Warrior General Games

Originally posted by fallingmercury
The game breaks down at higher levels. Hardly anyone has a reliable running game at 18-25. Until Bort fixes the game it doesn't matter what you do...
We have a winner.


Originally posted by OMGWTF

I disagree completely. Most of the teams who can't run the ball have poorly built HB's, a poorly built OL, or both.

This isn't an attempt to brag, merely to support my view:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=554
The RB is 23, OL between 20 and 23. Got it, now let's look at that competition:

Game 1 - level 20-23 defense: 2.5 ypc
Game 6 - level 20-22 defense: 3.3 ypc

Game 2 - level 16-17 defense: 2.8 ypc
Game 3 - level 17-18 defense: 3.8 ypc
Game 4 - level 17-19 defense: 4.7 ypc

Now, I'm discounting the 4 creampuffs this team beat 396-3 that had average levels in the low teens on D.

So, when facing similar competition, this team averages a hair under 3 ypc. When facing slightly worse competition, they average around 3.5 ypc. And, when facing guys 10-12 levels below then, they run up some great stats.

How, again, does this show you can have a quality running game against similar level foes?

Originally posted by Arles

The RB is 23, OL between 20 and 23. Got it, now let's look at that competition:

Game 1 - level 20-23 defense: 2.5 ypc
Game 6 - level 20-22 defense: 3.3 ypc

Game 2 - level 16-17 defense: 2.8 ypc
Game 3 - level 17-18 defense: 3.8 ypc
Game 4 - level 17-19 defense: 4.7 ypc

Now, I'm discounting the 4 creampuffs this team beat 396-3 that had average levels in the low teens on D.

So, when facing similar competition, this team averages a hair under 3 ypc. When facing slightly worse competition, they average around 3.5 ypc. And, when facing guys 10-12 levels below then, they run up some great stats.

How, again, does this show you can have a quality running game against similar level foes?

Those creampuff victories definitely skewed the overall ypc as well as rush yards and TD's, I would discount them as well.

Unfortunately we're still working on one of our HB's, so it's skewed our ypc average, however it seems that elusive backs tend to disappear more often against superior competition like you pointed out. Power backs seems to have more success against equal or better competition.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player_game_log.pl?player_id=93332

Our closest competition are Tonga (game 1) and The Canes (game 6), this HB averaged 3.7 ypc and 5.3 ypc respectively. We were almost completely un-boosted in the Tonga game where they were boosted (was a good gauge of where we were at).

I appreciate your response though, this is some great dialogue.

First, for GLB, you guys have a VERY GOOD running game. Let me make that clear. I'm making some assumptions on your builds, but my thoughts are that you guys should easily be averaging 4-4.5 ypc against similar competition for a few reasons:

1. solid gameplan dedicated to the run with good depth (ie, tires out the D).
2. solid individual builds (from what I can see).
3. Team on the same page from a tactic and strategy standpoint.

Yet, against similar levels, you are only averaging 2.5-3 ypc. That, to me, says that the original point on it being almost impossible to run on similar competition at higher levels is true.

My thoughts here are that when everyone is level 1-15, there's a lot of specialization on players (esp on D). Some guys are all speed on D with no vision/agility. Others are more balanced but lack speed. Once you get to level 16-17, you can pretty much have a "best of all worlds" defender because things like tackling, jumping, confidence can be capped at 20-30 through training/small investments. This means from like levels 10-16, you can pretty much go all str/speed, agility and vision and make super defenders. If, tackling meant more (ie, no wrap-up erasing low values), it would help. If things like strength meant more to CBs on tackling/covering and speed meant more to DTs, then you couldn't just focus on the 3 items. Still, at this point in time - DL, LB and DB can become elite run stuffers at level 20 and no build for OL or RB I've seen can combat those defensive builds. In essence, there's just not a defensive tradeoff once you pass 15.

Put it this way, if you are a solid build level 20 CB with 20 strength and 25 tackling (set to wrap up), you will consistently be able to tackle a level 20 power back with 65 strength. That, to me, isn't right. It's the same situation when a level 20 NT with 70 strength, 30 agility and 20 speed can easily tackle a 65 speed/50 agility back as he passes the LOS. Why would you spend any points on speed/agility as a DT or strength/tackling as a CB when you really don't need it?

Originally posted by OMGWTF
Originally posted by Viscount

Check out this power HB's build: http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=143990

That's a good example of a solidly-built power back.

