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smittdog101
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Originally posted by Veg
smit you cry to much


It's just a suggestion with valid points Veg. You can't see that?

and BTW....it's too. Not to. Grammar school anyone?
Edited by smittdog101 on Mar 26, 2010 20:59:37
 
Veg
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it was tl;dr tbh
 
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Originally posted by coachviking
Valid Point BUT why should the teams that put in the extra work to Recruit and Build up their name be on equal footing with other teams that don't. This isn't Tee ball...it's dotball damn it


You can still separate yourself in the first 30 -35 signings, but I don't think that would be enough for you huh?
 
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Originally posted by Veg
it was tl;dr tbh


Well then you better cite that in your post next time......TBH. Either way. I see that you see it my way just a little...and I thank you for realizing the real potential of this game.
 
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Originally posted by smittdog101
Originally posted by coachviking

Valid Point BUT why should the teams that put in the extra work to Recruit and Build up their name be on equal footing with other teams that don't. This isn't Tee ball...it's dotball damn it


You can still separate yourself in the first 30 -35 signings, but I don't think that would be enough for you huh?


No No it wouldn't...Why do teams that don't deserve to win need a fair shot to win. Work harder...Work Better win. Simple as that.
 
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You gotta plan better smittdog. Always be recruiting. Alpine was bringing in young dots ever since season 9 getting ready for decline which wasn't till 2 years. We always try and bring in new agents, expand our friends and keep an active forum. Cav has been very well respected since he started and i've been trying to keep a WL/USAPL, private forum and main forum presence for Alpine. When people see me PM them about dots or post in their thread, they recognize me somewhat and are more comfortable bringing their dot over.

Always gotta have backup plans and gotta plan ahead in GLB. Can't just go season to season by the seat of your pants. One extra season of plateau would be nice, as well as contracting to 6 pro leagues. Probably won't happen for a couple seasons though.


For teams like yours that didn't really plan for decline and weren't ready to handle turning over part of your roster every single season, it's hard to feel bad. Especially since season1 teams like MEM, Alpine (well season2 but with a lot of season1dots), and all the others, they've been losing entire generations of players the last 3-4 seasons due to age and that doesn't include inactives, guys leaving for other teams, early retirements for flex, etc... A lot of teams have managed to weather the storm. However, it comes at the expense of lesser teams such as yourself. Part of the game is gathering talent. When there isn't as much talent to go around, you need to step up your game that much and that means more than starting to recruit on day 40. Form networks, get some farm teams going, drub up interest in your team, form friendships so when an owner decides to quit GLB for real life reasons, you can perhaps bring some agents into your team network.

When all else fails and you just can't hack it, at least you can merge with other teams who can't hack it. Very viable option.


MEM, alpine, chicago, kkar and all those other teams work tirelessly. Don't think it's easy for us. Alpine's season15 recruiting thread has 800posts in it as of now. That alone will tell you we haven't been just chilling. Recruiting is very difficult for us this season and last season (especially after we demoted from WL). Luckily our agents trust us and new guys step up to bring more dots over which is great. Not many people would be willing to bring MORE dots over after getting demoted (even if it was from WL) especially when their dots are good enough to play on WL teams
 
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Originally posted by smittdog101
CV.....you have had it easy from day 1. Don't kid yourself. I am glad to see some support to the matter. If anyone says that I haven't tried my ass off, then you really don't know what it is like to be the average Joe in this league.

The fact is, retirement is killing this game. The only teams that reap the benefits are the ones that have networks or some sort of title to help them in the recruiting process.

If you read my original post on the topic, you still have the chance to recruit the best agents possible until you reach a certain player count.

If you don't back me on this, then you are just admitting to the fact that you don't want even competition in this game. It all started right here in the Pro league, but I have to tell you that it won't end here unless we do something about it now.

If you are such a hard recruiter CV, then give up your title, your name, and everything you are associated with and try to recruit for the average team that WORKS THEIR ASS OFF. You couldn't do it and you know it.

