Warrior General Games

Originally posted by stromstarhammer DTD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrStENrKZa8

THATS WHAT SHE SAID!!!

I'm sorry to both teams that you find yourselves in this situation, that is really tough. Quite important implications to GLB as a whole.

For what its worth, we suspect morale also plays a huge role in games. There seems to be a snowball effect, where plays early on affect the morale, and then it slants the entire game in that direction. I think that can be a big source of randomness.

Of course, who's to say that doesn't happen in real games. The difference is real games never get re-played so we never know. Although I'm pretty sure Brett Favre would've thrown that INT again against the Saints.

I guess we all romanticize the simmed games a bit and hold them in the same regard as real games. Shows that a game can never, ever be re-simmed if we want to hold on to that.

Originally posted by schmick77
Of course, who's to say that doesn't happen in real games. The difference is real games never get re-played so we never know. Although I'm pretty sure Brett Favre would've thrown that INT again against the Saints.

I guess we all romanticize the simmed games a bit and hold them in the same regard as real games. Shows that a game can never, ever be re-simmed if we want to hold on to that.
Bort and Catch need to hear this, because it's sooo true, and it's the reason so many of us are shaken by banana-gate.
I hope this is the last time any game ever gets re-simmed.

Originally posted by stromstarhammer DTD

Bort and Catch need to hear this, because it's sooo true, and it's the reason so many of us are shaken by banana-gate.
I hope this is the last time any game ever gets re-simmed.

IT WILL NOT BE THE LAST TIME A GAME IS RESIMMED! Mark my words. It will happen again and im willing to say at some point it will happen in the playoffs. If it has happened once, the door is open for it to happen again. It may not be this season, but somewhere down the road, this will rear its ugly head again, and in the playoffs

o hai

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgQqSVrkkag

Originally posted by eastcoastbrian
Let's not forget that KC's win streak was at 11 and that the Silverbacks streak was -1...it was how reallascout first knew who won the game. If the SIM hadn't finished I was surmise that those two numbers wouldn't have changed.

And for those who think that a 40+ point differential in total score in this SIM environment is appropriate when two SIMs are run back to back with the variances we saw is appropriate, just remember that when you look at your scoreboxes as the seasons go on. Losing 20-40 means nothing, it means you could have just as easily won....and when you win 35-10...doesn't mean you gameplanned coprrectly either as you could just as easily have lost.

SIM>All

This is how I feel and an excellent post

If it makes either team feel better, there are so many tough talented teams in Canada Pro, that I'm not sure there's a discrepancy between the #6, #7, or #8 seeds. For example, Saskatoon nearly lost to Thunder Bay Wolverines (ended in OT), yet if the playoffs were right now, we'd have to face them. That's a scary first round match-up considering the regular season match outcome, despite us currently having the #2 seed.

Having said that, it's the moral of the thing that counts, so I sympathize with KCG's plight ethically; HOWEVER; politically, if the results were to be reversed, it would set a scary precedent for future re-sims. Because the first match was stuck, the results were corrupted. If the corrupted results were adhered to, KCG would win, but neither team would know the match's results, since it's impossible for the sim to be displayed (right?). That's an injustice to the team who lost who has a right to review their film.

Someone told me this isn't the first re-sim scenario. That older re-sim outcome was maintained. If Bort/Catch/whoever change their mind and reverse the KCG/Saskatoon game, they'd be defying the older match's re-sim precedent and things would only get more complicated. Overall, I sympathize with KCG, but for better or worse, I think the current results need to be adhered to for the benefit of precedent.

I don't think people are calling for a reversal of the outcome, or the process that went through here.
I'm pretty sure what people would like to see from now on is that if a game is corrupted, then the results should not be accessible to anyone, anywhere, ever.

Sure re-sim, but do it in name only. It's not a re-sim if the first game "never happened," that is, no one knows what happened because the game never finished, or the results were not accessible.

Go through the same procedure they did with banana gate, but find a way to hide the results of every game until it is confirmed to be uncorrupted.

Originally posted by stromstarhammer DTD
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Go through the same procedure they did with banana gate, but find a way to hide the results of every game until it is confirmed to be uncorrupted.


EXACTLY! NAIL HIT RIGHT ON THE HEAD!

ReMeDy, had i saw we lost 23-22 and that was it, i would have been like dang, but still knew we were right there and had the shot to kick a FG to win it. Would have learned from it, tried to see what we could do better and move on. Its that we did see the results from the first game, that is what was so hard to swallow. How good did you feel when you thought you lost, then saw the resim and found out you won????

Now put yourself in my shoes, and think about having a win and then finding out you lose. Thats all im saying

Oh okay, yea I agree the score should have been confidential. After all, it makes no sense to show a corrupted score. I'm not sure how the sim works on a technical level, but maybe if players wouldn't be able to see their scores 15'ish minutes prior to the match finishing, there wouldn't be any corruption issues.

Originally posted by ReMeDy
Oh okay, yea I agree the score should have been confidential. After all, it makes no sense to show a corrupted score. I'm not sure how the sim works on a technical level, but maybe if players wouldn't be able to see their scores 15'ish minutes prior to the match finishing, there wouldn't be any corruption issues.

RE, one thing bothers me. You want to keep talking like this game was corrupted in the fact it didnt happen, it did and we also know KCG forced 3 fumbles and had a int. Also we had a plus 1 in our win column and you guys had a loss. So to me that signifies that the match was complete, but had no replays or full data at the end. The fact remains a RESIM never should have occurred.

Originally posted by curtishall06
RE, one thing bothers me. You want to keep talking like this game was corrupted in the fact it didnt happen, it did and we also know KCG forced 3 fumbles and had a int. Also we had a plus 1 in our win column and you guys had a loss. So to me that signifies that the match was complete, but had no replays or full data at the end. The fact remains a RESIM never should have occurred.

Seriously Curtis, at this point you just sound like a whiner man.

It's been 4 days or so since that error occurred, we've all played a game since then and have another coming up tomorrow. It's time to move on man.

Everyone and their mother agreed that it sucked the way things played out. But as your post above clearly shows, you are only seeing what you want to believe. ADMIN clearly stated the original sim froze and never completed (there's a million unanswered questions about what point in the game, time remaining etc.). The game was re-simulated and we won.

You got dealt a shitty hand by getting to see partial (and apparently corrupt) data which lead you to believe you won the game when in fact the game had never been completed. That's life man. Sometimes you work hard, do everything right and it just flats doesn't go your way.

You have two choices here:
1) Keep whining about how unfair this all is and play the victim or...
2) Use this unfortunate situation to rally your troops, focus on winning out and if you meet us in the playoffs, KICK OUR ASSES for ultimate vindication

What are you going to do?