My power back is 2 levels higher than this guy. I have equal strength, 12 more speed, 5 less agility. My O-line is all level 20. Barring 1 game against a gutted team, for the season he has 143 rushes, 380.5 yds, 0 TDs. 2.7 ypc is not very good.

In contrast, last season he ran for 2064 yds and 18 TDs, 5.5 ypc. He rarely breaks tackles anymore. I don't know how to explain his lack of success this year.

Originally posted by RayRay99


My power back is 2 levels higher than this guy. I have equal strength, 12 more speed, 5 less agility. My O-line is all level 20. Barring 1 game against a gutted team, for the season he has 143 rushes, 380.5 yds, 0 TDs. 2.7 ypc is not very good.

In contrast, last season he ran for 2064 yds and 18 TDs, 5.5 ypc. He rarely breaks tackles anymore. I don't know how to explain his lack of success this year.


You could just be facing stiffer competition, your line builds could've stalled, defenses could be game planning against the run, etc. There are a lot of factors that can affect your ypc. The HB posted has a good build, but he's played some creampuffs, so don't expect the same results if you're in a tougher conference.

My HB is one level higher yet has significantly higher strength and only marginally lower agility. I think vision also plays into a HB's ability to hit holes as well.

What setting are you running him on?

Um... My team is full of lvl 14s and we play on par with teams in the 20s... In our last game against such a high leveled opponent my power back averaged 5.8 yards per carry... Against similarly/slightly higher level competition he averages well over 6 ypc, and in fact has improved over last years 4.7 ypc to 6.3 despite moving to a tougher conference.

Granted he was shut down in two of the games against much higher level competition (2.8 and 3.3 ypc i believe) but our offensive line was well overmatched, playing opponents over 4 levels higher...

The running game isnt broken. People love to throw that around when their teams cant run well... But believe me, I've seen crappy running teams turn into successful running teams in the span of a few games. You must have overlooked something.

Originally posted by OMGWTF
Originally posted by RayRay99



My power back is 2 levels higher than this guy. I have equal strength, 12 more speed, 5 less agility. My O-line is all level 20. Barring 1 game against a gutted team, for the season he has 143 rushes, 380.5 yds, 0 TDs. 2.7 ypc is not very good.

In contrast, last season he ran for 2064 yds and 18 TDs, 5.5 ypc. He rarely breaks tackles anymore. I don't know how to explain his lack of success this year.


You could just be facing stiffer competition, your line builds could've stalled, defenses could be game planning against the run, etc. There are a lot of factors that can affect your ypc. The HB posted has a good build, but he's played some creampuffs, so don't expect the same results if you're in a tougher conference.

My HB is one level higher yet has significantly higher strength and only marginally lower agility. I think vision also plays into a HB's ability to hit holes as well.

What setting are you running him on?

I run him on hard setting and power settings.

Originally posted by RayRay99


I run him on hard setting and power settings.

You might try running him on combo for a game and watching how he reacts. He's got a ton of speed for a power back, it might make better use of it.

im sorry if i sound like a liar but i was saw the forum of some guy posting his running back and his vision was like 17. and he was averaging like 6 ypc. at level 20

I ran him as balanced yesterday and had 17 rushes for 53.5 yds against a team we are better than. I am doing balanced again tomorrow against a strong team and see how it goes.

Originally posted by Irish_Boxer
im sorry if i sound like a liar but i was saw the forum of some guy posting his running back and his vision was like 17. and he was averaging like 6 ypc. at level 20

that was flames54 that guy is a king min maxer

After reading all that, Ive totally forgotten what the original post was about but here's my thoughts:

Ive got an RB who is back-up on a team that runs the ball alot, so I get a good amount of carries. However, the starter is putting up some amazing numbers so that takes the pressure off me a bit and allows me to tinker with SPs and such.

Basically, I like to add a few points to an attribute when I get them and see if I can notice a difference on the replays.

I originally focussed on speed, then agility and got decent results playing behind a really strong O Line. However, Ive recently started adding points to strength.

I added 2/3 before our last game and all of a sudden I was breaking tackles (something he never did before).

Ive currently got:
52.3 Speed, 39.92 Agility and 29.3 Vision. Strength is only at 23.37, but those few extra points seem to have made quite a bit of a difference. Maybe we'll see after a few more games.

I have what many people would consider a combo back and he's been pretty productive this year. He has 1090 yards and 15 TDs. I run on power but have quite a few points in the elusive SA tree. It's really worked well this year.

At the beginning on the season I ran on combo but that didn't work well. I threw some points into the elusive tree and switched to power running and it's REALLY paid off.