This game will fall to shambles without a real system set up for parity.

If you gave me your roster and let me play this game. I would have already been in the WL and won a title. I for damn sure wouldn't be back in the Pros. You are just scared that a reasonable solution will make you nothing but average. You have no skill in strategy. You are just a an agent that solely relies on the players to get you where you are.

If the playing ground was evened out just a little bit, I would be willing to bet you would fold your team. Who cares though really. It's all for the betterment of the game......not just to satisfy a mod that does nothing other than talk trash and not back it up. I guarantee an even roster would equal a win to anyone else who knows how to really play this game.

If you think you are that good (and that goes for anyone here), then this whole proposal should not be an issue whatsoever.

The draft is the only way to go. Until then....expect that teams are not going to get what they need and SHUT THE HELL UP.

I agree that recruiting is a way to get an advantage, but you will still have that advantage from signings 1-35. This will prove just how good you really think you are.

This is not directed at you personally CV, but you did bring up the topic, so it's time to face the music bra.


You do realize The day I got a team it was in South America A( where we WON a season 1 title)...True story....than we asked to be moved to USA, because back than it sounded cool. So we went to USA A ( where we won a title to move up) to AA where we won another title To AAA where we won yet again to make the pros. SO we weren't handed anything. We started off in a shit A league and I recruited my ass off to get the best dots in the game. Simple as that. So I earned The name as did the team.

As to the title LOLMOD doesn't mean crap when recruiting and I didn't get it till season 11.

 
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Originally posted by chronoaug
You gotta plan better smittdog. Always be recruiting. Alpine was bringing in young dots ever since season 9 getting ready for decline which wasn't till 2 years. We always try and bring in new agents, expand our friends and keep an active forum. Cav has been very well respected since he started and i've been trying to keep a WL/USAPL, private forum and main forum presence for Alpine. When people see me PM them about dots or post in their thread, they recognize me somewhat and are more comfortable bringing their dot over.

Always gotta have backup plans and gotta plan ahead in GLB. Can't just go season to season by the seat of your pants. One extra season of plateau would be nice, as well as contracting to 6 pro leagues. Probably won't happen for a couple seasons though.


For teams like yours that didn't really plan for decline and weren't ready to handle turning over part of your roster every single season, it's hard to feel bad. Especially since season1 teams like MEM, Alpine (well season2 but with a lot of season1dots), and all the others, they've been losing entire generations of players the last 3-4 seasons due to age and that doesn't include inactives, guys leaving for other teams, early retirements for flex, etc... A lot of teams have managed to weather the storm. However, it comes at the expense of lesser teams such as yourself. Part of the game is gathering talent. When there isn't as much talent to go around, you need to step up your game that much and that means more than starting to recruit on day 40. Form networks, get some farm teams going, drub up interest in your team, form friendships so when an owner decides to quit GLB for real life reasons, you can perhaps bring some agents into your team network.

When all else fails and you just can't hack it, at least you can merge with other teams who can't hack it. Very viable option.


MEM, alpine, chicago, kkar and all those other teams work tirelessly. Don't think it's easy for us. Alpine's season15 recruiting thread has 800posts in it as of now. That alone will tell you we haven't been just chilling. Recruiting is very difficult for us this season and last season (especially after we demoted from WL). Luckily our agents trust us and new guys step up to bring more dots over which is great. Not many people would be willing to bring MORE dots over after getting demoted (even if it was from WL) especially when their dots are good enough to play on WL teams


We have farm teams...we scout AA leagues...we go the extra mile. Hell, my recruiters send me pms about guys that won't be on Monmouth for at least 2 seasons so I can bring them into the forums so they can see what we are all about
 
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This is what happens though. Pro league is a reality check for teams and WL even more so. It's easy to feel high and mighty coming up from the minors through AAA. Teams that thought they were great organizations find far far greater ones to the point where they seem below average. Just imagine. Nashville (who will probably go at least 14-2) got demoted with 3wins in WL last season and mem who dominated last season and will again this season got demoted from WL. If you think USAPL is tough, WL is ridiculous. Especially when you consider how much better Valhalla and Blaze were from every single team. Props to those 2 teams and agents though. They formed 2 absolute monsters. Not only were their builds phenomenal but their gameplanning amazing and they were always ahead of the curve in terms of build philosophy, VAs, aeq, sim mechanics, etc... They definitely deserved their success more than others
 
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Originally posted by coachviking
No No it wouldn't...Why do teams that don't deserve to win need a fair shot to win. Work harder...Work Better win. Simple as that.


