or caught a couple breaks. Most AA & AAA leagues were damn tough back then, just because they tended to be filled with teams of the same age and with owners/agents that cared. Very few farm clubs were around and ppl honestly gave a shit about winning the trophies.

Now, there are farm teams like crazy and a lot fewer teams care about winning the Gold. Hell, even last ssn, I desperately wanted to win the conf champ game, but wouldn't have been bummed at all if we'd lost the gold game in APL. The ONLY reason I cared at all was for the agents. I just wanted to get here.

and if you reset every 12 seasons, every 12 seasons would matter again, there would be no need for farm teams

Originally posted by GMathiasf
Originally posted by Gart888

by season 4 or 5 slowbuilds (and late boosters) were already overtaking the early builds. the whole "who happened to stumble upon the game first" thing really only holds true for the first season or two.

what? The first season or two when many people hadn't even stumbled onto the game yet. Yah, I guess the players who were here probably had an advantage over the ones that were not. Not to mention that anyone that just found the game in like S3 wouldn't exactly be slowbuilding right away now would they.

But seriously, there was a massive advantage when it came to networking, knowledge, and players for a long time. Shitty S1 builds were still dominating the WL in S11 ffs. That early advantage lasted for a long time.

Not only that. The second the younger dudes started to close the gap, Bort introduced the %age VAs setting us back another 2 seasons.

Originally posted by GMathiasf

But seriously, there was a massive advantage when it came to networking, knowledge, and players for a long time. Shitty S1 builds were still dominating the WL in S11 ffs. That early advantage lasted for a long time.

lol, so jealous

shitty s1 builds weren't dominating WL in S11, the great s1 builds were.

Originally posted by Gart888
the great s1 builds were.

no such thing

Originally posted by GMathiasf
no such thing

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=87163 <------- such a thing.

AAA and AA (to a lesser extent) used to be okay. Both are terrible now. Competitive and Elite capped leagues and WL are the only games I really pay attention to now..

Originally posted by Gart888

shitty s1 builds weren't dominating WL in S11, the great s1 builds were.

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DMP

Originally posted by ImTheScientist
Originally posted by GMathiasf

no such thing

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=87163 <------- such a thing.



DMP

Originally posted by GMathiasf
what? The first season or two when many people hadn't even stumbled onto the game yet. Yah, I guess the players who were here probably had an advantage over the ones that were not. Not to mention that anyone that just found the game in like S3 wouldn't exactly be slowbuilding right away now would they.

But seriously, there was a massive advantage when it came to networking, knowledge, and players for a long time. Shitty S1 builds were still dominating the WL in S11 ffs. That early advantage lasted for a long time.

What?

It's not like there was a massive amount of people in S1 or 2 slow building.

And wouldn't S11 WL be about day 440-480 for season 1 builds? So, season 1, 2 and some S3 builds would be up there. Odds are that a S1 or S2 build would be dominating regardless, right?

Honestly, GM, the only people who had a huge advantage in s's 1-3 were the alpha testers. It wasn't really until S 4 and 5 that slowbuilding really was highlighted and became more the norm.

Sure, there might have be a handful of guys who figured it out real early, but that wasn't anywhere near the norm. And likewise, the influx of agents to the game in S2 and S3 was huge.

But really, my point was about the parity that existed across all levels of the game. When you have leagues and teams that are growing together at the same pace, then you get parity. And that's what we had. There were no morale spirals, or 225 point blowouts (at least not until gutting starting happening in S4 and 5). There were just good games with basic AI's and average at best player builds (by today's standards).

Pee Wee Gold is horrendously competitive

Personally, i think that AAA trophies are decent...mainly because i am biased. I have a silver.

But i was a one man show doing OC and DC (DC had to quit that season and i never even looked at the DAI). So I had to learn the DAI throughout the season. Made a 4 Reg Season loss AAA team win the conference in SA AAA #1, beating an undefeated team in the finals. Promotion to SA pro was a lock, and I didn't gameplan a new defense for the gold. Hardly gameplanned a new offense.

Then I completely didn't do anything once RMoG got to SA pro. I was way over my head and I could not gameplan defense.

But trophies seem lame now that LOLGMs are rampant.

I am liking themz. The tropheez r cool

Trophies mean next to nothing unless they are AAAand gold only (from AAA, obv in pro/wpl they would matter).

Silver in AAA means you failed on a decently competitive stage.

And this is coming from an owner who only has two AAA/AA silvers