Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Galkuris
Originally posted by PS3

Originally posted by bolstersam


I don't like it too much because I think matching up with teams has a big thing to do with wins. Extreme matched up with the Mustangs well even though they lost to Flathead Just Go Krazy and I am almost sure Mustangs could bea the Krazy. match ups have to come into play at some point.

I do agree that match-ups do matter and some teams seem to just match-up better against some teams rather than others, but in the Extreme case, they boosted right before the playoffs so the regular season results teams had against them were pretty much meaningless.

Um, seriously, what do you think the Mustangs did? BINGO, boosted at the END of the season. Stop thinking the Extreme were so cool for waiting to boost, since a lot of teams are doing that.

They just flat out pwned the Mustangs.


PS: great job on the rankings. I think they will be pretty interesting in a few weeks.

I'm aware the Mustangs did it too, and I'm also aware that my team did it too along with several teams and probably are going to boost late that season too. But there are plenty of teams that partially boosted/fully boosted throughout the season instead of all at the end so it's tough to judge regular season match-ups accordingly.

Just noticed this now. What is the exact formula used? I'm just confused by the fact that we won by 20 and somehow lost a point.

Originally posted by Jed
Just noticed this now. What is the exact formula used? I'm just confused by the fact that we won by 20 and somehow lost a point.

If brings in how "difficult" Your opponents are. So If your first opponent and second opponent are now "shittier" That would mean your not as good as once thought.

I mite be wrong tho.

That makes sense. I think they're both 0-2 now.

Originally posted by GeneralMakaveli
Originally posted by Jed

Just noticed this now. What is the exact formula used? I'm just confused by the fact that we won by 20 and somehow lost a point.

If brings in how "difficult" Your opponents are. So If your first opponent and second opponent are now "shittier" That would mean your not as good as once thought.

I mite be wrong tho.

Nope, that's pretty much spot on.

This actually brings up a point that I always talk about in the NFL regarding tiebreakers.

If 2 teams are tied for the playoffs at 9-7 and one team beat the other, they put the team that won head to head in, but logically that doesnt make any sense.

Each team individually won 9 games against 9 opponents and each team lost against 7. You can't give an edge to one team in the head to head, because that win and that loss for each team are already factored in.

So, not counting the H2H game, the team that won the H2H was 8-7 against 15 other opponents, and the team that lost the H2H is 9-6 against 15 other opponents. So the team that lost the H2H is better in those games. It all evens out in the end and neither team is better than the other just going straight off the record.

In fact, if you had a formula that said both teams had the exact same quality of opponent then they are exactly equal in theory.

Hypothetically let's say those teams played 7 times instead of 1 and one team won all of those games. So let's say now that team then goes 2-7 on the rest of the year, and the other team goes 9-0 on the rest of the year. Then despite the fact that one team beat the other 7 times in a row, those teams are still equal, both 9-7.

Originally posted by runia24
Originally posted by GeneralMakaveli

Originally posted by Jed


Just noticed this now. What is the exact formula used? I'm just confused by the fact that we won by 20 and somehow lost a point.

If brings in how "difficult" Your opponents are. So If your first opponent and second opponent are now "shittier" That would mean your not as good as once thought.

I mite be wrong tho.

Nope, that's pretty much spot on.

sweet.

SO how are the standing effected based on "upset" wins, or winning a game against a higher ranked opponent?

Originally posted by runia24

Feel free to discuss, argue, rant, etc. about the rankings. Week 3 standings will be posted soon after the Week 3 games are completed. Until then, go GLB!

I'm curious how you are computing PP. Will you share it with me/us?

papabear: Basically you gain points if you beat a team that has a higher record, and lose points if you lose to a team with a lower record. It all depends on the number of wins.

k2skier: The formula looks like this: (50w)+(10s)+(PD/2)+ x , where w = wins, s = streak, PD = point differential, and x is the strength of schedule part, which is summarized below.

Team A receives 1 PP for every win from all the teams it has beaten.
Team A loses 1 PP for every lose from all the teams it has lost to.

And that's pretty much what the R24 formula is all about.

when was this last updated?

WOW.... Ummm you just made the game like High School and boring so I quit


No but for real that is a damn good formula!

Originally posted by morgan3
when was this last updated?

About 2.5 hours after the week 2 games were played.

Originally posted by runia24
papabear: Basically you gain points if you beat a team that has a higher record, and lose points if you lose to a team with a lower record. It all depends on the number of wins.

k2skier: The formula looks like this: (50w)+(10s)+(PD/2)+ x , where w = wins, s = streak, PD = point differential, and x is the strength of schedule part, which is summarized below.

Team A receives 1 PP for every win from all the teams it has beaten.
Team A loses 1 PP for every lose from all the teams it has lost to.

And that's pretty much what the R24 formula is all about.

Well it's not the greatest formula in the world. The area of most concern is the PD because 100 pt victories are counted like a whole extra win is. So if I beat a team by 100 pts I'm getting like double value as I do for the fact that I won the game. In a sense, it should all count for zero because any team beaten by 100 pts doesn't even need to be factored in at all. Yes it's fair that every team eventually gets to play that team for their chance at running up a score, but for a short time range early in a season the stats are drastically skewed in favor of teams that played those opponents early.

I'm trying to think of a way that you could change it in the easiest way without having to add a lot more variables or to make it too complex.

Maybe instead of using a random 2 as the thing you divide PD by you substitute the win percent for the team beaten.

So if I beat a team by 100 pts that has 0 wins it won't count, or a team with 1 win at the end of a season it counts very little. But if I beat the Mustangs and they have a 12-4 record at the end of the year, then a 10 or 20 pt victory would count .75 and would be valuable criteria for the formula.

That's about the easiest way I can think of and you could set up an excel sheet so that you just have to input the scores each week and it would do the math for you every time, although I imagine that's probably what you are already using as opposed to doing the math fresh after each game each time.

Originally posted by The Strategy Expert

Well it's not the greatest formula in the world. The area of most concern is the PD because 100 pt victories are counted like a whole extra win is. So if I beat a team by 100 pts I'm getting like double value as I do for the fact that I won the game. In a sense, it should all count for zero because any team beaten by 100 pts doesn't even need to be factored in at all. Yes it's fair that every team eventually gets to play that team for their chance at running up a score, but for a short time range early in a season the stats are drastically skewed in favor of teams that played those opponents early.

I'm trying to think of a way that you could change it in the easiest way without having to add a lot more variables or to make it too complex.

Maybe instead of using a random 2 as the thing you divide PD by you substitute the win percent for the team beaten.

So if I beat a team by 100 pts that has 0 wins it won't count, or a team with 1 win at the end of a season it counts very little. But if I beat the Mustangs and they have a 12-4 record at the end of the year, then a 10 or 20 pt victory would count .75 and would be valuable criteria for the formula.

That's about the easiest way I can think of and you could set up an excel sheet so that you just have to input the scores each week and it would do the math for you every time, although I imagine that's probably what you are already using as opposed to doing the math fresh after each game each time.

Actually, you have a very good point, and it'll be something I'll look into for the next rankings.