Then quit bitching about teams that don't have a full roster. If you can't tell....I am on here 24-7 trying to compete. I do win as well. Let's compare franchise records buddy.
 
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Originally posted by smittdog101
Then quit bitching about teams that don't have a full roster. If you can't tell....I am on here 24-7 trying to compete. I do win as well. Let's compare franchise records buddy.


lets compare usapl playoff wins.
 
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Originally posted by chronoaug
This is what happens though. Pro league is a reality check for teams and WL even more so. It's easy to feel high and mighty coming up from the minors through AAA. Teams that thought they were great organizations find far far greater ones to the point where they seem below average. Just imagine. Nashville (who will probably go at least 14-2) got demoted with 3wins in WL last season and mem who dominated last season and will again this season got demoted from WL. If you think USAPL is tough, WL is ridiculous. Especially when you consider how much better Valhalla and Blaze were from every single team. Props to those 2 teams and agents though. They formed 2 absolute monsters. Not only were their builds phenomenal but their gameplanning amazing and they were always ahead of the curve in terms of build philosophy, VAs, aeq, sim mechanics, etc... They definitely deserved their success more than others


how many Testers and Mods do they have on that team? Enough said. Hence my next argument, but we won't touch that for now.
 
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Originally posted by coachviking

We have farm teams...we scout AA leagues...we go the extra mile. Hell, my recruiters send me pms about guys that won't be on Monmouth for at least 2 seasons so I can bring them into the forums so they can see what we are all about


Yep. Farm teams are valuable not only to get your players max xp but if you treat the farm team like a real team, competing, recruiting and winning games, you bring in new players and then can introduce them to your Pro team. I know i helped recruit for and run Rocky Mountain Caddies and some of the guys i recruited at lvl 30 listened to build advice, liked how we ran things and now some of them are on ALpine. The ones who weren't good enough we help get involved with other well run Pro teams we're friends with. We look out for people and they respect that and our organization.

MEM works tirelessly. Especially seasons 2-6. They were hardcore recruiting all the time setting up their empire. And empires are just as hard to fine tune and maintain as it is to build them. Ask the roman empire.
 
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ITT smit bitches about sucking at recruiting.
 
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Mods/testers don't mean shit. Alpine has zero as far as i know. Hasn't hurt us. QCBC who i work with has like 2lolmods and they don't have any better luck with recruiting. Quit making excuses. You're just not very good at GLB. You're good compared to the other crappy AA-AAA teams but you're just another fly on the windshield of real teams who know what they're doing. Just watch some of the AAA promotees this season. Some will be good (like atkm this past season) others will fall by the wayside and die off. It has been happening even before decline was around. Always 2-3 of the 5-7 promotees gut after the first year


Also, Alpine's main recruiter (scaud) isn't a tester, mod, or even a team owner and doesn't post in the forums much. He's just tireless and does a good job not only bringing in dots starting day20, but also working on getting into younger networks and trying to bring guys into the Alpine family even without players (just to hang out in the forums) and then after awhile we win them over and they bring some dots


Cav, Scaud and myself are the only real consistent forces on Alpine the past 8 seasons too. Seriously though. 800 posts in our season15 recruiting thread. It's a combined team effort and we have great agents who help out. Alpine would be nothing without our agents. Lots have stepped up to play big roles
Edited by chronoaug on Mar 26, 2010 21:35:19
Edited by chronoaug on Mar 26, 2010 21:34:58
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